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  Pumuckl71

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Joined: 5/24/12
Posts: 127

10/10/12 3:00:10 AM#61

for me its the mmo cummunity that gets more fucked up year by year (forgive me my french).

be it sandbox or themepark , the online community  is on a constant bitching, complaining and whining  contest.

even the slightest issue becomes a moaning fest.

lets pinpoint it ... the mmo market is fucked because we as endconsumers aka target group are mentally  so fucked

that it  becomes nearly impossible to be creative for Devs.

edit: havent played anything since Xsyon wich has ptential but no $$ backup 

  Kert

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Joined: 1/12/06
Posts: 68

10/10/12 3:03:50 AM#62

A nuclear holocaust/zombie apocalypse/global pandemic setting.

Certainly shouldn't be hard for developers to recreate/copy the Earth. Add some zombies, or nuclear fallout.

Set the players loose with a skill based system, and FPS combat. Watch the carnage.

 

And yes I know about Day Z. While its certainly a great mod, for a sub-par core game. It's not quite a full fledged MMORPG. Kind of an MMO Lite. Intriguing start though... someone needs to take the idea and run with it.

 

As most the other posters have said. Just try and make a virtual world. Stop making everyone the "icon"  or "hero" of the universe and let them play how they want to play. 

 

SW:TOR was the worst for this. I never felt like it was my character. I was just watching the storyline, and occassionally injecting a witty comment into the NPC conversations. Most the time I wished I could kill every one of the whiny, useless, pointless, NPC characters, but knew that even if you could, there would be no repercussions. (Probably why I never hit lvl 50 on a single character)

 

I honestly wonder if these developers ever read a "Choose Your Own Adventure" book? You could make the wrong choice and die. But the beauty part was, you could just start over, and pick a different option.

There is nothing wrong with failure.

For some reason, it's been almost completely removed from modern games.

  Kert

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Joined: 1/12/06
Posts: 68

10/10/12 3:05:11 AM#63

Edit - Double Post

  Simphanatic

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Joined: 9/11/12
Posts: 94

The problem with virtually every MMORPG: too much Pavlov and not enough Maslow.

 
OP  10/10/12 3:40:52 AM#64

I can't help noticing the irony here.

 

Forum-wide, there are literally hundreds of people begging developers for something new and fresh; yet ...

There are many people in this thread who've said something like, "Improve on a game like [insert name] and I will be happy."

 

So, maybe it's the latter sentiment to blame as to why developers keep giving us the same stale bilge.

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In response to the gentleman who said High Fantasy isn't going anywhere ...

 

I adore Tolkien; I've re-read The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings several times. But with these volumes, even without delving into Tolkien's other closely related literary endeavors, you know there's a depth of history, tradition, language, and culture that intrinsically unifies his work. Indeed, we come to understand from Unfinished Tales of Numenor and Middle Earth and The History of Middle Earth that in Tolkien's mind, at least, these were places that very much superseded mere fantasy, characterizing the 'work in progress' nature much representative of the author's thought process. This is certainly not the depth we find in most fantasy based MMORPGs and, for me, therein lies the problem.

 

I've a keen sense that most, if not all MMORPG developers give us elves, dragons, dwarves, goblins, golems, vampires, attack bunnies, and -- dare I say it -- pandas, etc, ad nauseum, not because they further story progression, but because they (the developers) are simply too intellectually uninquisitive or unoriginal to come up with anything else. I'm quite tired of the same cookie cutter, hackneyed story lines featuring the same predictable protagonist classes and antagonist monsters/bosses.

 

For years, until I realized I hadn't the talent, I tendered the notion that I might be a writer. I attended one writing workshop after another, and encountered legions of would-be writers who wanted to write Fantasy. The common thread amongst them was a desire to shirk any effort to understand the world in which they lived. However imaginary the Fantasy genre may be, writers who don't understand the Human condition, who minimize the importance of tradition, culture, and language are doomed to failure. Tolkien knew this, and he was a keen observer and chronicler. Indeed, we can find one parallel after another between the world in which Tolkien lived and the one about which he wrote.

 

My point is, since every developer fails so miserably in adding substantive backstory to their supposed worlds and generally fail in furnishing sufficient rationale as to why our characters engage in those worlds as they do, then please let them find some degree of originality in the real world. And, for God's sake, let them look beyond Wikipedia for background.

  tixylix

Hard Core Member

Joined: 12/02/11
Posts: 1144

10/10/12 3:59:05 AM#65

See for me since after the last MMOs I loved (WoW and SWG) were both ruined by dumb patches in 2005 I haven't stuck to an MMO for more than a a few hours. Planetside 2 is the first one I've been playing for more than a few hours and it's coming along nicely now. I think for the first time ever SOE are doing a proper beta and listening.

  tixylix

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Joined: 12/02/11
Posts: 1144

10/10/12 4:04:04 AM#66
Originally posted by Simphanatic

I can't help noticing the irony here.

 

Forum-wide, there are literally hundreds of people begging developers for something new and fresh; yet ...

There are many people in this thread who've said something like, "Improve on a game like [insert name] and I will be happy."

 

So, maybe it's the latter sentiment to blame as to why developers keep giving us the same stale bilge.

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Probably because what was old is new.

 

For the last 7 years we've been treated to dumbed down casual games with no penalties or loss

  Simphanatic

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Joined: 9/11/12
Posts: 94

The problem with virtually every MMORPG: too much Pavlov and not enough Maslow.

 
OP  10/10/12 4:33:11 AM#67
Originally posted by tixylix

 

Probably because what was old is new.

 

For the last 7 years we've been treated to dumbed down casual games with no penalties or loss

I won't let you get away with such a cheap platitude or silver bullet solution.

 

What was old is ONLY new to those who didn't experience the previous incarnation.

 

And, as much as I enjoy trashing lack of depth and originality in development efforts, I've got to defend developers on this point ... market forces, development costs, and maintenance overhead expenses absolutely dictate that developers follow the money.

 

Developers don't produce casual games and 'dumbed-down' expansions for no good reason. In a 'follow the money' business paradigm they are absolutely mandated to produce products catering to the broadest potential consumer base.

 

I'm definitely unenamored with the recent crop of MMO offerings, but developers are simply following supposed market trends. Were I conceiving a new gaming model, and looking at a venue such as this for guidance, I'd be completely perplexed because I can't identify any measure of consensus. Worse, and this has certainly been taken up in another thread, we can't even agree on a common set of definitions. So, minus any verbalized consensus, developers will most certainly ape contemporary development philosophies. In short, don't look for much pushing of the envelope or a return to reskinned times past.

  tixylix

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Joined: 12/02/11
Posts: 1144

10/10/12 5:45:17 AM#68

I played Everquest, SWG Pre CU, EVE Online, PS and all the old MMOs really and I even include WoW Vanilla in that because that was a good game. Yet I played Planetside 2 and it feels fresh and exciting to me even though it's based on an old concept.  No one has done it since 2003 and so it feels new. Same as if someone made SWG Pre CU 2 on a new engine, it would feel brand new because no one has attempted a game of that scale since again 2003. It's like if someone made a WW2 FPS shooter now, people would most likely love it a lot more than they did 5 years ago because everyone is tired of the same old modern combat COD clone.

People clearly don't want dumbed down WoW clones because all the MMOs have failed that have done that since. Dayz proved that there is a market of at least 1.3 million people who want a more hardcore unforgiving game with PERMA DEATH! I mean who would have thought? The game is on a slide down atm because no content is being added as they're focusing on the stand alone, but when that launches then watch it be the next Minecraft which is also more of a hardcore game because you have to be creative.

Every FPS out there, even COD is a hardcore game if you play it online, you have to be really really good to play those kinds of games. The casual buys a game once or twice a year and doesn't play it much but the hardcore audience comes back again and again. 

It isn't about a game being hard, people like a challenge, I think people get hardcore mixed with a broken buggy sandbox mess. Those games were only broken because they were trying to be too ambitious for the market and hardware they were based on. Now you can make these games with the tech we have and you can also make a profit making these games thanx to F2P, Steam, Minecraft proving you can publish it yourself now on your own site.

The age of WoW clones has died, it died with SWTOR. Dayz really is the start of something new, it proved to everyone that people are willing to buy hard games and SWTOR proved to everyone that making a WoW clone is not acceptable any more.

  tixylix

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Joined: 12/02/11
Posts: 1144

10/10/12 5:47:19 AM#69
Also now we have kickstarter so if someone wants to make a game they want then they can get the backing of the players. I think if kickstarter can prove there is a giant audience for an old school adventure game made by tim schafer and get all th emoney to make it before it's even being worked on by players, then it can kickstart anything.
  Mors.Magne

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Joined: 3/02/07
Posts: 1432

10/10/12 5:58:21 AM#70

WoW - 8 years (stopped playing)

Eve Online - 7 years (ongoing)

Darkfall - 1 year (stopped)

SWTOR - 1 month (stopped)

 

Yes - I've burnt out.

 

What would bring me back? -

> If I had more spare time

> If MMORPGs adopted 3D technology - particularly masks that make you feel as if you are actually there

> Improved AI in PvE

  tazarconan

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Joined: 1/03/07
Posts: 1022

10/10/12 6:44:03 AM#71
Originally posted by Pumuckl71

for me its the mmo cummunity that gets more fucked up year by year (forgive me my french).

be it sandbox or themepark , the online community  is on a constant bitching, complaining and whining  contest.

even the slightest issue becomes a moaning fest.

lets pinpoint it ... the mmo market is fucked because we as endconsumers aka target group are mentally  so fucked

that it  becomes nearly impossible to be creative for Devs.

edit: havent played anything since Xsyon wich has ptential but no $$ backup 

I agree with u .The 2 main reasons all mmo's are so shitty nowdays is the lack of creativity from devs (and their efforts to fast make something and go for fast money),and the community not being demanding enough from their side (i also agree partially about the mentality of our side).

Its just u didnt caught exactly whats happening out there as it seems  :P

  Cuathon

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Joined: 10/24/04
Posts: 2254

Draw Something is now an MMO. God has forsaken us.

10/10/12 7:10:09 AM#72
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by Cuathon
Originally posted by Quirhid
Why do people always blame the games and not themselves?

I would ask the opposite question. Why do people give shitty games a free pass?

Why do people obsess over games they don't like as if they're offended by their very existence?  It is squarely the players fault for not moving on to something else and interesting.  And if you can't find anything interesting with the selection out now I would say it's YOUR problem.  "Boredom sets into a boring mind" and all that.

Anway, Hell no I'm not bored of the genre:

Lineage 3.5 years

Guild Wars 7+ years (and still playing)

LotRO 4.5 years

Tabula Rasa 1 month

EQ2 4+ years (and still playing)

Ryzom 1 month

Vanguard 1 month

WoW 4 - 5 months

DDO 2+ years

Aion 9+ months

STO 6+ months (play periodically)

Guild Wars 2 1.5months (and still playing)

Looking forward to playing: City of Steam, Neverwinter Online, and RaiderZ

 

If you don't like the hobby then find another one.  It's supposed to be about entertainment.  Find something legal that entertains you if mmos have lost their lustre.

I have you wrongly assuming dillhole. In fact if I wasn't busy programming innovative RTS games I would still be playing ATITD 8 hours a day, down from 12 because 12 is too much after a few months. If I had money I would play EvE.

I barely post on this site anymore because I have better things to do.

This doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of current MMOs are shit.

I don't have a boredom problem. If anything I have too much to do. Next time you want to make blanket assumptions in order to bolster your self esteem about how everyone else has problems and you don't, best to make sure you pick someone who is more in line with the straw person you are trying to degrade kk? Thxbai.

  HolySaint333

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Joined: 8/22/10
Posts: 25

10/10/12 9:00:40 AM#73

Burnt out on MMORPG's, yes... Just seems like WoW was the beginnings of me enjoying MMORPG's and none really touched its greatness. Don't get me wrong though, their are so many MMO's these days you can't complain. There is something for everyone and all it takes is doing a little research into what you want.

 

Something that could revive my love for MMORPG's is pretty simply... ( For me at least...)

I would love you see the future of MMORPG's change to a First Person camera perspective instead of the classic view.

This would change the direction of everything that is common in MMORPG's. It would give MMORPG's a new direction in terms of skill. Leading more in the terms of aiming with the mouse and renew peoples love for certain things in the new light with something as simple as the camera perspective. I know damn well that I've always enjoyed Summoning/Necromancer, and it has never been as much fun as Diablo 2 and Elder Scrolls. Of course the mouse wheel for changing spells and a new outlook on the Genre, for myself at least.

 

One more thing... Turn based combat... I just don't think that they use it enough in MMORPG's. Look at the success of Atlantica. It would really help out all those JRPG fans out there, which are probably a big faction of players, to bring back the beginnings of where a ton of RPG's are responsible.

 

If you ask my opinion I'd have to wait for my turn! :)

  Torvaldr

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Joined: 6/10/09
Posts: 6100

10/10/12 11:51:48 AM#74
Originally posted by Cuathon
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by Cuathon
Originally posted by Quirhid
Why do people always blame the games and not themselves?

I would ask the opposite question. Why do people give shitty games a free pass?

Why do people obsess over games they don't like as if they're offended by their very existence?  It is squarely the players fault for not moving on to something else and interesting.  And if you can't find anything interesting with the selection out now I would say it's YOUR problem.  "Boredom sets into a boring mind" and all that.

Anway, Hell no I'm not bored of the genre:

Lineage 3.5 years

Guild Wars 7+ years (and still playing)

LotRO 4.5 years

Tabula Rasa 1 month

EQ2 4+ years (and still playing)

Ryzom 1 month

Vanguard 1 month

WoW 4 - 5 months

DDO 2+ years

Aion 9+ months

STO 6+ months (play periodically)

Guild Wars 2 1.5months (and still playing)

Looking forward to playing: City of Steam, Neverwinter Online, and RaiderZ

If you don't like the hobby then find another one.  It's supposed to be about entertainment.  Find something legal that entertains you if mmos have lost their lustre.

I have you wrongly assuming dillhole. In fact if I wasn't busy programming innovative RTS games I would still be playing ATITD 8 hours a day, down from 12 because 12 is too much after a few months. If I had money I would play EvE.

I barely post on this site anymore because I have better things to do.

This doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of current MMOs are shit.

I don't have a boredom problem. If anything I have too much to do. Next time you want to make blanket assumptions in order to bolster your self esteem about how everyone else has problems and you don't, best to make sure you pick someone who is more in line with the straw person you are trying to degrade kk? Thxbai.

So where are your innovative games? You broadly paint all mmos as poor quality and allude to your quality game as a contrast.  Really?  Where is your quality game?  Let's evaluate it.  Put your money where your mouth is so to speak.

You can be in denial all you want and make monetary excuses, but it's up to the player to use their imagination and creativity in a game.  It sounds more like this type of entertainment isn't for you and less like it's all bad.  That's okay, but blaming everyone else doesn't fly.

MMOS = shit and your RTS = "innovative" because you said so?  Just like anyone else I'll pass on your 'expert' opinion until you can come up with something to support it other than you think you know better than the rest of us.  Your empty criticism is just as useless as when a game marketer hypes their product.  I don't want to hear "because I said so".  I want to hear why and what you think is better.

Curse you AquaScum!

  Cuathon

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Joined: 10/24/04
Posts: 2254

Draw Something is now an MMO. God has forsaken us.

10/10/12 1:08:49 PM#75

I wasn't comparing my games to MMOs or even claiming they will be successful, I was just explaining why I currently don't play MMOs, the reason being a time constraint.

It has nothing to do with my inability to find an MMO I like, I said I would be playing ATITD at this very moment if I had time for MMOs. The money was why I play ATITD instead of EVE, not an excuse.

Let me break it down so that you can't make dumb arguments due to your lack of reading comprehension:

You said:

"If you don't like the hobby then find another one.  It's supposed to be about entertainment.  Find something legal that entertains you if mmos have lost their lustre."

You said:

"Why do people obsess over games they don't like as if they're offended by their very existence?  It is squarely the players fault for not moving on to something else and interesting."

I said:

"I have you wrongly assuming dillhole."

You said:

"And if you can't find anything interesting with the selection out now I would say it's YOUR problem."

I said:

"In fact if I wasn't busy programming innovative RTS games I would still be playing ATITD 8 hours a day, down from 12 because 12 is too much after a few months. If I had money I would play EvE."

 

Do you understand now? You quoted my post and responded with straw person arguments which do not apply to me. I pointed out that your assumptions were wrong and your arguments invalid.

Thusly you dug around for a comment you could yet again misinterpret to back up your poorly conceived argument.

 

Guess what.

All the people complaining about the current state of MMOs are, like me, doing something else instead. The people who obsess about MMOs are fanbois in love with WoW or GW2 or some such game. The people that have given up on the majority of MMOs because they are boring crap have moved on to activities that are not currently in a state of shitness.

That doesn't mean that we can't advocate for a return to the time when MMOs were unique and innovative and provided an experience that was vastly different from single player games.

Spending 20 or 30 minutes every few days posting on a forum does not amount to obsessing over games you don't like. Do you understand what the word obsession means?

Your argument was not only stupid but inapplicable to 99% of people who bemoan the current state of MMOs.

You are 100% wrong and you should feel wrong. Get over it.

  ForTheCity

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10/10/12 1:26:13 PM#76
not really sure what would excite me. there are plenty of hack n slash mmos that i'm currently enjoying right now so don't have anything to complain about. 
  dave6660

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Joined: 9/26/08
Posts: 2360

"Next time I see you, remind me not to talk to you."

10/10/12 2:43:03 PM#77

When they release something original.

If I can play for 2 hours and not feel like I've done this twenty times before then I'll be happy.

"Why so serious?"
-- The Joker

  User Deleted
10/10/12 3:29:28 PM#78
Originally posted by dave6660

When they release something original.

If I can play for 2 hours and not feel like I've done this twenty times before then I'll be happy.

How different would a game have to be to qualify as original? Can it still be a fantasy mmorpg with active abilities or do you have to change the whole gaming concept to be original.

  Cuathon

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Joined: 10/24/04
Posts: 2254

Draw Something is now an MMO. God has forsaken us.

10/10/12 3:45:47 PM#79
Originally posted by dave6660

When they release something original.

If I can play for 2 hours and not feel like I've done this twenty times before then I'll be happy.

I shall follow you even in to hell brilliant leader. In the end all the theory in the world won't help. It has to FEEL new. Or at least so old I've forgotten how it feels in the case of stuff like SWG or Ultima Online.

  senadin

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Joined: 7/01/04
Posts: 228

10/10/12 3:55:09 PM#80

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mmomagic/citadel-of-sorcery-mmorpg

THIS!

Seriously check the video... this is what i am trully exctied! Like i said, check the video! Maybe a small group of devs can create what hundreds of millions cant! A game that bring gameplay, story and community at the forefront.

The next big thing wont be by the big box out there....

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