Trending Games | ArcheAge | WildStar | Guild Wars 2 | World of Warcraft

  Network:  FPSguru RTSguru
Login:  Password:   Remember?  
Show Quick Gamelist Jump to Random Game
Members:2,784,477 Users Online:0
Games:723  Posts:6,192,521
Recent forum postsRSS
Active threads
Cloud view
List all forums
General Forums
Developers Corner General Discussion
Popular Game Forums
Click a status to find game forum
Game Forums
Click a letter to find game forum
A-C
2029 Online 2112: Revolution 2Moons 4Story 8BitMMO 9 Dragons A Mystical Land A Tale in the Desert III A3 ACE Online ARGO Online Aberoth Absolute Force Online Absolute Terror Achaea Adellion Aerrevan Aetolia, the Midnight Age Age of Armor Age of Conan Age of Empires Online Age of Mourning Age of Wulin Age of Wushu Aida Arenas Aika Aion Albion Online Alganon All Points Bulletin (APB) Allods Online Altis Gates Amazing World Anarchy Online Ancients of Fasaria Andromeda 5 Angels Online Anime Trumps Anmynor Anno Online Applo Arcane Hearts Arcane Legends ArchLord ArcheAge Archeblade Archlord X Asda 2 Asda Story Ashen Empires Asheron's Call Asheron's Call 2 Astera Online Astonia III Astro Empires Astro Lords: Oort CLoud Asura Force Atlantica Online Atriarch Aura Kingdom Aurora Blade Auto Assault Avatar Star Battle Dawn Battle Dawn Galaxies Battle for Graxia Battle of 3 Kingdoms Battle of the Immortals Battlecruiser Online Battlestar Galactica Online Battlestar Reloaded Beyond Protocol Black Aftermath Black Desert Black Gold Black Prophecy Black Prophecy Tactics: Nexus Conflict Blacklight Retribution Blade & Soul Blade Hunter Blade Wars Blazing Throne Bless Blitz 1941 Blood and Jade Bloodlines Champions Bounty Bay Online Brain Storm Brawl Busters. Brick-Force Bright Shadow Bullet Run Business Tycoon Online CTRacer Cabal Online Caesary Call of Camelot Call of Gods Call of Thrones Camelot Unchained Canaan Online Cardmon Hero Cartoon Universe CasinoRPG Castle Empire Castlot Celtic Heroes Champions Online Champions of Regnum Chaos Online Chrono Tales Citadel of Sorcery CitiesXL Citizen Zero City of Decay City of Heroes City of Steam City of Transformers City of Villains Civilization Online Clan Lord Clash of Clans Cloud Nine Club Penguin Colony of War Command & Conquer: Tiberium Alliances Company of Heroes Online Conquer Online Conquer Online 3 Continent of the Ninth (C9) Core Blaze Core Exiles Corum Online Craft of Gods Crimecraft Crimelife 2 Cronous Crota II Crusaders of Solaris Cultures Online Cyber Monster 2 Céiron Wars
D-F
D&D Online DC Universe DK Online DOTA DOTA 2 DUST 514 DV8: Exile Dalethaan Dance Groove Online Dark Age of Camelot Dark Ages Dark Legends Dark Orbit Dark Relic: Prelude Dark Solstice Dark and Light DarkEden Online DarkSpace Darkblood Online Darkest Dungeon Darkfall Darkfall: Unholy Wars Darkwind: War on Wheels Das Tal Dawn of Fantasy Dawntide DayZ Dead Earth Dead Frontier Deco Online Deepworld Defiance Deicide Online Dekaron Demons at the Horizon Desert Operations Destiny Diablo 3 Diamonin Digimon Battle Dino Storm Disciple Divergence Divina Divine Souls Dofus Dominus Online Dragon Ball Online Dragon Born Online Dragon Crusade Dragon Empires Dragon Eternity Dragon Nest Dragon Oath Dragon Pals Dragon Raja Dragon's Call Dragon's Call II Dragon's Prophet DragonSky DragonSoul Dragona Dragonica Dragons and Titans Dream of Mirror Online Dreamland Online Dreamlords: The Reawakening Drift City Duels Dungeon Blitz Dungeon Fighter Online Dungeon Overlord Dungeon Party Dungeon Rampage Dungeon Runners Dynastica Dynasty Warriors Online Dynasty of the Magi EIN (Epicus Incognitus) EVE Online Earth Eternal Earth and Beyond Earthrise Eclipse War Ecol Tactics Online Eden Eternal Edge of Space Einherjar - The Viking's Blood Elder Scrolls Online Eldevin Elf Online Elite: Dangerous Embers of Caerus Emil Chronicle Online Empire Empire & State Empire Craft Empire Universe 3 EmpireQuest Empires of Galldon End of Nations Endless Ages Endless Blue Moon Online Endless Online Entropia Universe EpicDuel Erebus: Travia Reborn Eredan Eternal Blade Eternal Lands Eternal Saga Ether Fields Ether Saga Online Eudemons Online EuroGangster EverEmber Online EverQuest Next EverQuest Online Adventures Evernight Everquest Everquest II Evony Exarch Exorace F.E.A.R. Online Face of Mankind Fairyland Online Fall of Rome Fallen Earth Fallen Sword Fallout Online Family Guy Online Fantage Fantasy Earth Zero Fantasy Realm Online Fantasy Tales Online Fantasy Worlds: Rhynn Faunasphere Faxion Online Ferentus Ferion Fiesta Online Final Fantasy XI Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn Firefall Fists of Fu Florensia Flyff Football Manager Live Football Superstars Force of Arms Forge Forsaken World Fortnite Fortuna Forum for Discussion of Everlight Freaky Creatures Free Realms Freesky Online Freeworld Fung Wan Online Furcadia Fury Fusion Fall
G-L
GalaXseeds Galactic Command Online Game of Thrones: Seven Kingdoms Gameglobe Gate To Heavens Gates of Andaron Gatheryn Gauntlet Gekkeiju Online Ghost Online Ghost Recon Online Gladiatus Glitch Global Agenda Global Soccer Gloria Victis Glory of Gods GoGoRacer Goal Line Blitz Gods and Heroes GodsWar Online Golemizer Golf Star GoonZu Online Graal Kingdoms Granado Espada Online Grand Chase Grand Fantasia Grepolis Grimlands Guild Wars Guild Wars 2 Guild Wars Factions Guild Wars Nightfall H1Z1 Habbo Hotel Hailan Rising HaloSphere2 Haven & Hearth Hawken Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft Helbreath Hellgate Hellgate: London Hello Kitty Online Hero Online Hero Zero Hero's Journey Hero: 108 Online HeroSmash Heroes & Generals Heroes in the Sky Heroes of Bestia Heroes of Gaia Heroes of Might and Magic Online Heroes of Thessalonica Heroes of Three Kingdoms Heroes of the Storm Hex Holic Online Hostile Space Hunter Blade Huxley Illutia Illyriad Immortals USA Imperator Imperian Inferno Legend Infestation: Survivor Stories Infinite Crisis Infinity Infinity Iris Online Iron Grip: Marauders Irth Worlds Island Forge Islands of War Istaria: Chronicles of the Gifted Jade Dynasty Jagged Alliance Online Juggernaut Jumpgate Jumpgate Evolution KAL Online Kakele Online Kaos War Karos Online Kartuga Kicks Online King of Kings 3 Kingdom Heroes Kingdom Under Fire II Kingdom of Drakkar Kingory Kings and Legends Kings of the Realm KingsRoad Kitsu Saga Kiwarriors Knight Age Knight Online Knights of Dream City Kothuria Kung Foo! Kunlun Online L.A.W. LEGO Universe La Tale Land of Chaos Online Landmark Lands of Hope: Phoenix Edition LastChaos League of Angels League of Legends - Clash of Fates Legend of Edda: Vengeance Legend of Golden Plume Legend of Katha Legend of Mir 2 Legend of Mir 3 Legendary Champions Lego Minifigures Online Life is Feudal Light of Nova Lime Odyssey Line of Defense Lineage Lineage Eternal: Twilight Resistance Lineage II Linkrealms Loong Online Lord of the Rings Online Lords Online Lost Saga Lucent Heart Lunia Lusternia: Age of Ascension Luvinia World
M-Q
MU Online Mabinogi Maestia: Rise of Keledus MagiKnights Magic Barrage Magic World Online Manga Fighter MapleStory Martial Heroes Marvel Heroes Marvel Super Hero Squad Online Marvel: Avengers Alliance MechWarrior Online Megaten Meridian 59 : Evolution Merlin MetalMercs Metaplace Metin 2 MicroVolts Midkemia Online Might & Magic Heroes: Kingdoms MilMo Minecraft Mini Fighter Minions of Mirth Ministry of War Monato Esprit Monkey King Online Monkey Quest Monster & Me Monster Madness Online MonsterMMORPG Moonlight Online: Tales of Eternal Blood Mordavia Mortal Online Mourning My Lands Myst Online: URU Live Myth Angels Online Myth War Myth War 2 Mytheon Mythic Saga Mythos N.E.O Online NIDA Online Nadirim Naviage: The Power of Capital Navy Field Need for Speed World Nemexia Neo's Land NeoSteam Neocron Nether Neverwinter Nexus: The Kingdom Of The Winds NinjaTrick NosTale Novus Aeterno Oberin Odin Quest Odyssey RPG Ogre Island Omerta 3 Online Boxing Manager Onverse Order & Chaos Online Order of Magic Original Blood Origins Return Origins of Malu Orion's Belt Otherland Forums OverSoul Overkings Oz Online Oz World Pandora Saga Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen Panzar Parabellum Parallel Kingdom Parfait Station Path of Exile Pathfinder Online Perfect World Perpetuum Online Phantasy Star Online 2 Phantasy Star Universe Phoenix Dynasty Online Phylon Pi Story Picaroon Pirate Galaxy Pirate Storm Pirate101 PirateKing Online Pirates of the Burning Sea Pirates of the Caribbean Online Pixie Hollow Planeshift Planet Arkadia Planet Calypso PlanetSide 2 Planetside Planets³ Playboy Manager Pocket Legends Pockie Ninja Pockie Pirates Pockie Saints PoxNora Prime World Prime: Battle for Dominus Priston Tale Priston Tale II Prius Online Project Blackout Project Powder Project Titan Forums Project Wiki Puzzle Pirates Quickhit Football
R-S
R2 Online RAN Online RF Online ROSE Online Rage of 3 Kingdoms Ragnarok Online Ragnarok Online II RaiderZ Rakion Rappelz RappelzSEA Ravenmarch Realm Fighter Realm of the Mad God Realm of the Titans Realms Online Reclamation Red Stone Red War: Edem's Curse Regnum Online Remnant Knights Renaissance Repulse Requiem: Memento Mori Rift RiotZone Rise Rise of Dragonian Era Rise of Empire Rise of the Tycoon Rising of King Risk Your Life Rivality Rockfree Rohan: Blood Feud Role Play Worlds Roll n Rock Roma Victor Romadoria Rosh Online Roto X Rubies of Eventide Ruin Online Rumble Fighter Runes of Magic Runescape Rust Rusty Hearts Ryzom S4 League SAGA SD Gundam Capsule Fighter Online SMITE SUN Sagramore Salem SaySayGirls Scarlet Blade Scions of Fate Seal Online: Evolution Second Life Secret of the Solstice Seed Serenia Fantasy Seven Seas Saga Seven Souls Online Sevencore Shadow of Legend Shadowbane Shadowrun Online Shaiya Shards Online Shattered Galaxy Sho Online Shot Online Shroud of the Avatar SideQuest Siege on Stars Sigonyth: Desert Eternity Silkroad Online Skyblade Skyforge SmashMuck Champions Smoo Online Soldier Front Soul Master Soul Order Online Soul of Guardian Space Heroes Universe Sparta: War of Empires Spellcasters Sphere Spiral Knights Spirit Tales Splash Fighters Squad Wars Star Citizen Star Sonata 2 Star Stable Star Supremacy Star Trek Online Star Trek: Infinite Space Star Wars Galaxies Star Wars: Clone Wars Adventures Star Wars: The Old Republic StarQuest Online Stargate Worlds Starlight Story Starpires State of Decay SteelWar Online Stone Age 2 Stormfall: Age of War Storybricks Stronghold Kingdoms Sudden Attack Supremacy 1914 Supreme Destiny Sword Girls Sword of Destiny: Rise of Aions SwordX Swords of Heavens Swordsman
T-Z
TERA TS Online Tabula Rasa Tactica Online Tales Runner Tales of Fantasy Tales of Pirates Tales of Pirates II Tales of Solaris Talisman Online Tamer Saga Tank Ace Tantra Online Tatsumaki: Land at War Terra Militaris TerraWorld Online Thang Online The 4th Coming The Agency The Aurora World The Black Watchmen The Chronicle The Chronicles of Spellborn The Crew The Division The Hammers End The Legend of Ares The Lost Titans The Matrix Online The Mighty Quest for Epic Loot The Missing Ink The Mummy Online The Myth of Soma The Pride of Taern The Realm Online The Repopulation The Secret World The Sims Online The Strategems The West Theralon There Therian Saga Thrones of Chaos Tibia Tibia Micro Edition Tiger Knight Titan Siege Titans of Time Toontown Online Top Speed Topia Online Torchlight Total Domination Transformers Universe Traveller AR Travia Online Travian Trials of Ascension Tribal Hero Tribal Wars Tribes Universe Trickster Online Trove Troy Online True Fantasy Live Online Turf Battles Twelve Sky Twelve Sky 2 Twilight War Tynon U.B. Funkeys UFO Online URDEAD Online Ultima Forever: Quest for the Avatar Ultima Online Ultima X: Odyssey Ultimate Naruto Ultimate Soccer Boss Uncharted Waters Online Undercover 2: Merc Wars Underlight Unification Wars Universe Online Utopia Valkyrie Sky Vampire Lord Online Vanguard: Saga of Heroes Vanquish Space Vector City Racers Vendetta Online Victory - Age of Racing Vindictus Virtonomics Vis Gladius Visions of Zosimos VoidExpanse Voyage Century Online W.E.L.L. Online WAR (Warhammer Online) WAR2 Glory WYD Global Wakfu War Thunder War of 2012 War of Angels War of Legends War of Mercenaries War of Thrones War of the Immortals WarFlow Waren Story Wargame1942 Warhammer 40,000: Eternal Crusade Warhammer 40K: Dark Millennium Online Warhammer Online: Wrath of Heroes Warkeepers Warrior Epic Wartune WebLords Wild West Online WildStar Wind of Luck WindSlayer 2 Wings of Destiny Wish Wizard101 Wizardry Online Wizards and Champions Wonder King Wonderland Online World Golf Tour World of Battles World of Darkness World of Heroes World of Kung Fu World of Pirates World of Speed World of Tanks World of Tanks Generals World of Warcraft World of Warplanes World of Warships World of the Living Dead WorldAlpha Wurm Online Xenocell Xiah Xsyon Xulu YS Online Yitien ZU Online Zentia Zero Online Zero Online: The Andromeda Crisis Zodiac Online Zombies Ate My Pizza eRepublik

MMORPG.com Discussion Forums

Mortal Online

Mortal Online 

General Discussion  » Ok we finally know what's wrong with the AI

3 Pages 1 2 3 » Search
46 posts found
  FastSloth

Novice Member

Joined: 6/11/12
Posts: 144

 
OP  10/08/12 6:29:07 PM#1

http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/threads/ai.79544/#post-1376300

 

Apparently the AI isn't working because it would require work to fix it. And because it's bugged. Genius!

 

"Q: OMG Why AI run away then come back LOL:
A: AI has issues, the 'run away then come back' is a bug, the fail fear check, flee but something doesn't clear good enough and they decide to come back."

 

"Q: ZOMG Why u no make troll and add? U had all dem grafix!
A: We do have the troll, it does have all the graphics and animations. But we want it to pick you up. And doing requires code, a fair amount of code."

 

You don't say, Sebastian Persson..

 

"Q: Why you LIE and say you fix it when U did not NOOBSEB!
A: I did! Every note
in the patchnotes about changes to the AI is indeed a improvement, it's just been a bunch of fairly minor improvements"

 

Reminds me of something:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ntr-pw_6C0

When Sebastian Persson is asked why the product he's being paid for isn't working, he doesn't appologize and gets back to work, he explains why it isn't working - and sucks at that. If he knew what's wrong, he'd be able to fix it. XD Doesn't that say it all?

 

I bet his excuses are longer than the code for the AI.

  Biskop

Novice Member

Joined: 10/06/11
Posts: 731

10/09/12 3:45:18 AM#2

It's disturbing how he thinks he's in a position to mock the playerbase by mimicking some imaginary "ZOMG U SUX ROFL" speech. He treats his paying customers like spoiled children who don't understand anything and just keep asking stupid questions, which is bizarre given the circumstances.

SV should be on their fucking knees begging people to keep playing their broken game, instead of talking down to the few people who still support them.

But it's the way it has always been - before a major patch there's a lot of hype-talk and dev activity on the forums, outlining all the awesomeness to come. Then when the patch finally arrives, underwhelming everyone and breaking everything, there is silence and censorship, threads being removed and people banned for asking legitimate questions, etc.

Then, when the complaints reach an uncontrollable level, one of the SV guys may stoop to post some "explanation" as to why X and Y is not working as intended, usually ridden with some fake-ass technical jargon to make it look more professional. The fanbois rave and applaud because the glorious leaders deemed them worthy of a reply, while everybody else just frown and wonder how an arrogant-styled "explanation" will actually fix everything that is missing and/or broken.

Still, people who buy all the bs hype have themselves to blame. Most sensible people were very skeptical about SV's ability to deliver a patch of this magnitude - and as usual, the skeptics were right. Given SV's track record you have to be either extremely stupid, extremely naïve, or extremely brainwashed to expect anything less than a disaster when they attempt to "revolutionize" something.

 

Edit: Just read the whole thread. I can't believe people actually go out of their way to "help" these guys, putting videos together, posting detailed accounts of AI bugs, etc, as if that would somehow make Sebastian capable of fixing stuff once and for all.

Isn't it very obvious by now that this guy has no damn clue what he's doing? A professional dev team test their stuff before release, they don't just throw some new code out there and see what happens, letting paying customers do detailed bug reports and quailty testing for them (which still doesn't help ofc). I mean, he coded the damned thing and he still don't know what the problems are?

Fucking pathetic.

  User Deleted
10/09/12 12:09:52 PM#3

I still see the same mob behaviour, I still see the same problems with the navigational mesh and pathing, and I still see problems with movement. - and that's probably being overly generous. The AI is in a marginally worse state than it was pre-Awakening, given that it had at least been patched a little up to that point.

 

I think they took the attitude that their design was sound, but the code wasn't. I believe it was Seb who wrote the old AI code (correct me if I am wrong), so... I don't know *sigh*

 

The scary thing is that Henrik believes the AI to be revolutionary. Give every actor type a brain of inter-connected neurons, feed them whatever sensor input or messages an actor currently gets, use the state of a few of these neurons to drive any behaviour and evolve for a few hundred generations. That's revolutionary AI. Mortal Online's AI (if it worked) is not only substandard, it's piss-poor  (even worse than The Elder Scrolls).

 

I'll just stop there, I think.

 

 

  SaintPhilip

Novice Member

Joined: 3/22/12
Posts: 729

10/09/12 12:45:05 PM#4
Originally posted by FastSloth

http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/threads/ai.79544/#post-1376300

 

Apparently the AI isn't working because it would require work to fix it. And because it's bugged. Genius!

 

"Q: OMG Why AI run away then come back LOL:
A: AI has issues, the 'run away then come back' is a bug, the fail fear check, flee but something doesn't clear good enough and they decide to come back."

 

"Q: ZOMG Why u no make troll and add? U had all dem grafix!
A: We do have the troll, it does have all the graphics and animations. But we want it to pick you up. And doing requires code, a fair amount of code."

 

You don't say, Sebastian Persson..

 

"Q: Why you LIE and say you fix it when U did not NOOBSEB!
A: I did! Every note
in the patchnotes about changes to the AI is indeed a improvement, it's just been a bunch of fairly minor improvements"

 

Reminds me of something:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ntr-pw_6C0

When Sebastian Persson is asked why the product he's being paid for isn't working, he doesn't appologize and gets back to work, he explains why it isn't working - and sucks at that. If he knew what's wrong, he'd be able to fix it. XD Doesn't that say it all?

 

I bet his excuses are longer than the code for the AI.

That "mock" question and answer post is totally disrespectful- That asshole is making it sound as if its foolish "kids" who keep pestering the Dev team for ridiculous reasons-

Again, SV should really be ashamed. The way he worded that shows (once again) why this game is a sham and will never , ever work properly (nor did it ever have a chance)

What an egotistical asshole- And he cant code for shit. Its amature hour and when MO fails Seb will be lucky to have a job flipping burgers.

  xDayx

Novice Member

Joined: 9/08/11
Posts: 713

10/09/12 1:38:10 PM#5
Its too ambitious of a game for Starvault.   
  Boldyn

Apprentice Member

Joined: 12/29/04
Posts: 261

10/09/12 1:43:16 PM#6
Originally posted by Biskop

He treats his paying customers like spoiled children who don't understand anything and just keep asking stupid questions

Well we all know those don't exist in mmo's...

  SaintPhilip

Novice Member

Joined: 3/22/12
Posts: 729

10/09/12 2:08:06 PM#7
Originally posted by xDayx
Its too ambitious of a game for Starvault.   

Yes, but the condescending tone of the main dev (who, consequently cannot code for shit) towards his customers - The way he takes valid concerns (like the AI still not working after YEARS, mobs falling through the world, flying around, etc, etc,) and turns it into a joke that essentially paints anyone asking these questions as a kid who cannot formulate a sentence (and again, he is the MAIN DEV who cannot code...) rather than taking a serious stance, perhaps appoogize and stop making excuses.

-Anyhow... Games on its last legs and with SVs attitude towards its playerbase NOT IMPROVING as the game does NOT IMPROVE after YEARS of broken everything- its just...pathetic.

  xDayx

Novice Member

Joined: 9/08/11
Posts: 713

10/09/12 2:21:09 PM#8
Originally posted by SaintPhilip
Originally posted by xDayx
Its too ambitious of a game for Starvault.   

Yes, but the condescending tone of the main dev (who, consequently cannot code for shit) towards his customers - The way he takes valid concerns (like the AI still not working after YEARS, mobs falling through the world, flying around, etc, etc,) and turns it into a joke that essentially paints anyone asking these questions as a kid who cannot formulate a sentence (and again, he is the MAIN DEV who cannot code...) rather than taking a serious stance, perhaps appoogize and stop making excuses.

-Anyhow... Games on its last legs and with SVs attitude towards its playerbase NOT IMPROVING as the game does NOT IMPROVE after YEARS of broken everything- its just...pathetic.

 (Shrug) I guess its a defense mechanism he is utilizing.

At this point with me personally I dont really care. I was hoping StarVault added a little more fluff by now and punished reds more but it never happened.

  Wendetta

Novice Member

Joined: 9/20/12
Posts: 33

I have been in a Banned.

10/09/12 2:55:59 PM#9
Originally posted by Linsesh

 

 I believe it was Seb who wrote the old AI code (correct me if I am wrong), so... I don't know *sigh*

 

No, it was an intern who coded this for extra credits. This was made public years back but many have forgotten this no thanks to the MO Fanboy Army in the least. If you are determined enough you can manually dig it up on MO forumspace here, since the search feature on this site is BS, but not like it matters especially at this point of time. 

 

And ofcourse the thread + post was deleted on the MOFO in short notice, even though it was Henrik or one of the former Lead community mod who posted it. I dont think a cached copy even exists on google since the MO forums have been changed so many times till now, but you can try searching, again if you are determined enough.

 

Moral of the story: Interns are better at make half assed games than Starvault can ever be. They should be searching for more interns to play the role of lead programmer and CEO.

Proud Member of the A.F-D-A. [Anti Fanboy-Defense-Army]Association for a Better Tomorrow or [A.F-D-A.]AfaBT, in short.

  SHOE788

Apprentice Member

Joined: 9/02/10
Posts: 715

10/09/12 3:49:57 PM#10
Originally posted by Wendetta
Originally posted by Linsesh

 

 I believe it was Seb who wrote the old AI code (correct me if I am wrong), so... I don't know *sigh*

 

No, it was an intern who coded this for extra credits. This was made public years back but many have forgotten this no thanks to the MO Fanboy Army in the least. If you are determined enough you can manually dig it up on MO forumspace here, since the search feature on this site is BS, but not like it matters especially at this point of time. 

 

And ofcourse the thread + post was deleted on the MOFO in short notice, even though it was Henrik or one of the former Lead community mod who posted it. I dont think a cached copy even exists on google since the MO forums have been changed so many times till now, but you can try searching, again if you are determined enough.

 

Moral of the story: Interns are better at make half assed games than Starvault can ever be. They should be searching for more interns to play the role of lead programmer and CEO.

So an intern wrote it and it was bad, then Seb scrapped it and rewrote it and it was bad

lol

  Biskop

Novice Member

Joined: 10/06/11
Posts: 731

10/09/12 4:09:54 PM#11
Originally posted by Boldyn
Originally posted by Biskop

He treats his paying customers like spoiled children who don't understand anything and just keep asking stupid questions

Well we all know those don't exist in mmo's...

Your point being...?

Of course there are plenty of idiots asking stupid questions on every game forum, but if you think that's is the case here you need to do your homework. Commited fans (some of them long-term players who have supported the game for years and paid these amateur's salaries) posting legitimate concerns should not be treated like idiots by a lead dev just because he failed to deliver yet again.

  OG_Zorvan

Apprentice Member

Joined: 8/31/12
Posts: 646

10/09/12 4:14:42 PM#12
Originally posted by xDayx
Its too ambitious of a game for Starvault.   

RealmCrafter would confuse and overwhelm these idiots.

EA CEO John Riccitiello's on future microtransactions: "When you are six hours into playing Battlefield and you run out of ammo in your clip, and we ask you for a dollar to reload, you're really not very price sensitive at that point in time...We're not gouging, but we're charging."

  hungerjack

Novice Member

Joined: 10/09/12
Posts: 14

10/09/12 8:28:14 PM#13
Originally posted by Biskop

It's disturbing how he thinks he's in a position to mock the playerbase by mimicking some imaginary "ZOMG U SUX ROFL" speech. He treats his paying customers like spoiled children who don't understand anything and just keep asking stupid questions, which is bizarre given the circumstances.

SV should be on their fucking knees begging people to keep playing their broken game, instead of talking down to the few people who still support them.

But it's the way it has always been - before a major patch there's a lot of hype-talk and dev activity on the forums, outlining all the awesomeness to come. Then when the patch finally arrives, underwhelming everyone and breaking everything, there is silence and censorship, threads being removed and people banned for asking legitimate questions, etc.

Then, when the complaints reach an uncontrollable level, one of the SV guys may stoop to post some "explanation" as to why X and Y is not working as intended, usually ridden with some fake-ass technical jargon to make it look more professional. The fanbois rave and applaud because the glorious leaders deemed them worthy of a reply, while everybody else just frown and wonder how an arrogant-styled "explanation" will actually fix everything that is missing and/or broken.

Still, people who buy all the bs hype have themselves to blame. Most sensible people were very skeptical about SV's ability to deliver a patch of this magnitude - and as usual, the skeptics were right. Given SV's track record you have to be either extremely stupid, extremely naïve, or extremely brainwashed to expect anything less than a disaster when they attempt to "revolutionize" something.

 

Edit: Just read the whole thread. I can't believe people actually go out of their way to "help" these guys, putting videos together, posting detailed accounts of AI bugs, etc, as if that would somehow make Sebastian capable of fixing stuff once and for all.

Isn't it very obvious by now that this guy has no damn clue what he's doing? A professional dev team test their stuff before release, they don't just throw some new code out there and see what happens, letting paying customers do detailed bug reports and quailty testing for them (which still doesn't help ofc). I mean, he coded the damned thing and he still don't know what the problems are?

Fucking pathetic.

Wow you hit the nail on the head!

  Hancakes

Novice Member

Joined: 2/06/11
Posts: 1106

10/10/12 12:53:27 AM#14

Incompetence?

 

 

/end thread

  argirop

Elite Member

Joined: 6/05/09
Posts: 326

10/10/12 5:49:44 AM#15
After all this time around SV on and off in MO i m convinced that bugs will driven out of the game obly if theres a possibility for them to die from natural causes, old age or accidents. No one is expecting anymore from SV to fix the game.
  SaintPhilip

Novice Member

Joined: 3/22/12
Posts: 729

10/10/12 8:08:29 AM#16

So....Some folks on the thread linked have also felt the attitude of Seb (making fun of the supporters of the game who are seeking the answer as to why basic systems still do not work after 2+ years and untold amounts of money) and Seb said he was essentially "making a joke..."

-If it was a joke it was in VERY BAD taste...

To look at it a different way- Imagine a Chef who has worked in an establishment for over 2 years. The Buisness looked very promising and for the first few Months the lines of people waiting to get a table stretched around the Block. Yes the food was burned or undercooked, yes the portions were small, yes the service kind of sucked, yes it was very expensive- BUT the type of food they were serving was something we were promised could be found nowhere else... So we ate there, and continued to eat there in hopes that the chef and the service would improve with time (After all- This food was supposed to really be something special and unique and we wanted to give the Chef the time needed to Master the culinary skill of this cuisine...)

A few Months later (with no impovements to the food and service) the complaints start rolling in. The Critics have given this eatery bad reviews. The lines  of folks waiting for a table are gone. The entire place is now half empty... The Chef and the Customers who are left begin making fun of the people and critics by saying "They have no refined taste like WE do...They should just eat at Mcdonalds since..."

A couple YEARS later (...now) the entire place is mostly empty. Rats and Roaches scurry across the floor. The paint is peeling, the bathroom filthy, the carpet hasnt been vaccumed in months, the Kitchen is a mess, the waitstaff are rude and unkempt and the food has gotten worse...Yes worse.

The Chef still cannot make a Hamburger properly, still burn steaks, undercooks noodles , burns water and generally makes unedible food in tiny portions for TOP DOLLAR...

His remaining few customers want answers.

"We supported you for years" they say.... "Why is our food still coming out so horrible? Why is the waitstaff so rude? Why ? We have politly been telling you for years what is wrong- We have given you time to fix these things...We WANT to love the food you cook. We WANT to believe your promises...What is going on here???"

The Chef then makes fun of them by replying " Blah, blah, crying about why I burn food and wait people is rude, blah blah... I tell you why. It because good food takes time..."

-Then he says he was joking...

The joke wasnt funny since he has ran this place into the ground and ripped his customers off at every turn with sub par and undercooked shit thrown on a plate.

-EDIT- The Buisness needs a complete restructure from managment on down the line. It will never happen (should have happened long ago) and with SV's stellar customer support and the way they handle complaints- Its just a matter of time and they will be Unemployed- Thank God.

 

  Jakdstripper

Apprentice Member

Joined: 2/14/10
Posts: 2108

10/10/12 9:26:45 AM#17

we have always known what is wrong with the AI: it doesn't work because of crappy code.

 

wake up dudes. SV does not have good coders. never had, never will. it was a incredibly ambitious project even if they had had professionals. what the heck do you think happens if you try and build a race car from scratch? it most likely wont work, and if it does it wont work worth a damn.

 

RIP Mortal Online.

  TsaboHavoc

Novice Member

Joined: 11/01/11
Posts: 340

10/10/12 9:48:39 AM#18

i remember i saw a guy here posting that codding is like building, "if the foundations are fked up u have to start all over again".

MO foundations are screwed and its clear that the game is beyond repair, even worse, beyond repair in SV hands.

  olepi

Advanced Member

Joined: 1/15/07
Posts: 976

10/10/12 10:04:31 AM#19

I tried MO in the beginning, for about 5 minutes. 

The thing that gets me about this is that SV would release something that is obviously broken. As a software developer, I know there are three main stages of design:

1) alpha -- each independent piece of code works, at least to some extent. None of it has been tested in the full context, but unit tests pass.

2) beta -- the whole game is put together, and each unit is then tested in the full context. Since each unit passed alpha, the only real problems should be coming from integration problems, not individual unit problems.

3) release -- the whole game is together, and has passed beta tests. Everything is supposed to work.

It seems SV releases right after alpha (or even possibly before). They apparently are counting on their paying customers to do beta testing, since it appears obvious that SV doesn't test the game themselves.

Hard to believe someone could stay in business for years doing that ....

------------
RIP City of Heroes. One of my favorite MMO's.

  Darth_Osor

Apprentice Member

Joined: 2/17/09
Posts: 1102

Just because you are unique does not mean you are special

10/10/12 1:53:53 PM#20

Hmm let me get this straight...

1) Dev of failing game holding on by a thread makes a response mocking customers.

2) Thread goes nearly two pages of fanboys thanking dev for response.

3) Two customers who finally call out dev for his attitude are promptly attacked by fanboys.

My God...this is hilarious. 

3 Pages 1 2 3 » Search