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General Discussion  » Do you feel lied to, by Bioware/EA over SWTOR in some manner?

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  Vunak23

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Joined: 11/27/10
Posts: 660

In your house Eatin' your Cookies!

10/09/12 7:45:10 PM#41
Yes. I was told there was going to be meaningful world pvp (the only reason I really bought it)... Yea that turned out to be false. 

"In the immediate future, we have this one, and then we’ve got another one that is actually going to be – so we’re going to have, what we want to do, is in January, what we’re targeting to do, this may or may not happen, so you can’t hold me to it. But what we’re targeting to do, is have a fun anniversary to the Ilum shenanigans that happened. An alien race might invade, and they might crash into Ilum and there might be some new activities that happen on the planet." ~Gabe Amatangelo

  Beyorn

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Joined: 10/27/08
Posts: 238

10/09/12 7:48:20 PM#42

Found It!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsstVnVTRyU

 

Mr. Ohlen talks about it at about 1:18.  i was hoping at the time this would be something other than raids/groups fighting bosses but I realize now how naive I was ;(.

  channel84

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Joined: 10/19/06
Posts: 600

10/09/12 7:48:33 PM#43

Having beta weekend and tons of info and video and gameplay info before release etc etc

I've been able to make up my mind clearly not to buy it and if anyone is buying this game due to hype and without proper research then i don't think there's anyone to blame. Frankly i don't blame the PR/marketing for hyping this game up as it's their job and it's call advertising. But over the top fan boy of bioware that believe bioware could do no wrong is what strike me as disappointing. Luckily most mmo vet here know better ^^

  niceguy3978

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Joined: 6/14/06
Posts: 2016

10/09/12 7:51:09 PM#44
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by niceguy3978
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by niceguy3978
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by Vladamyre
No I don't feel that I was lied to. I do feel that I was cheated on the price of the game. It wasn't worth $5.00.

You would think that people don't buy cat in the bag. Whenever I buy something (anything) I first check multiple sources/reviews to find out if I actually want it. In case of games I got burned on AoC, Aion and Rift, but I do not complain. It was my choice to get ithese games and I sucked it up. My decision and consequences are mine too. It is called personal responsibility.

Content updates?  OK if thats not enought, how about fast content updates.  What about free updates?  "Makeb" might not be free..

James Ohlen

January 23, 2012

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/01/23/the-challenge-of-creating-star-wars-the-old-republic

The quality, the polish has to be very, very high, and then you need to have a plan to continue to deliver free content on a regular basis.

 

The graphics deatil in the trailer's was amazing, then when the game released, suddenly the detail of the trailers were an accident, not representive of the actual game?

 

By proclaiming themselves as a competitor to WoW, this implied longevity in a game that would replace WoW (I don't play WoW anymore anyways).  MMORPG's nowadays just stink :(

 

Rated Battlegrounds coming in 1.2.  Nope just kidding, they will be Coming Soon though, even though we just cancelled it a day before the big patch.  If you resubscribed because of this, sorry, no refunds!  "We value PVP in our game".  Later, let us put mechanisms for Rated groups to queue against Pugs, while they wait, so they can stomp them.

 

GM tickets, "Thank you, this will be looked into".  Really?

 

SGRA?  Super Secret Space Project?

 

We are actively working to optimize the SWTOR graphics engine, still ongoing.

EA - Aug 27, 2012:

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=5091079#post5091079

Hey all, I just wanted to pop in and say we are actively working on various optimizations (both server and client) and will continue to do so. It's extremely important for us to continually make improvements to our technology so we can have users across a variety of system specs and support large living worlds for those users to craft their virtual lives.

 

We want fights to feel heroic, so you wont have a dozen people whacking away at one mob (paraphrased).

 

The Collectors Edition.  WOW what a betrayal.  Worth $150, but then worth $20 at Best Buy / Kmart and others as retailers dump this title, because it is going F2P.

 

SWTOR won't go F2P.

Greg Zeschuk

Dec 28th 2011

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/12/28/bioware-docs-defend-subscription-model-tease-free-to-play-itera/

"The free-to-play people can't invest to the level we can invest, and can't create something of the size and scale of something we can create."

 

Just some off the top of my head.

As far as I know or  have evidence of, they believed those things when they stated them, therefore, I don't feel lied to as a lie has premeditation.

Then the game is just stinky now for no apparent reason.  Lets not look at the past.  Ignore all the statements from past EA/BioWAre employees, and lets just focus on the present.

 

WE AS SW FANS CAN'T POSSIBLE FANTHAM WHY THIS GAME ISN'T DOING WELL? WTF??

better?

Not really, because I have no idea why you don't like the game.  "Stinky" isn't a reason.  Look at the past all you want, it tells you how you got to the present, but that doesn't make anything you quoted a lie.  If Bioware made a bad design choice, I doubt they were sitting around in a room saying "hmmm.  how can we really piss people off and ruin our reputation?"  Again, you may believe they intentionally misled you, but I don't believe that.

Stinky is just a descriptor.  Well when stuff gets said, and it doesn't come to pass, I call it a lie.  Either the rules changes or it was ignored (in which you may call it legit, I call it still a lie).

 

BioWare doesn't exist anymore (http://www.gamespot.com/news/ea-buying-bioware-pandemic-for-860m-6180818).  Sold in 2007.  Reputation was out the door at that point; there was no reputation.  Just do your job for EA and get paid.

 

EA & it's BioWare studio made plenty of lies, don't fool youtself.

Without intent, there is no lie.  I don't really know what else to say.  As far as the reputation part that is a separate issue.  I could replace the line about reputation with: I doubt they were sitting around in a room saying "hmmm.  how can we really piss people off and make them not want to subscribe?"

 It doesn't really matter though as you believe they lied to you and I really have no vested interest in trying to change your mind on that.  So we have reached a point in the discussion where there really is no reason to continue.  We will both just keep saying the same things over and over again in new ways using different words.  So, I will bow out and do the stuff I have been avoiding through forum discussion procrastination.

  Arakane

Advanced Member

Joined: 7/25/03
Posts: 183

" in search of The Lost Chord"

10/09/12 7:53:40 PM#45

 

 

 Hmmn, not  really "lied to", I just couldn't get past the fact of being unable to really explore,and the environments really werent  interactive enough for me. I loved it at first and it does have some features I really liked, though not the graphics,lol,so I had to move on.

  SoulStain

Novice Member

Joined: 9/07/12
Posts: 204

10/09/12 7:59:02 PM#46
Originally posted by niceguy3978
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by niceguy3978
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by niceguy3978
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by Vladamyre
No I don't feel that I was lied to. I do feel that I was cheated on the price of the game. It wasn't worth $5.00.

You would think that people don't buy cat in the bag. Whenever I buy something (anything) I first check multiple sources/reviews to find out if I actually want it. In case of games I got burned on AoC, Aion and Rift, but I do not complain. It was my choice to get ithese games and I sucked it up. My decision and consequences are mine too. It is called personal responsibility.

Content updates?  OK if thats not enought, how about fast content updates.  What about free updates?  "Makeb" might not be free..

James Ohlen

January 23, 2012

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/01/23/the-challenge-of-creating-star-wars-the-old-republic

The quality, the polish has to be very, very high, and then you need to have a plan to continue to deliver free content on a regular basis.

 

The graphics deatil in the trailer's was amazing, then when the game released, suddenly the detail of the trailers were an accident, not representive of the actual game?

 

By proclaiming themselves as a competitor to WoW, this implied longevity in a game that would replace WoW (I don't play WoW anymore anyways).  MMORPG's nowadays just stink :(

 

Rated Battlegrounds coming in 1.2.  Nope just kidding, they will be Coming Soon though, even though we just cancelled it a day before the big patch.  If you resubscribed because of this, sorry, no refunds!  "We value PVP in our game".  Later, let us put mechanisms for Rated groups to queue against Pugs, while they wait, so they can stomp them.

 

GM tickets, "Thank you, this will be looked into".  Really?

 

SGRA?  Super Secret Space Project?

 

We are actively working to optimize the SWTOR graphics engine, still ongoing.

EA - Aug 27, 2012:

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=5091079#post5091079

Hey all, I just wanted to pop in and say we are actively working on various optimizations (both server and client) and will continue to do so. It's extremely important for us to continually make improvements to our technology so we can have users across a variety of system specs and support large living worlds for those users to craft their virtual lives.

 

We want fights to feel heroic, so you wont have a dozen people whacking away at one mob (paraphrased).

 

The Collectors Edition.  WOW what a betrayal.  Worth $150, but then worth $20 at Best Buy / Kmart and others as retailers dump this title, because it is going F2P.

 

SWTOR won't go F2P.

Greg Zeschuk

Dec 28th 2011

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/12/28/bioware-docs-defend-subscription-model-tease-free-to-play-itera/

"The free-to-play people can't invest to the level we can invest, and can't create something of the size and scale of something we can create."

 

Just some off the top of my head.

As far as I know or  have evidence of, they believed those things when they stated them, therefore, I don't feel lied to as a lie has premeditation.

Then the game is just stinky now for no apparent reason.  Lets not look at the past.  Ignore all the statements from past EA/BioWAre employees, and lets just focus on the present.

 

WE AS SW FANS CAN'T POSSIBLE FANTHAM WHY THIS GAME ISN'T DOING WELL? WTF??

better?

Not really, because I have no idea why you don't like the game.  "Stinky" isn't a reason.  Look at the past all you want, it tells you how you got to the present, but that doesn't make anything you quoted a lie.  If Bioware made a bad design choice, I doubt they were sitting around in a room saying "hmmm.  how can we really piss people off and ruin our reputation?"  Again, you may believe they intentionally misled you, but I don't believe that.

Stinky is just a descriptor.  Well when stuff gets said, and it doesn't come to pass, I call it a lie.  Either the rules changes or it was ignored (in which you may call it legit, I call it still a lie).

 

BioWare doesn't exist anymore (http://www.gamespot.com/news/ea-buying-bioware-pandemic-for-860m-6180818).  Sold in 2007.  Reputation was out the door at that point; there was no reputation.  Just do your job for EA and get paid.

 

EA & it's BioWare studio made plenty of lies, don't fool youtself.

Without intent, there is no lie.  I don't really know what else to say.  As far as the reputation part that is a separate issue.  I could replace the line about reputation with: I doubt they were sitting around in a room saying "hmmm.  how can we really piss people off and make them not want to subscribe?"

 It doesn't really matter though as you believe they lied to you and I really have no vested interest in trying to change your mind on that.  So we have reached a point in the discussion where there really is no reason to continue.  We will both just keep saying the same things over and over again in new ways using different words.  So, I will bow out and do the stuff I have been avoiding through forum discussion procrastination.

Agreed..was  going to post a similar response but yours is just a good.

  Karteli

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Joined: 7/09/12
Posts: 2704

10/09/12 8:00:04 PM#47
Originally posted by Beyorn

Found It!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsstVnVTRyU

 

Mr. Ohlen talks about it at about 1:18.  i was hoping at the time this would be something other than raids/groups fighting bosses but I realize now how naive I was ;(.

Thats' the quote right there,

 

"One of the problem of other MMO combats is umm you also have scenarios where you have multiple heroes beating on a single enemy.  And that just isn't very heroic."

 

Lovely, is this content raid patch 1.6 then?  Face it, by Ohlen's own definition all raid content to date wasn't very heroic.

 

The SWTOR leader (who hasn't been fired or asked to leave) has spoken!

 

 

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  niceguy3978

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Joined: 6/14/06
Posts: 2016

10/09/12 8:00:13 PM#48
Originally posted by Beyorn
I feel a little lied to.  The one that really sticks in my mind is about how unheroic it was for a group of players to beat on one mob.  Well you can see how far that went ;(.  I wish I could find the video he said that in.  My search-fu is rusty.

Watched the video and he says about 10 seconds later that "what is heroic is a hero facing unbeatable odds against multiple enemies."  So they replaced pulling one mob with you fighting the infamous "pack of three."  Which didn't feel very heroic either, but that is my opinion so I can't say he lied to me as I know others feel differently.  

Okay, I really gotta get out of here and go grade some papers.

  Kyleran

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10/09/12 8:23:26 PM#49

Nope, pretty much everything they said prior to launch indicated this would be a theme park MMO with a heavy emphasis on prescripted storyline plot.

Delivered exactly what they said they would, WOW in Space.

I was surprised about the lack of a decent space game, but then again, that's not really what Bioware's known for so perhaps I shouldn't have been.

 

Arrogant, Condescending, Dismissive, Elitist, "Meany", you speak as if these are bad things?
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  MMOman101

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10/09/12 8:29:20 PM#50

If anyone feels lied to it is because they did not pay attention.

 

The space combat was exactly what they said.

 

The story line and linear game play was exactly what they said.

 

They told us exactly what it would be.  Some people were just to decadent to listen and have no one to blame but themselves. 

  Draron

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10/09/12 8:29:28 PM#51
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Beyorn

Found It!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsstVnVTRyU

 

Mr. Ohlen talks about it at about 1:18.  i was hoping at the time this would be something other than raids/groups fighting bosses but I realize now how naive I was ;(.

Thats' the quote right there,

 

"One of the problem of other MMO combats is umm you also have scenarios where you have multiple heroes beating on a single enemy.  And that just isn't very heroic."

 

Lovely, is this content raid patch 1.6 then?  Face it, by Ohlen's own definition all raid content to date wasn't very heroic.

 

The SWTOR leader (who hasn't been fired or asked to leave) has spoken!

Did you listen to the next few seconds? Don't wanna get caught with egg on your face.

"What is heroic is a hero facing unbeatable odds against multiple enemies."

They made most trash mob encounters against multiple enemies. 

  Entris38

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Posts: 273

10/09/12 8:36:36 PM#52
It was nearly exactly what I thought it would be. Pre-ordered after I was in vited to beta. I am currently back playing it again. I really never understood all the hate, I did my homework, and knew what I was buying. I never expected it to be some kind of savior and not everything developers say or wish to happen actually work out in the end. I'm ok with that. I wish they would add a real space portion to the game instead of the silly arcade game.
  Atrocitus

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Posts: 75

10/09/12 8:39:15 PM#53
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by Vladamyre
No I don't feel that I was lied to. I do feel that I was cheated on the price of the game. It wasn't worth $5.00.

You would think that people don't buy cat in the bag. Whenever I buy something (anything) I first check multiple sources/reviews to find out if I actually want it. In case of games I got burned on AoC, Aion and Rift, but I do not complain. It was my choice to get ithese games and I sucked it up. My decision and consequences are mine too. It is called personal responsibility.

Content updates?  OK if thats not enought, how about fast content updates.  What about free updates?  "Makeb" might not be free..

James Ohlen

January 23, 2012

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/01/23/the-challenge-of-creating-star-wars-the-old-republic

The quality, the polish has to be very, very high, and then you need to have a plan to continue to deliver free content on a regular basis.

 

The graphics deatil in the trailer's was amazing, then when the game released, suddenly the detail of the trailers were an accident, not representive of the actual game?

 

By proclaiming themselves as a competitor to WoW, this implied longevity in a game that would replace WoW (I don't play WoW anymore anyways).  MMORPG's nowadays just stink :(

 

Rated Battlegrounds coming in 1.2.  Nope just kidding, they will be Coming Soon though, even though we just cancelled it a day before the big patch.  If you resubscribed because of this, sorry, no refunds!  "We value PVP in our game".  Later, let us put mechanisms for Rated groups to queue against Pugs, while they wait, so they can stomp them.

 

GM tickets, "Thank you, this will be looked into".  Really?

 

SGRA?  Super Secret Space Project?

 

We are actively working to optimize the SWTOR graphics engine, still ongoing.

EA - Aug 27, 2012:

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=5091079#post5091079

Hey all, I just wanted to pop in and say we are actively working on various optimizations (both server and client) and will continue to do so. It's extremely important for us to continually make improvements to our technology so we can have users across a variety of system specs and support large living worlds for those users to craft their virtual lives.

 

We want fights to feel heroic, so you wont have a dozen people whacking away at one mob (paraphrased).

 

The Collectors Edition.  WOW what a betrayal.  Worth $150, but then worth $20 at Best Buy / Kmart and others as retailers dump this title, because it is going F2P.

 

SWTOR won't go F2P.

Greg Zeschuk

Dec 28th 2011

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/12/28/bioware-docs-defend-subscription-model-tease-free-to-play-itera/

"The free-to-play people can't invest to the level we can invest, and can't create something of the size and scale of something we can create."

 

Just some off the top of my head.

The hate is very strong in this one!!!!

 

 

And this is how you dodge the subject when you have been shown exactly how wrong you are..........

 

Just point out some perceived 'flaw' in the poster,  go on the attack.......Try to get the readers to avoid the fact that you have been owned...

  Atrocitus

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10/09/12 8:41:56 PM#54

LMAO

 

OF COURSE BIO LIED..........They lied about multiple things, they also participated in the 'lie of omission'.....

 

 

If anyone thinks any different, then you are naive....A silly optimist that has blinders on...

 

 

lol, of course Bio lied............

  Deewe

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Posts: 1984

10/09/12 8:46:11 PM#55
Originally posted by MMOExposed
Do you feel lied to, by Bioware/EA over SWTOR in some manner?

if so, what you feel was a lie told by them regarding SWTOR?

At this point don't care at all.

 

I just hope they're going to start  getting a clue and start fixing the game starting with rolling back Commando nerfs fomr 1.4 and moving away from StunWars in PvP which has gotten worse lately.

 

Seeing how even this part of the forum is dead on MMORPG.com side is depressing.

  Beyorn

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Posts: 238

10/09/12 8:51:10 PM#56
Originally posted by Draron
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Beyorn

Found It!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsstVnVTRyU

 

Mr. Ohlen talks about it at about 1:18.  i was hoping at the time this would be something other than raids/groups fighting bosses but I realize now how naive I was ;(.

Thats' the quote right there,

 

"One of the problem of other MMO combats is umm you also have scenarios where you have multiple heroes beating on a single enemy.  And that just isn't very heroic."

 

Lovely, is this content raid patch 1.6 then?  Face it, by Ohlen's own definition all raid content to date wasn't very heroic.

 

The SWTOR leader (who hasn't been fired or asked to leave) has spoken!

Did you listen to the next few seconds? Don't wanna get caught with egg on your face.

"What is heroic is a hero facing unbeatable odds against multiple enemies."

They made most trash mob encounters against multiple enemies. 

I personally like the groups of mobs solo but i was hoping for something different group wise.  That is what I thought he ment anyway the first time I heard it.  I was REALLY hoping raiding would die in a horrible fire!! 

I'm kidding of course but I'm so sick of what devs insist end game should be.  i would like to see someone do something new.  Granted I have no idea what that something would be but I can hope =D.

And before I'm butchered I know there is alot of people that like raiding, I have just got tired of it over the last 10+ years. 

No raiders were hurt during the creation of this post.

  Sevenstar61

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Joined: 7/22/12
Posts: 1686

"But it was so artistically done..." - Grand Admiral Thrawn's final words

10/09/12 8:52:37 PM#57
Originally posted by Draron
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Beyorn

Found It!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsstVnVTRyU

 

Mr. Ohlen talks about it at about 1:18.  i was hoping at the time this would be something other than raids/groups fighting bosses but I realize now how naive I was ;(.

Thats' the quote right there,

 

"One of the problem of other MMO combats is umm you also have scenarios where you have multiple heroes beating on a single enemy.  And that just isn't very heroic."

 

Lovely, is this content raid patch 1.6 then?  Face it, by Ohlen's own definition all raid content to date wasn't very heroic.

 

The SWTOR leader (who hasn't been fired or asked to leave) has spoken!

Did you listen to the next few seconds? Don't wanna get caught with egg on your face.

"What is heroic is a hero facing unbeatable odds against multiple enemies."

They made most trash mob encounters against multiple enemies. 

OMG... SWTOR is the biggest LIE EVER. There are single mobs in SWTOR and Ohlen said that there will be only super duper unbeatable crazy bastards arse kicking mobs challenging players.... This game needs to die!!!!!!!! OMG please somebody kill this game!!!! I can't take it anymore!!!!!!!

No matter that majority of mobs in SWTOR are multiple encounders - there are some single!!! What a LIE!!!!!

Grow up guys. Some of you are really borderline obseesive. What is it in this game that brings so much raw hatred is beyond me. No wonder that this world is on brink of destruction.

Spread the love guys instead of hate. At least a little bit of it.


Sith Warrior - Story of Hate and Love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKrlwXt7Ao
Imperial Agent - Rise of Cipher Nine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBBj3eJWBvU&feature=youtu.be
Imperial Agent - Hunt for the Eagle Part 1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQqjYYU128E

  Dreamo84

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Joined: 5/20/04
Posts: 3187

I actually still like MMORPGs

10/09/12 8:56:43 PM#58
From what I hear, Bioware just didn't listen to their testers and went with a more single player design rather than MMO.

  jacklo

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Joined: 7/29/09
Posts: 583

10/09/12 8:59:14 PM#59

I would certainly call it lieing when they didn't deliver on much of what they promised, or if you want to be picky, they under-delivered.

I really wanted to experience the large scale, open world PvP. Hmm, it could hardly cope with Huttball.

If you enjoy cut-scenes, this is the game for you. Such a shame that other MMO's do EVERYTHING ELSE BETTER.

Buying SWTOR was the biggest mistake I made in 30 years of gaming.

  eddieg50

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Joined: 6/22/05
Posts: 1548

10/09/12 9:00:24 PM#60
  from everything I read and from playing beta, NO I do not feel lied to,
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