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Originally posted by Draron
The new auxiliary weapon? Or something much more?

nah gotta be bigger than that aux isnt new :)

Yeah right.

Every time Funcom says "something new you've never, ever seen before", it translates to "same old crap, we just twisted it into an unrecognizable mess so you think it's something new". Then a week goes by, people's brains unravel the mess, and they realize they've been had again.

Kinda like hiding levels in "skill trees"  in oder to claim the characters don't have levels. lol

Originally posted by bcbully
can I get a lock please my thread was first 

Seems this thread beat yours by 19 minutes 

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by Draron
The new auxiliary weapon? Or something much more?

nah gotta be bigger than that aux isnt new :)

Yea, can't wait 'till Friday now. Good thing I'm off then. They talked about a new faction vs faction type of thing where you don't have to go anywhere to participate. Hope it's something to do with that.

Originally posted by OG_Zorvan

 

Kinda like hiding levels in "skill trees"  in oder to claim the characters don't have levels. lol

Riiiight what level is a guy with 8 in weapons a 10 on the head 5 on minors and a 7 on majors?

I'm waiting.

Originally posted by OG_Zorvan

Kinda like hiding levels in "skill trees"  in oder to claim the characters don't have levels. lol

Some sort of progression check is needed the way the dungeons and raids are set up in game. But even still, it's much more flexible than a level system ever could be. 

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by OG_Zorvan

 

Kinda like hiding levels in "skill trees"  in oder to claim the characters don't have levels. lol

Riiiight what level is a guy with 8 in weapons a 10 on the head 5 on minors and a 7 on majors?

 

I'm waiting.

If there were no levels ( you know, the things that come from that ice experience bar ), the guy who just walked out of the newbie tutorial could stand toe-to-toe  with the guy who has been playing for a month.

If there were no levels, a monster down the street wouldn't kill you in one hit when you can kill multiples in a row without dying in your current area.

If there were no levels, the word "TIER" would never appear anywhere in the entire game especially in relation to "skills", "weapons" or "items".

Originally posted by OG_Zorvan

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by OG_Zorvan

 

Kinda like hiding levels in "skill trees"  in oder to claim the characters don't have levels. lol

Riiiight what level is a guy with 8 in weapons a 10 on the head 5 on minors and a 7 on majors?

 

I'm waiting.

If there were no levels ( you know, the things that come from that ice experience bar ), the guy who just walked out of the newbie tutorial could stand toe-to-toe  with the guy who has been playing for a month.

If there were no levels, a monster down the street wouldn't kill you in one hit when you can kill multiples in a row without dying in your current area.

If there were no levels, the word "TIER" would never appear anywhere in the entire game especially in relation to "skills", "weapons" or "items".

Wrong. EVE Online/Wurm/Darkfall and even UO didn't let you take on the biggest mobs until after you maxed some skills and got some nice gear. Most all games, even sandboxes, have skillchecks.

TSW does not have levels in the traditional sense and are much more flexible.

Originally posted by OG_Zorvan

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by OG_Zorvan

 

Kinda like hiding levels in "skill trees"  in oder to claim the characters don't have levels. lol

Riiiight what level is a guy with 8 in weapons a 10 on the head 5 on minors and a 7 on majors?

 

I'm waiting.

If there were no levels ( you know, the things that come from that ice experience bar ), the guy who just walked out of the newbie tutorial could stand toe-to-toe  with the guy who has been playing for a month.

If there were no levels, a monster down the street wouldn't kill you in one hit when you can kill multiples in a row without dying in your current area.

If there were no levels, the word "TIER" would never appear anywhere in the entire game especially in relation to "skills", "weapons" or "items".

 

If you read a choose your own adventure book from front to back like a traditional book it wouldn't make much sense. Even though both are books, have pages numbered in ascending order and require you to read them. It is not a question of if there is a book is involved, it's  how you go about progressing with those two similar types of media in a different manner.

Originally posted by Draron

Originally posted by OG_Zorvan

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by OG_Zorvan

 

Kinda like hiding levels in "skill trees"  in oder to claim the characters don't have levels. lol

Riiiight what level is a guy with 8 in weapons a 10 on the head 5 on minors and a 7 on majors?

 

I'm waiting.

If there were no levels ( you know, the things that come from that ice experience bar ), the guy who just walked out of the newbie tutorial could stand toe-to-toe  with the guy who has been playing for a month.

If there were no levels, a monster down the street wouldn't kill you in one hit when you can kill multiples in a row without dying in your current area.

If there were no levels, the word "TIER" would never appear anywhere in the entire game especially in relation to "skills", "weapons" or "items".

Wrong. EVE Online and even UO didn't let you take on the biggest mobs until after you maxed some skills and got some nice gear.

Even UO had levels. It's called "Sword 1/500".

If you have to gain experience in something to use something better, you are leveling. It doesn't matter if you call it "skill progression" or "mastering" or whatever else. If there is an 'XP Bar", there are levels.

If there are "tiers", there are levels.

Funcom did nothing new, they just gave it a facelift and a name change.

Originally posted by OG_Zorvan

Originally posted by Draron

Originally posted by OG_Zorvan

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by OG_Zorvan

 

Kinda like hiding levels in "skill trees"  in oder to claim the characters don't have levels. lol

Riiiight what level is a guy with 8 in weapons a 10 on the head 5 on minors and a 7 on majors?

 

I'm waiting.

If there were no levels ( you know, the things that come from that ice experience bar ), the guy who just walked out of the newbie tutorial could stand toe-to-toe  with the guy who has been playing for a month.

If there were no levels, a monster down the street wouldn't kill you in one hit when you can kill multiples in a row without dying in your current area.

If there were no levels, the word "TIER" would never appear anywhere in the entire game especially in relation to "skills", "weapons" or "items".

Wrong. EVE Online and even UO didn't let you take on the biggest mobs until after you maxed some skills and got some nice gear.

Even UO had levels. It's called "Sword 1/500".

If you have to gain experience in something to use something better, you are leveling. It doesn't matter if you call it "skill progression" or "mastering" or whatever else. If there is an 'XP Bar", there are levels.

If there are "tiers", there are levels.

Funcom did nothing new, they just gave it a facelift and a name change.

That's what I was saying. Every game that is based on getting new gear and such has progression checks. But calling them levels in TSW doesn't do it justice.

Usually "levels" in a game is tied to how strong your character is and what is available. In TSW, you can have every skill possible and still only be able to use QL 1 talismans. Like I said before, the "levels" in TSW are more just progression checks, at least compared to the standard MMO.

Gonna end my replies here, don't want to derail this topic even more.

Originally posted by OG_Zorvan

Originally posted by Draron

Originally posted by OG_Zorvan

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by OG_Zorvan

 

Kinda like hiding levels in "skill trees"  in oder to claim the characters don't have levels. lol

Riiiight what level is a guy with 8 in weapons a 10 on the head 5 on minors and a 7 on majors?

 

I'm waiting.

If there were no levels ( you know, the things that come from that ice experience bar ), the guy who just walked out of the newbie tutorial could stand toe-to-toe  with the guy who has been playing for a month.

If there were no levels, a monster down the street wouldn't kill you in one hit when you can kill multiples in a row without dying in your current area.

If there were no levels, the word "TIER" would never appear anywhere in the entire game especially in relation to "skills", "weapons" or "items".

Wrong. EVE Online and even UO didn't let you take on the biggest mobs until after you maxed some skills and got some nice gear.

Even UO had levels. It's called "Sword 1/500".

If you have to gain experience in something to use something better, you are leveling. It doesn't matter if you call it "skill progression" or "mastering" or whatever else. If there is an 'XP Bar", there are levels.

If there are "tiers", there are levels.

Funcom did nothing new, they just gave it a facelift and a name change.

Like I stated in my response to you with the choose-your-own-adventure book. Why are you hung up on the word "levels"? It's like saying every book has "chapters", when I pointed you to the above example.

Originally posted by Ramonski7

Originally posted by OG_Zorvan

Originally posted by Draron

Originally posted by OG_Zorvan

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by OG_Zorvan

 

Kinda like hiding levels in "skill trees"  in oder to claim the characters don't have levels. lol

Riiiight what level is a guy with 8 in weapons a 10 on the head 5 on minors and a 7 on majors?

 

I'm waiting.

If there were no levels ( you know, the things that come from that ice experience bar ), the guy who just walked out of the newbie tutorial could stand toe-to-toe  with the guy who has been playing for a month.

If there were no levels, a monster down the street wouldn't kill you in one hit when you can kill multiples in a row without dying in your current area.

If there were no levels, the word "TIER" would never appear anywhere in the entire game especially in relation to "skills", "weapons" or "items".

Wrong. EVE Online and even UO didn't let you take on the biggest mobs until after you maxed some skills and got some nice gear.

Even UO had levels. It's called "Sword 1/500".

If you have to gain experience in something to use something better, you are leveling. It doesn't matter if you call it "skill progression" or "mastering" or whatever else. If there is an 'XP Bar", there are levels.

If there are "tiers", there are levels.

Funcom did nothing new, they just gave it a facelift and a name change.

Like I stated in my response to you with the choose-your-own-adventure book. Why are you hung up on the word "levels"? It's like saying every book has "chapters", when I pointed you to the above example.

Because your analogy with the choose-your-own-adventure books is ludicrous at best, unless you're telling us TSW is a disjointed mess if you go from start to finish.

Originally posted by Draron

Originally posted by OG_Zorvan

 

Even UO had levels. It's called "Sword 1/500".

If you have to gain experience in something to use something better, you are leveling. It doesn't matter if you call it "skill progression" or "mastering" or whatever else. If there is an 'XP Bar", there are levels.

If there are "tiers", there are levels.

Funcom did nothing new, they just gave it a facelift and a name change.

That's what I was saying. Every game that is based on getting new gear and such has progression checks. But calling them levels in TSW doesn't do it justice.

Gonna end my replies here, don't want to derail this topic even more.

And I'll leave it at this: "tier" is defined as a "level" in every dictionary known to man, and Funcom uses that word liberally.

Don't blame me for calling things "levels" when funcom does it themselves.

Well the picutre you guys used showed the ql4 rocket luancher being used.  So that is an aux weapon slot.  I guess were getting more as there was 3 places on the aux wheel.

Nothing new about the combat in tsw, you basicly leveled up the weapon types you used and the gear slots you used.  So you did have levels ql1-10.4  Based on how you used your sp.