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General Discussion  » Do you feel lied to, by Bioware/EA over SWTOR in some manner?

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  Ahnog

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Posts: 230

10/09/12 5:57:25 PM#21
No

Ahnog

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  Draron

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Joined: 5/07/11
Posts: 1009

10/09/12 5:59:47 PM#22
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

The hate is very strong in this one!!!!

Don't hate on me :-)

Sevenstar61 isn't the one hating. Just sayin'.

 

Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Ahnog
No

Seems there's one person hating in this thread. I don't usually call someone out, but when they answer a topic and you use an overly sarcastic remark putting words in there mouth, I just have to.

 

On topic: No.

  halflife25

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Joined: 9/13/12
Posts: 787

10/09/12 6:01:37 PM#23
Nope i dpn't feel i was lied to. BW was very open about SWTOR. I did my research and enjoyed my one month of play time. I will go back again once i can afford to spend more time gaming.
  Ahnog

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Joined: 7/18/05
Posts: 230

10/09/12 6:02:50 PM#24
You put words in my mouth. No was a simple answer to the question asked. I am unaware of any lie from BW or EA. That's all "no" meant.

Ahnog

Hokey religions are no replacement for a good blaster at your side.

http://www.ahnog.us

  Karteli

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Joined: 7/09/12
Posts: 2704

10/09/12 6:08:20 PM#25
Originally posted by Ahnog
You put words in my mouth. No was a simple answer to the question asked. I am unaware of any lie from BW or EA. That's all "no" meant.

Did you read my post in this thread, or would you like to continue to bury your head in the sand?  You are "unaware", because you don't read anything.  I guess you argue that SWTOR was never meant to compete with WoW too.  You might be still saying that SWTOR still has 999,999 subs because this is less than 1 mil, but more than 500k.

 

Who are you supporting here .. EA, or a better SW game?

 

lol putting words in your moth .. MmmmHmmm....

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  halflife25

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Joined: 9/13/12
Posts: 787

10/09/12 6:11:29 PM#26
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Ahnog
You put words in my mouth. No was a simple answer to the question asked. I am unaware of any lie from BW or EA. That's all "no" meant.

Did you read my post in this thread, or would you like to continue to bury your head in the sand?  You are "unaware", because you don't read anything.  I guess you argue that SWTOR was never meant to compete with WoW too.  You might be still saying that SWTOR still has 999,999 subs because this is less than 1 mil, but more than 500k.

 

Who are you supporting here .. EA, or a better SW game?

 

lol putting words in your moth .. MmmmHmmm....

Why are you jumping on people who think they were not lied to? you really need to dial back a little bro. No need to harass people for giving their opinion.

  Draron

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Posts: 1009

10/09/12 6:15:13 PM#27
Originally posted by halflife25

Why are you jumping on people who think they were not lied to? you really need to dial back a little bro. No need to harass people for giving their opinion.

Reading this post renews my faith in these forums. Grats to you.

  Sovrath

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Joined: 1/06/05
Posts: 17127

10/09/12 6:16:33 PM#28
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Ahnog
No

Or maybe, being a person who played bioware games before, he feels the game is what they said it would be.

Oh sure, they messed up on the pvp planet but the game plays like a bioware game with traditional mmo trappings. Which, is what they said it would be.

If you can point me toward a claim where they stated dynamic worlds or everyone gets to have their own captial ship then I would concede your point.

Now, are you arguing that they lied or that they overestimated what their game design was going to do?

Because your reaction suggests the former.

  niceguy3978

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Joined: 6/14/06
Posts: 1992

10/09/12 6:18:16 PM#29
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by Vladamyre
No I don't feel that I was lied to. I do feel that I was cheated on the price of the game. It wasn't worth $5.00.

You would think that people don't buy cat in the bag. Whenever I buy something (anything) I first check multiple sources/reviews to find out if I actually want it. In case of games I got burned on AoC, Aion and Rift, but I do not complain. It was my choice to get ithese games and I sucked it up. My decision and consequences are mine too. It is called personal responsibility.

Content updates?  OK if thats not enought, how about fast content updates.  What about free updates?  "Makeb" might not be free..

James Ohlen

January 23, 2012

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/01/23/the-challenge-of-creating-star-wars-the-old-republic

The quality, the polish has to be very, very high, and then you need to have a plan to continue to deliver free content on a regular basis.

 

The graphics deatil in the trailer's was amazing, then when the game released, suddenly the detail of the trailers were an accident, not representive of the actual game?

 

By proclaiming themselves as a competitor to WoW, this implied longevity in a game that would replace WoW (I don't play WoW anymore anyways).  MMORPG's nowadays just stink :(

 

Rated Battlegrounds coming in 1.2.  Nope just kidding, they will be Coming Soon though, even though we just cancelled it a day before the big patch.  If you resubscribed because of this, sorry, no refunds!  "We value PVP in our game".  Later, let us put mechanisms for Rated groups to queue against Pugs, while they wait, so they can stomp them.

 

GM tickets, "Thank you, this will be looked into".  Really?

 

SGRA?  Super Secret Space Project?

 

We are actively working to optimize the SWTOR graphics engine, still ongoing.

EA - Aug 27, 2012:

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=5091079#post5091079

Hey all, I just wanted to pop in and say we are actively working on various optimizations (both server and client) and will continue to do so. It's extremely important for us to continually make improvements to our technology so we can have users across a variety of system specs and support large living worlds for those users to craft their virtual lives.

 

We want fights to feel heroic, so you wont have a dozen people whacking away at one mob (paraphrased).

 

The Collectors Edition.  WOW what a betrayal.  Worth $150, but then worth $20 at Best Buy / Kmart and others as retailers dump this title, because it is going F2P.

 

SWTOR won't go F2P.

Greg Zeschuk

Dec 28th 2011

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/12/28/bioware-docs-defend-subscription-model-tease-free-to-play-itera/

"The free-to-play people can't invest to the level we can invest, and can't create something of the size and scale of something we can create."

 

Just some off the top of my head.

As far as I know or  have evidence of, they believed those things when they stated them, therefore, I don't feel lied to as a lie has premeditation.

  ktanner3

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Joined: 3/19/06
Posts: 4146

Trolls will be ignored

10/09/12 6:23:21 PM#30
Nope. I got exactly what I was expecting and enjoyed every moment that I was in game back when I played it. Couldn't have been happier with that purchase :)

Currently Playing: Star Wars The Old Republic

  Karteli

Apprentice Member

Joined: 7/09/12
Posts: 2704

10/09/12 6:26:05 PM#31
Originally posted by niceguy3978
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by Vladamyre
No I don't feel that I was lied to. I do feel that I was cheated on the price of the game. It wasn't worth $5.00.

You would think that people don't buy cat in the bag. Whenever I buy something (anything) I first check multiple sources/reviews to find out if I actually want it. In case of games I got burned on AoC, Aion and Rift, but I do not complain. It was my choice to get ithese games and I sucked it up. My decision and consequences are mine too. It is called personal responsibility.

Content updates?  OK if thats not enought, how about fast content updates.  What about free updates?  "Makeb" might not be free..

James Ohlen

January 23, 2012

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/01/23/the-challenge-of-creating-star-wars-the-old-republic

The quality, the polish has to be very, very high, and then you need to have a plan to continue to deliver free content on a regular basis.

 

The graphics deatil in the trailer's was amazing, then when the game released, suddenly the detail of the trailers were an accident, not representive of the actual game?

 

By proclaiming themselves as a competitor to WoW, this implied longevity in a game that would replace WoW (I don't play WoW anymore anyways).  MMORPG's nowadays just stink :(

 

Rated Battlegrounds coming in 1.2.  Nope just kidding, they will be Coming Soon though, even though we just cancelled it a day before the big patch.  If you resubscribed because of this, sorry, no refunds!  "We value PVP in our game".  Later, let us put mechanisms for Rated groups to queue against Pugs, while they wait, so they can stomp them.

 

GM tickets, "Thank you, this will be looked into".  Really?

 

SGRA?  Super Secret Space Project?

 

We are actively working to optimize the SWTOR graphics engine, still ongoing.

EA - Aug 27, 2012:

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=5091079#post5091079

Hey all, I just wanted to pop in and say we are actively working on various optimizations (both server and client) and will continue to do so. It's extremely important for us to continually make improvements to our technology so we can have users across a variety of system specs and support large living worlds for those users to craft their virtual lives.

 

We want fights to feel heroic, so you wont have a dozen people whacking away at one mob (paraphrased).

 

The Collectors Edition.  WOW what a betrayal.  Worth $150, but then worth $20 at Best Buy / Kmart and others as retailers dump this title, because it is going F2P.

 

SWTOR won't go F2P.

Greg Zeschuk

Dec 28th 2011

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/12/28/bioware-docs-defend-subscription-model-tease-free-to-play-itera/

"The free-to-play people can't invest to the level we can invest, and can't create something of the size and scale of something we can create."

 

Just some off the top of my head.

As far as I know or  have evidence of, they believed those things when they stated them, therefore, I don't feel lied to as a lie has premeditation.

Then the game is just stinky now for no apparent reason.  Lets not look at the past.  Ignore all the statements from past EA/BioWAre employees, and lets just focus on the present.

 

WE AS SW FANS CAN'T POSSIBLY FANTHAM WHY THIS GAME ISN'T DOING WELL? WTF??

better?

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  niceguy3978

Elite Member

Joined: 6/14/06
Posts: 1992

10/09/12 6:29:51 PM#32
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by niceguy3978
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by Vladamyre
No I don't feel that I was lied to. I do feel that I was cheated on the price of the game. It wasn't worth $5.00.

You would think that people don't buy cat in the bag. Whenever I buy something (anything) I first check multiple sources/reviews to find out if I actually want it. In case of games I got burned on AoC, Aion and Rift, but I do not complain. It was my choice to get ithese games and I sucked it up. My decision and consequences are mine too. It is called personal responsibility.

Content updates?  OK if thats not enought, how about fast content updates.  What about free updates?  "Makeb" might not be free..

James Ohlen

January 23, 2012

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/01/23/the-challenge-of-creating-star-wars-the-old-republic

The quality, the polish has to be very, very high, and then you need to have a plan to continue to deliver free content on a regular basis.

 

The graphics deatil in the trailer's was amazing, then when the game released, suddenly the detail of the trailers were an accident, not representive of the actual game?

 

By proclaiming themselves as a competitor to WoW, this implied longevity in a game that would replace WoW (I don't play WoW anymore anyways).  MMORPG's nowadays just stink :(

 

Rated Battlegrounds coming in 1.2.  Nope just kidding, they will be Coming Soon though, even though we just cancelled it a day before the big patch.  If you resubscribed because of this, sorry, no refunds!  "We value PVP in our game".  Later, let us put mechanisms for Rated groups to queue against Pugs, while they wait, so they can stomp them.

 

GM tickets, "Thank you, this will be looked into".  Really?

 

SGRA?  Super Secret Space Project?

 

We are actively working to optimize the SWTOR graphics engine, still ongoing.

EA - Aug 27, 2012:

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=5091079#post5091079

Hey all, I just wanted to pop in and say we are actively working on various optimizations (both server and client) and will continue to do so. It's extremely important for us to continually make improvements to our technology so we can have users across a variety of system specs and support large living worlds for those users to craft their virtual lives.

 

We want fights to feel heroic, so you wont have a dozen people whacking away at one mob (paraphrased).

 

The Collectors Edition.  WOW what a betrayal.  Worth $150, but then worth $20 at Best Buy / Kmart and others as retailers dump this title, because it is going F2P.

 

SWTOR won't go F2P.

Greg Zeschuk

Dec 28th 2011

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/12/28/bioware-docs-defend-subscription-model-tease-free-to-play-itera/

"The free-to-play people can't invest to the level we can invest, and can't create something of the size and scale of something we can create."

 

Just some off the top of my head.

As far as I know or  have evidence of, they believed those things when they stated them, therefore, I don't feel lied to as a lie has premeditation.

Then the game is just stinky now for no apparent reason.  Lets not look at the past.  Ignore all the statements from past EA/BioWAre employees, and lets just focus on the present.

 

WE AS SW FANS CAN'T POSSIBLE FANTHAM WHY THIS GAME ISN'T DOING WELL? WTF??

better?

Not really, because I have no idea why you don't like the game.  "Stinky" isn't a reason.  Look at the past all you want, it tells you how you got to the present, but that doesn't make anything you quoted a lie.  If Bioware made a bad design choice, I doubt they were sitting around in a room saying "hmmm.  how can we really piss people off and ruin our reputation?"  Again, you may believe they intentionally misled you, but I don't believe that.

  miagisan

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10/09/12 6:30:41 PM#33
nope. had  fun and was exactly what i expected when i played.

  Xthos

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Joined: 4/18/10
Posts: 2641

10/09/12 6:30:55 PM#34

Lie?  No, maybe a disconnect on what worlds opening up and having an explorable, hybridish sandbox feel to them means.  One of the lead devs said something that, that is a paraphrase of...That and a lot of the beta people saying the worlds open up later, which by level 30ish you figure out isn't really gonna happen.

 

I didn't have much hopes for the game to begin with, but knew people playing....All in all, I got my money worth....Played the free month, so got a month of play for $60 bucks or whatever...I can drop $60 in a day on something frivilous.

 

  Purutzil

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Posts: 2849

The Critical Hit Pretzel!

10/09/12 6:34:09 PM#35
No. They did just like many other companies do to expand upon hype and stretch the truth. Sure, you can say thats being lied to, but every single MMo out there has done just that then so pointing figures at SWTOR would be silly. 
  Karteli

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Posts: 2704

10/09/12 6:36:13 PM#36
Originally posted by niceguy3978
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by niceguy3978
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by Vladamyre
No I don't feel that I was lied to. I do feel that I was cheated on the price of the game. It wasn't worth $5.00.

You would think that people don't buy cat in the bag. Whenever I buy something (anything) I first check multiple sources/reviews to find out if I actually want it. In case of games I got burned on AoC, Aion and Rift, but I do not complain. It was my choice to get ithese games and I sucked it up. My decision and consequences are mine too. It is called personal responsibility.

Content updates?  OK if thats not enought, how about fast content updates.  What about free updates?  "Makeb" might not be free..

James Ohlen

January 23, 2012

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/01/23/the-challenge-of-creating-star-wars-the-old-republic

The quality, the polish has to be very, very high, and then you need to have a plan to continue to deliver free content on a regular basis.

 

The graphics deatil in the trailer's was amazing, then when the game released, suddenly the detail of the trailers were an accident, not representive of the actual game?

 

By proclaiming themselves as a competitor to WoW, this implied longevity in a game that would replace WoW (I don't play WoW anymore anyways).  MMORPG's nowadays just stink :(

 

Rated Battlegrounds coming in 1.2.  Nope just kidding, they will be Coming Soon though, even though we just cancelled it a day before the big patch.  If you resubscribed because of this, sorry, no refunds!  "We value PVP in our game".  Later, let us put mechanisms for Rated groups to queue against Pugs, while they wait, so they can stomp them.

 

GM tickets, "Thank you, this will be looked into".  Really?

 

SGRA?  Super Secret Space Project?

 

We are actively working to optimize the SWTOR graphics engine, still ongoing.

EA - Aug 27, 2012:

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=5091079#post5091079

Hey all, I just wanted to pop in and say we are actively working on various optimizations (both server and client) and will continue to do so. It's extremely important for us to continually make improvements to our technology so we can have users across a variety of system specs and support large living worlds for those users to craft their virtual lives.

 

We want fights to feel heroic, so you wont have a dozen people whacking away at one mob (paraphrased).

 

The Collectors Edition.  WOW what a betrayal.  Worth $150, but then worth $20 at Best Buy / Kmart and others as retailers dump this title, because it is going F2P.

 

SWTOR won't go F2P.

Greg Zeschuk

Dec 28th 2011

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/12/28/bioware-docs-defend-subscription-model-tease-free-to-play-itera/

"The free-to-play people can't invest to the level we can invest, and can't create something of the size and scale of something we can create."

 

Just some off the top of my head.

As far as I know or  have evidence of, they believed those things when they stated them, therefore, I don't feel lied to as a lie has premeditation.

Then the game is just stinky now for no apparent reason.  Lets not look at the past.  Ignore all the statements from past EA/BioWAre employees, and lets just focus on the present.

 

WE AS SW FANS CAN'T POSSIBLE FANTHAM WHY THIS GAME ISN'T DOING WELL? WTF??

better?

Not really, because I have no idea why you don't like the game.  "Stinky" isn't a reason.  Look at the past all you want, it tells you how you got to the present, but that doesn't make anything you quoted a lie.  If Bioware made a bad design choice, I doubt they were sitting around in a room saying "hmmm.  how can we really piss people off and ruin our reputation?"  Again, you may believe they intentionally misled you, but I don't believe that.

Stinky is just a descriptor.  Well when stuff gets said, and it doesn't come to pass, I call it a lie.  Either the rules changes or it was ignored (in which you may call it legit, I call it still a lie).

 

BioWare doesn't exist anymore (http://www.gamespot.com/news/ea-buying-bioware-pandemic-for-860m-6180818).  Sold in 2007.  Reputation was out the door at that point; there was no reputation.  Just do your job for EA and get paid.

 

EA & it's BioWare studio made plenty of lies, don't fool youtself.

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  Beyorn

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Joined: 10/27/08
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10/09/12 6:36:22 PM#37
I feel a little lied to.  The one that really sticks in my mind is about how unheroic it was for a group of players to beat on one mob.  Well you can see how far that went ;(.  I wish I could find the video he said that in.  My search-fu is rusty.
  niceguy3978

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10/09/12 6:40:29 PM#38
Originally posted by Xthos

Lie?  No, maybe a disconnect on what worlds opening up and having an explorable, hybridish sandbox feel to them means.  One of the lead devs said something that, that is a paraphrase of...That and a lot of the beta people saying the worlds open up later, which by level 30ish you figure out isn't really gonna happen.

 

I didn't have much hopes for the game to begin with, but knew people playing....All in all, I got my money worth....Played the free month, so got a month of play for $60 bucks or whatever...I can drop $60 in a day on something frivilous.

 

I followed the game pretty closely from about a year out til launch, and I don't really remember them saying anything about a hybridish sandbox feel, or even implying that.  The only thing I would even think of is the exploring aspect with those cubes or whatever they were called, but they were there to find, so I don't think that was a lie.  But if they did say something about it even approaching a hybrid sandboxish feel, that would be a whopper of a lie, and I agree that anyone who said the game world "opened up" after 30 was stretching the truth to the point of breaking.  

  Sevenstar61

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10/09/12 6:40:40 PM#39
Originally posted by Beyorn
I feel a little lied to.  The one that really sticks in my mind is about how unheroic it was for a group of players to beat on one mob.  Well you can see how far that went ;(.  I wish I could find the video he said that in.  My search-fu is rusty.

Something heroic to one person might be unheroic to other. It's a matter of perception anyway.

 

Edit. but I read something about what you said. I will try to find it. But really if we consider these kind of things lies... hmmm everything is a lie then...

Oh well Peace is a lie :)


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  Tokken

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10/09/12 6:43:58 PM#40
Originally posted by MMOExposed
Do you feel lied to, by Bioware/EA over SWTOR in some manner?

if so, what you feel was a lie told by them regarding SWTOR?

dude, get counseling or get over it.

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