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  Kuppa

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10/09/12 5:04:11 PM#41
Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by Kuppa
Originally posted by bcbully

I just read the mmorpg article earlier.  

 

The first two things are already in game.

 

The "arenas" are exactly like WoW wargames. Nobody did wargames.  Not "arena".

http://www.wowpedia.org/War_Game wargames

"Using the War Games feature, groups of players can challenge one another to player versus player combat that affects neither ratings nor currency but is intended solely for fun, practice, or recruitment." 

 

they replaced skirmishes with wargames. people are still pissed 2 years later.

http://hydramist.tv/arena/bring-back-skirmishes-in-mists-of-pandaria/

 

There they go trying to "redefine" things...

What do you mean that those two things are already in  game? Im trying to make sense of your post...

Free automated tournys and paid automated tournys. Am I missing something?

No, I thought you were talking about the stuff you were writting.


  Kuppa

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10/09/12 5:04:53 PM#42
Originally posted by drakaena
Bad PvP system is bad. Get at me when they add death matches and a ladder system with unique rewards based on bracket placement.

death matches as in FFA? that would be kind of cool just for fun.


  bcbully

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10/09/12 5:05:51 PM#43
Originally posted by Kuppa
Originally posted by drakaena
Bad PvP system is bad. Get at me when they add death matches and a ladder system with unique rewards based on bracket placement.

death matches as in FFA? that would be kind of cool just for fun.

No I'm sure he means as in Arena, 2v2 3v3 5v5.

  SirFubar

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10/09/12 5:08:25 PM#44
Originally posted by drakaena
Bad PvP system is bad. Get at me when they add death matches and a ladder system with unique rewards based on bracket placement.

Bad troll is bad. DM PvP is the most nonsense useless form of PVP.

  Kuppa

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10/09/12 5:09:26 PM#45
Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by Kuppa
Originally posted by drakaena
Bad PvP system is bad. Get at me when they add death matches and a ladder system with unique rewards based on bracket placement.

death matches as in FFA? that would be kind of cool just for fun.

No I'm sure he means as in Arena, 2v2 3v3 5v5.

That will be in with the custom arenas....so Im thinking he didn't mean that.


  SirFubar

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10/09/12 5:09:53 PM#46
Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by Kuppa
Originally posted by drakaena
Bad PvP system is bad. Get at me when they add death matches and a ladder system with unique rewards based on bracket placement.

death matches as in FFA? that would be kind of cool just for fun.

No I'm sure he means as in Arena, 2v2 3v3 5v5.

If he means that, then hes like all the other troll here who can't even read the post that was linked in the OP.

  bcbully

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10/09/12 5:22:20 PM#47
Originally posted by Kuppa
Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by Kuppa
Originally posted by drakaena
Bad PvP system is bad. Get at me when they add death matches and a ladder system with unique rewards based on bracket placement.

death matches as in FFA? that would be kind of cool just for fun.

No I'm sure he means as in Arena, 2v2 3v3 5v5.

That will be in with the custom arenas....so Im thinking he didn't mean that.

Without the rankings and rewards. just like WoW wargames. The problem with the system as it was in WoW you need to find people to play with. Once one team beats on the other for awhile you have to find more people. Where as an arena system would find more players for you, rank you, and reward you. 

 

On paper I can see how someone would say "this looks cool" but in practice it's just not practical. It's much easier to just hot join a game, plus you get rewarded for it. Rule number one of mmos "People will follow the path of least resistance"

  Aerowyn

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OP  10/09/12 5:26:17 PM#48
sad thing is I could of posted an article from a developer stating that they are giving away $50 checks to all players by end of next month and I bet you would see threads stating 1. Why do I have to wait till end of next month and  2. Why a check? who uses checks nowadays?

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  Kuppa

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10/09/12 5:49:39 PM#49
Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by Kuppa
Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by Kuppa
Originally posted by drakaena
Bad PvP system is bad. Get at me when they add death matches and a ladder system with unique rewards based on bracket placement.

death matches as in FFA? that would be kind of cool just for fun.

No I'm sure he means as in Arena, 2v2 3v3 5v5.

That will be in with the custom arenas....so Im thinking he didn't mean that.

Without the rankings and rewards. just like WoW wargames. The problem with the system as it was in WoW you need to find people to play with. Once one team beats on the other for awhile you have to find more people. Where as an arena system would find more players for you, rank you, and reward you. 

 

On paper I can see how someone would say "this looks cool" but in practice it's just not practical. It's much easier to just hot join a game, plus you get rewarded for it. Rule number one of mmos "People will follow the path of least resistance"

They don't say anywere that you can't get rewards from it. And you can open it to the public.


  Kuppa

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10/09/12 5:50:22 PM#50
Originally posted by Aerowyn
sad thing is I could of posted an article from a developer stating that they are giving away $50 checks to all players by end of next month and I bet you would see threads stating 1. Why do I have to wait till end of next month and  2. Why a check? who uses checks nowadays?

lol word


  TwoThreeFour

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10/09/12 7:19:50 PM#51
Originally posted by Aerowyn
sad thing is I could of posted an article from a developer stating that they are giving away $50 checks to all players by end of next month and I bet you would see threads stating 1. Why do I have to wait till end of next month and  2. Why a check? who uses checks nowadays?

If they are giving away money like that, one has to discuss what the intention is and if it is good for the game as  a whole to do so.

 

I want the Structured PvP to succeed as an E-sport, but I think their current path is worrysome.  Like I mentioned above, they don't seem to either realize or agree with the analysis that it is important to hurry up while a lot of people are still interested; time is of essence. 

 

I don't want to read in 1 year how they finaly got replay, spectator and an ELO system going but it being too late due to not enough people interested.

  nolic1

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10/09/12 7:25:41 PM#52
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by BadSpock
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Kuppa
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by nolic1
Been doing quite a bit of sPvP lately and having a blast in fact got in to it with a warrior last nite with the name Aerowyn in it they were on the other team and did not let me hurt them the nuked me but it was fun. If it was Aerowyn then props to you for being the first warrior to take out my mesmer :).
haha yea that was me:)

You in the mmorpg.com guild? we should do some tourneys if so :)

I'm not actually.. in my own guild... pm me if you see me online later.. usually on evenings EST

I'm looking to start some sPvP action pretty soon here. Been 100% focused on PvE at this point.

So by the time they patch in this stuff (hopefully towards end of October) I"ll be 80 and looking to start doing more PvP (WvW and sPvP)

been mostly the same although i'd say 90% PVE:) PVP for me is always my endgame for themeparks and ill generally stick around as long as I find the PVP enjoyable

I dont do PvP except in GW1 GW2 and DCUO but this is by far better then most of the games I have played arena PvP in. My self I try to do a little PvP through out the week to take a break from PvE.


To me I enjoy gaming I dont play to be uber I play to have fun. If a game is not fun to me guess what I move on and play something else till I find one that is. When I find that great game and not sure if in my life time there will be one I hope it has everything I want in an mmo.

  drakaena

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10/09/12 7:43:49 PM#53
I read the article. Custom arenas sound a lot like an overly complicated form of group dueling to me.

Add a ranking system.

Add various forms of structured PvP.

I'm GW1 players overwhelmingly favored death match style PvP to capture points. Can players quick join death match PvP, can they start death match tournaments, what am I missing?

Group dueling.
  Kuppa

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10/09/12 10:58:25 PM#54
Originally posted by drakaena
I read the article. Custom arenas sound a lot like an overly complicated form of group dueling to me.

Add a ranking system.

Add various forms of structured PvP.

I'm GW1 players overwhelmingly favored death match style PvP to capture points. Can players quick join death match PvP, can they start death match tournaments, what am I missing?

Group dueling.

I understand the need for a ranking system or ladder. But, I don't understand what woul be the difference from "death match" pvp and "group dueling"....you can join a custom arena that is open to the public.


  bcbully

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10/09/12 11:12:53 PM#55
Originally posted by Kuppa
Originally posted by drakaena
I read the article. Custom arenas sound a lot like an overly complicated form of group dueling to me.

Add a ranking system.

Add various forms of structured PvP.

I'm GW1 players overwhelmingly favored death match style PvP to capture points. Can players quick join death match PvP, can they start death match tournaments, what am I missing?

Group dueling.

I understand the need for a ranking system or ladder. But, I don't understand what woul be the difference from "death match" pvp and "group dueling"....you can join a custom arena that is open to the public.

I think you are mistaken here.

 

"You want a place where you and your friends can play without random people jumping in on the game."

"Custom arenas are special PvP maps, rented by players, that will allow you to set up passwords, host scrims, and test strategies with your team."

 

It doesn't look like a hot join or public join system.

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10/09/12 11:21:12 PM#56

I want alliance battles and Jade quarry u.u

  Kuppa

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10/10/12 12:00:21 AM#57
Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by Kuppa
Originally posted by drakaena
I read the article. Custom arenas sound a lot like an overly complicated form of group dueling to me.

Add a ranking system.

Add various forms of structured PvP.

I'm GW1 players overwhelmingly favored death match style PvP to capture points. Can players quick join death match PvP, can they start death match tournaments, what am I missing?

Group dueling.

I understand the need for a ranking system or ladder. But, I don't understand what woul be the difference from "death match" pvp and "group dueling"....you can join a custom arena that is open to the public.

I think you are mistaken here.

 

"You want a place where you and your friends can play without random people jumping in on the game."

"Custom arenas are special PvP maps, rented by players, that will allow you to set up passwords, host scrims, and test strategies with your team."

 

It doesn't look like a hot join or public join system.

Same paragraph from your quote:

"Custom arenas are special PvP maps, rented by players, that will allow you to set up passwords, host scrims, and test strategies with your team.  This will allow you to challenge other teams, work on your builds in secret, and test your skills 1-on-1 with friends.  You can open the server up to everyone and set the map rotation you like best, or keep your arena password-protected so it serves as your private training ground."


  bcbully

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10/10/12 12:06:31 AM#58
Originally posted by Kuppa
Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by Kuppa
Originally posted by drakaena
I read the article. Custom arenas sound a lot like an overly complicated form of group dueling to me.

Add a ranking system.

Add various forms of structured PvP.

I'm GW1 players overwhelmingly favored death match style PvP to capture points. Can players quick join death match PvP, can they start death match tournaments, what am I missing?

Group dueling.

I understand the need for a ranking system or ladder. But, I don't understand what woul be the difference from "death match" pvp and "group dueling"....you can join a custom arena that is open to the public.

I think you are mistaken here.

 

"You want a place where you and your friends can play without random people jumping in on the game."

"Custom arenas are special PvP maps, rented by players, that will allow you to set up passwords, host scrims, and test strategies with your team."

 

It doesn't look like a hot join or public join system.

Same paragraph from your quote:

"Custom arenas are special PvP maps, rented by players, that will allow you to set up passwords, host scrims, and test strategies with your team.  This will allow you to challenge other teams, work on your builds in secret, and test your skills 1-on-1 with friends.  You can open the server up to everyone and set the map rotation you like best, or keep your arena password-protected so it serves as your private training ground."

well that's better than being a closed instance to your party.

  CallsignVega

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10/10/12 12:17:16 AM#59
This topic by ANet just shows how out of touch they are with their own game and their playerbase. GW2 PvP is aweful and flawed at very basic levels. There is an iceburg, but it's upside down as players stop playing and leave the game in droves. 
  Kuppa

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10/10/12 10:36:45 AM#60
Originally posted by CallsignVega
This topic by ANet just shows how out of touch they are with their own game and their playerbase. GW2 PvP is aweful and flawed at very basic levels. There is an iceburg, but it's upside down as players stop playing and leave the game in droves. 

Could you please enlighten us on how its flawed at very basic levels? Last I checked there is a ton of people playing and enjoying GW2 pvp.


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