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  WhiteLantern

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10/05/12 9:02:20 AM#41
Originally posted by KyBo
Originally posted by WhiteLantern
Originally posted by stratasaurus
Originally posted by Zylaxx
Why blame EA?  Why not blame the people who created arguably the worst MMO clone in modern history?

Am I the only person on here that is sick to death of reading the word clone over and over to discribe everything?  Do fans of other genres have to put up with this crap?  I don't recall ever seeing thousands of posts on fps forums about how every single game is a clone cause it uses guns or whatever.  Fracking annoying.

You missed the decade in which everything was a Doom clone. Even though Doom was a clone of Wolfenstein 3D. Weird, huh?

 

LOL.  We're now into the third decade of FPS clones.

They aren't still refered to as Doom clones. Are they? Borderlands 2 is my first FPS in nearly 15 years, so I'm a bit out of the loop.

I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil

  Nanfoodle

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10/05/12 10:16:53 AM#42
This may be the best news for SWToR yet. DE ideas were backwards and 100% in the box thinking. Everything he said in interviews as to the difrection he wanted to take ToR made me want to unsub. I am intrested to see if this takes ToR in a better direction. 
  Whiskey_Sam

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10/05/12 10:34:48 AM#43
Originally posted by Unshra
Originally posted by Whiskey_Sam
If they'd fired that arrogant asshole a long time ago, the game might have had a chance.

That makes little sense, it's like saying that if 38 Studio's fired R. A. Salvatore they might not have failed as a company. One of the few good things about SWTOR was the story so clearly Daniel Erickson did his job. However they shouldn't have allowed him to talk as he clearly doesn't understand MMO's as well as he understands writing a story.

The amount of damage done by Erickson's incompetence and arrogance towards Bioware's customers far outweighed any benefit he provided via stories that were mildly interesting.

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  Olgark

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10/05/12 12:44:59 PM#44

When EA takes over a company they gut it then merge them together. Origins was gutted by EA and all the creative minds of that game left. Mythic was bought by EA and gutted. Westward same.

BioWare was pushed into partnership after the during the release of DA:O we can see EA's influence in DA2 and ME2. Which were the two new games not yet developed at the time or very early on.

I predicted this would happen when it was first announced over in the BioWare forums. I have seen EA do this over and over again. As a company EA can't make decent games they have no creative will they just want the money.

  CazNeerg

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10/06/12 5:35:38 PM#45
This is the first time I've been worried about the quality of the game going forward;  probably a sign that they are going to ignore the one thing the game did exceptionally well for an MMO (story) in favor of making it more generic and boring. (A.K.A. cheaper.)

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  defector1968

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10/06/12 6:27:35 PM#46
Originally posted by mmoDAD
It's funny how people like to blame EA. Take a look a Knights of the Old Republic 1 and 2. You honestly thought this single-player company was going to completely change it's axiom and create the most explosive massive MULTIPLAYER online reoleplaying game? Wake up. BioWare did a crap job, as did EA.

all crap ideas in swtor was from EA. Unless u didnt like the full voice/videos too

  iceman00

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10/07/12 9:39:41 PM#47
Originally posted by Fuerchtegott

In this case I have to agree with the ppl who DON'T blame EA. After all EA did his job, they gave more financial funds than ANY PC game EVER! It's not like EA told BW they had to develop this game in 2 years. BW had enough development time. So, both of the most critical requirements of game development, funds and time, were met.

However, if game designer have a restrictive approach to their game vision, it will end up in a restrictive game... it happend with WAR as well, when Paul Barnett was hyping the game telling us how players don't need this or that feature, because during times of war you only fight... Restrictive game design and MMORPGs just don't go well together...

But EA also demanded the game be made a certain way.  That's what comes with the power of the purse. 

The Bioware boys did a terrible job, but there's no doubt part of that terrible job was precisely what EA wanted.

  waits1972

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10/09/12 6:35:34 AM#48
That is a goofy picture.  Agreed.
  Mothanos

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10/09/12 7:03:23 AM#49

Its not EA who created TOR it was Bioware.
Even without EA TOR would have failed.

EA already has a shit reputation and with TOR / DA2 Bioware ruined their own rep as hard as EA did.
They spended so much budget on the voice overs and in the end it was just spacebar food.
The whole Bioware development team dint see this comming and their arrogance was their downfall.

ToR could have been so much more, but Bioware decided to make it the way it is instead of a insane big space / ground mmo.

Bleh SWTOR was the worste amount of money i spend in my life -_- and i bought 2 copy's worth with 2 timecards for 160 euro.

Hope they choke in it and go bankrupt those money eating game molestors :)

  goemoe

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10/09/12 8:00:44 AM#50
This is unfortunate. Now he will probably build another high rated piece of... name it. ;)
  peanutgirl

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10/09/12 8:14:19 AM#51
Originally posted by Unshra
Originally posted by Whiskey_Sam
If they'd fired that arrogant asshole a long time ago, the game might have had a chance.

That makes little sense, it's like saying that if 38 Studio's fired R. A. Salvatore they might not have failed as a company. One of the few good things about SWTOR was the story so clearly Daniel Erickson did his job. However they shouldn't have allowed him to talk as he clearly doesn't understand MMO's as well as he understands writing a story.

Exactly, Talk, but making comments comes from what you think, they made the game with far to many story scenes for one thing, we buy an MMO to play and have fun, not sit there and watch umpteen hours of cut scenes, you could fly through the story driven quests and literally finish the story quite quickly, then what ? there was nothing else to keep you playing, every MMO has its "sell by date" imho, but SWTOR was a matter of hours, the game in reality was ruined before it was released.

 

it was a game where you were smacking the spacebar to end the cut scenes, as for quests, they were a total minority, only a small few were not boring. it was not EA that ruined the game, but the people that made it having no idea.

 
  Wraithone

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10/09/12 9:28:08 AM#52
I can't say that this is a surprise, given how things have been going. Considering how many companies EA has destroyed over the years (rememeber westwood studios for one?...), one would think that they and NCsoft wouldn't be trusted any more.  But greed and/or desperation tend to blind people. 
  Wraithone

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If you can't kill it, don't make it mad.

10/09/12 9:32:14 AM#53
Originally posted by NBlitz

His heart will go on. 

 

I'm dying for a documentary about EA/Ware, SWTOR and this whole...I can't make up my mind what to call this whole situation. They're wide open.

I suspect that anyone trying to do that, would be tied up by EA's legal arm until well into the next century.  They may know little about games, but they have a rather keen sense for how to manipulate the power system. 

  ShakyMo

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10/09/12 10:02:23 AM#54
Those saying not EAs fault sorry you are wrong.

The whole swtor debacle thing is just a continuation of EAs epic screwing over of mythic. (sack everyone who knew how to make games, appoint brownosers with game making experience as project leads)
  ShakyMo

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10/09/12 10:02:54 AM#55
# no game making experience
  kaylee

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10/09/12 10:23:24 AM#56
Why am I not surprised... this is a continuing trend with most of the good game developers that were merged/ bought by EA.
  Creslin321

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10/09/12 12:25:20 PM#57
As with all of their purchases, EA is somehow under the delusion that the name "Bioware" somehow makes games good, and it doesn't have anything to do with the people that actually made those games.

Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?

  Olgark

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10/09/12 12:53:10 PM#58

SWTOR fail was EA's fault as is ME3 and DA:2.

Reason for it EA wanted SWTOR to be the same succsess as WoW and so made an exact copy of the mechanics, they just gave it a Star Wars paint job.

Dragon Age was shredded and remade for a wider audience to be able to play the game and not be confused by the mechanics of spells and combat. And we get the steaming pile of dung that is DA:2.

ME3 had some realy good writting then we get to the end of the game and it falls flat. As none of the choices you made make a damn difference and you die in all of them. With a A,B,C ending which was promised would never happen by the devs. You could say we didn't get an A,B,C ending it was more like a Red, Green, and Blue one.

DA:3 will fail this is my prediction and EA will liquidate the assets of BioWare to gain back some of its money lost and then move onto buy another up and comming studio to destroy.

  mmoguy43

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10/09/12 1:10:42 PM#59
Was this the same guy that had long brown hair and said somehing about space combat wasn't going to be about "dicking around" before launch? I can't find the video interview of that.

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http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/398555/page/1

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  Celebereg

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10/09/12 2:13:32 PM#60
Sorry saw this coming and said so more than once.  This guy spouted nothing but sacred cows that later where redesigned or proved failures due to lack of MMO fundamentals of player choice and options; from activities to faction guild/trade bifurcation to surnames... more than anyone, he's responsible for rhe situation TOR is in today.  Good riddance to a creative force behind the NGE too.
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