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PvP  » Disatisfied with GW2 because it's very unfriendly to small group of friends in hot join PvP.

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  User Deleted
 
OP  10/08/12 9:49:30 PM#1

This is NOT about WvWvW.

This is NOT about PvE.

This is NOT an opinion. It is a FACT.

This is about CASUAL play. You cannot say "Become hardcore" or "join a PvP guild" as those are counter to the CASUAL experience and counter to just playing with your small group of <5 close friends.

Guild Wars 2 is very unfriendly to casual, small groups. This isn't an opinion, it is a fact. If you are >1 but <5, you cannot play in structured PvP (sPvP or tPvP) without a crappier experience.

 

For casual play, I refer to instant-action. Quick structured PvP that you can drop in and out of.

For a small group? I mean 2-4 players.

 

Evidence of this irrefutable FACT:

sPvP- caters to solo players. Although you may switch teams, making it somewhat easier for 2 players to group together, a 3 or 4 player group will have a very hard time playing together on the same team. Most of the time, you and your friends will be split up. Even if you manage to eventually get on the same team (unlikely) it requires you to constantly refresh the PvP battle report screen and watch until a spot opens on your team.

tPvP- caters to overly serious players. If you really think your PuG will win against a 5 man guild group on VOIP with practiced strategies for each map, you are sorely mistaken. Even if you are an excellent 2-4 man group, the chances of getting a quality 1-3 PuG partner is quite low. Even if you manage to get an exceptional PuG partner, all happen to get on VOIP, and your 2-4 man PuG already has great strategy and lots of experience, you still will not be able to compete with that 5 man group. The teams in the gold round of a tPvP match are extremely premade, practiced, know each other well, and all coordinate IMHO overly-competitive. (While I understand tPvP is competitive and "serious" for a lot of players, some people take it a bit too far IMHO. If you disagree, you need to take into consideration this is about casual players. People who take PvP extremely serious to min/max their 5 premade and make a huge deal over group composition, map strategy, etc. are more hardcore than casual).

 

Sure, if the lineup sucks and your PuG isn't awful, you can RARELY but sometimes win a gold tournament. This however, will be quite rare. The guild premades on VOIP will just tear your PuG apart, no matter what. You just don't know each other well enough, you don't work together with strangers like they do with each other, VOIP is a huge benefit, and their strategy and class/build setup is gonna knock your random setup to the floor.

Certainly you can get your 1-3 friends and queue up with a PuG and wipe the floor in copper almost everytime, win silver occassionally, but that gold won't happen outside of a fluke of crappy players or a buggy disconnect.

 

 

I didn't care so much for the PvE or WvW, but I loved the sPvP and tPvP. This is primarily why I got a full refund. (If you request a full refund, they will give it to you- no questions asked.) I play with 2 other players, so our group size is always 3. sPvP is too difficult and sometimes impossible to get all 3 of us on the same team. tPvP is just a faceroll every gold, and many times silver. The 2 PuG's are usually kids too, who are at the bottom of scores and don't know what strategy even is, with builds so pathetic they lose in 3v1 fights to pro premades.

 

I'm sorry, but it's a FACT that in hot join structured PvP, a small group of < 5 will have a crappier play experience than they should, because GW2 is very unfriendly to small groups in hot join structured PvP.

  Rokurgepta

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Joined: 8/15/08
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10/08/12 9:57:45 PM#2

From what I read you are too casual to be good and too stubborn to realize it.

 

You want to run with a group too small for tPvP but you want to complain that people who take it serious and win are overly serious. Thats excuse making. The fact is you are not good enough, dont have enough friends to win. Instead of fixing your obvious flaws you blame the game? Amazing. Bye

  GeezerGamer

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Joined: 4/03/12
Posts: 5251

10/08/12 9:59:24 PM#3
OP, you may be upset with how GW2 is playing out for you, but attacking people is not going to get you very far. Whatever point you have regardless of how valid or invalid it is, is now lost and this thread runs the risk of being locked or deleted.

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  niceguy3978

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Joined: 6/14/06
Posts: 2016

10/08/12 10:04:19 PM#4
Originally posted by Rokurgepta

From what I read you are too casual to be good and too stubborn to realize it.

 

You want to run with a group too small for tPvP but you want to complain that people who take it serious and win are overly serious. Thats excuse making. The fact is you are not good enough, dont have enough friends to win. Instead of fixing your obvious flaws you blame the game? Amazing. Bye

It seems like he is complaining that "unserious" (in your words) people can't play together in spvp.  He wants to join spvp with a group of 2-4 people and be able to be grouped with them in the spvp match, which with rebalancing doesn't really work.  I don't know that it took the number of words he wrote to make this point, but that is it.  I tend to agree with him, but I also understand why rebalancing works the way it does.  Rebalancing, I guess, is a way for even less serious people, with fewer friends, can make sure you don't end up with 4 v 2, 3 v 1, etc. matches.

  User Deleted
 
OP  10/08/12 10:05:26 PM#5
Originally posted by Rokurgepta

From what I read you are too casual to be good and too stubborn to realize it.

 

You want to run with a group too small for tPvP but you want to complain that people who take it serious and win are overly serious. Thats excuse making. The fact is you are not good enough, dont have enough friends to win. Instead of fixing your obvious flaws you blame the game? Amazing. Bye

If you take a competitive game very seriously, you're placed in the "hardcore" description, not the "casual" description.

 

Casual means you don't take thinks all too seriously, and are more interested in just having fun by playing whatever you want, however you want.

You are incorrect to think I am "not good enough" because I am casual. I only met 1 warrior that could ever beat my warrior in a duel, and we went 2:2. I actually had a guild where I would tPvP and win gold. I am well informed of how competitive play works, and I myself am quite hardcore at most video games, mostly due to my experience and past competitive play.

 

[mod edit]

  Mike-McQueen

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Joined: 10/30/05
Posts: 248

10/08/12 10:06:11 PM#6
Spvp isn't all that much fun anyways so moot point?

I'm a unique and beautiful snowflake.

  User Deleted
 
OP  10/08/12 10:10:54 PM#7
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
OP, you may be upset with how GW2 is playing out for you, but attacking people is not going to get you very far. Whatever point you have regardless of how valid or invalid it is, is now lost and this thread runs the risk of being locked or deleted.

What point? This is a fact.

Upset? Not really, I am actually quite happy because I got a full refund. I enjoy sharing reviews though, and stating this fact here can help save some people the trouble by letting them know sPvP and tPvP is unfriendly to groups of 2-4 players.

 

Not get me very far? Where do I need to go? This is an irrefutable fact. There is overwhelming evidence to support the fact sPvP and tPvP are very unfriendly to groups of 2-4 players. This is a fact. As of last patch, you CANNOT queue up in sPvP with a group, and tPvP still has 5-man premades that will wipe the floor with any PuG that gets to gold. (Most PuGs will lose at Copper or Silver).

 

There is no argument.

There is no debate.

There is nothing but factual evidence, a single post, and troll faboys who I enjoy destroying with logic.

 

No one needs to read anything in this thread except the OP. Just so they know structured PvP is for solo players, five man premades, or if you can stand a bit of annoyance and the occassional inability to play together during maps- duo play.

  User Deleted
10/08/12 10:12:55 PM#8
Originally posted by Disatisfied9
Originally posted by Rokurgepta

From what I read you are too casual to be good and too stubborn to realize it.

 

You want to run with a group too small for tPvP but you want to complain that people who take it serious and win are overly serious. Thats excuse making. The fact is you are not good enough, dont have enough friends to win. Instead of fixing your obvious flaws you blame the game? Amazing. Bye

If you take a competitive game very seriously, you're placed in the "hardcore" description, not the "casual" description.

 

Casual means you don't take thinks all too seriously, and are more interested in just having fun by playing whatever you want, however you want.

You are incorrect to think I am "not good enough" because I am casual. I only met 1 warrior that could ever beat my warrior in a duel, and we went 2:2. I actually had a guild where I would tPvP and win gold. I am well informed of how competitive play works, and I myself am quite hardcore at most video games, mostly due to my experience and past competitive play.

 

[mod edit]

You do realize that is how it is in every competitive game right? Any MOBA has rankings, you can either duo single or have a team of 5. When you duo, you experience crappy players constantly, but you can't expect every person to be as good as you. Doesn't work that way. You can assume that every game will auto put you into the super bracket and noone will be bad, but that never happens. Not sure what you were expecting Anet to do to fix this.

  User Deleted
 
OP  10/08/12 10:17:51 PM#9
Originally posted by eggy08
Originally posted by Disatisfied9
Originally posted by Rokurgepta

From what I read you are too casual to be good and too stubborn to realize it.

 

You want to run with a group too small for tPvP but you want to complain that people who take it serious and win are overly serious. Thats excuse making. The fact is you are not good enough, dont have enough friends to win. Instead of fixing your obvious flaws you blame the game? Amazing. Bye

If you take a competitive game very seriously, you're placed in the "hardcore" description, not the "casual" description.

 

Casual means you don't take thinks all too seriously, and are more interested in just having fun by playing whatever you want, however you want.

You are incorrect to think I am "not good enough" because I am casual. I only met 1 warrior that could ever beat my warrior in a duel, and we went 2:2. I actually had a guild where I would tPvP and win gold. I am well informed of how competitive play works, and I myself am quite hardcore at most video games, mostly due to my experience and past competitive play.

 

What you fail to realize, kid, is that when you get together with 2 of your friends and form a small group of 3, you are as casual/hardcore as your partners. Most people do not get together with their friends and family casually, for hardcore play. Hence the word "casually".

Fail troll is fail. Fanboys are called boys for a reason. Some of us adults have jobs and families, so we like to play casually. K thx Bye.

You do realize that is how it is in every competitive game right? Any MOBA has rankings, you can either duo single or have a team of 5. When you duo, you experience crappy players constantly, but you can't expect every person to be as good as you. Doesn't work that way. You can assume that every game will auto put you into the super bracket and noone will be bad, but that never happens. Not sure what you were expecting Anet to do to fix this.

My range of games goes outside the scope of two different video games.

 

There are a plethora of competitive video games that allow 2-4 players to join together, as a group, in a casual manner, and competitively play against other people.

 

For instance........ THE ENTIRE FPS GENRE.

Herp derp doo.

 

Anet could easily fix it, by allowing for 2v2, 3v3, 4v4 tPvP, group join in sPvP, etc.

It's an incredibly simple concept. There are HUNDREDS of sPvP servers. No reason there cant be a few for sPvP group join.

I'm about to /wrist due to the lack of intelligenec in these posts.

  Rokurgepta

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Joined: 8/15/08
Posts: 2208

10/08/12 10:18:45 PM#10
Originally posted by Disatisfied9
Originally posted by Rokurgepta
Originally posted by Disatisfied9
Originally posted by Rokurgepta

From what I read you are too casual to be good and too stubborn to realize it.

 

You want to run with a group too small for tPvP but you want to complain that people who take it serious and win are overly serious. Thats excuse making. The fact is you are not good enough, dont have enough friends to win. Instead of fixing your obvious flaws you blame the game? Amazing. Bye

If you take a competitive game very seriously, you're placed in the "hardcore" description, not the "casual" description.

 

Casual means you don't take thinks all too seriously, and are more interested in just having fun by playing whatever you want, however you want.

You are incorrect to think I am "not good enough" because I am casual. I only met 1 warrior that could ever beat my warrior in a duel, and we went 2:2. I actually had a guild where I would tPvP and win gold. I am well informed of how competitive play works, and I myself am quite hardcore at most video games, mostly due to my experience and past competitive play.

 

What you fail to realize, kid, is that when you get together with 2 of your friends and form a small group of 3, you are as casual/hardcore as your partners. Most people do not get together with their friends and family casually, for hardcore play. Hence the word "casually".

Fail troll is fail. Fanboys are called boys for a reason. Some of us adults have jobs and families, so we like to play casually. K thx Bye.

 Yes your insulting comments certainly show a level of maturity above and beyond the average adult. I am quite impressed. You are here raging against PvP which is not known for EVER being casual friendly. You keep calling people names but fail to see that the problem is you. Casual play in a competitive setting rarely works.

*yawn*

I never claimed to be a 32 year old adult, or mature.

 

I merely claimed Mike-McQueen is a 32 year old adult who is very immature.

 

I never claimed GW2 was a bad game, a boring game, or not enjoyable for anyone. I never even claimed you couldn't enjoy it as a small group of 2-4 players.

 

I claimed a simple fact in the OP, which is described in the title: GW2 is unfriendly to small groups in sPvP and tPvP.

 

What does my level of maturity going above and beyond the average adult have anything to do with Mike-McQueen being a 32 year old troll who is acting like a child?

 Your profile says you are a 32 year old female. From reading your posts neither of those are true. You did not claim a simple fact int he OP. you went on and on making silly claims and pretending they are all facts. Then you started insulting anyone who did not agree with you. You call everyone kid and boys like you were acting like an adult. Instead your posts all come across as childish and insulting when it was not needed. You lost any respect and all credibility on page one.

  f0dell54

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Sanity....
It's for the weak.

10/08/12 10:19:05 PM#11
Originally posted by Disatisfied9
Originally posted by Rokurgepta
Originally posted by Disatisfied9
Originally posted by Rokurgepta

From what I read you are too casual to be good and too stubborn to realize it.

 

You want to run with a group too small for tPvP but you want to complain that people who take it serious and win are overly serious. Thats excuse making. The fact is you are not good enough, dont have enough friends to win. Instead of fixing your obvious flaws you blame the game? Amazing. Bye

If you take a competitive game very seriously, you're placed in the "hardcore" description, not the "casual" description.

 

Casual means you don't take thinks all too seriously, and are more interested in just having fun by playing whatever you want, however you want.

You are incorrect to think I am "not good enough" because I am casual. I only met 1 warrior that could ever beat my warrior in a duel, and we went 2:2. I actually had a guild where I would tPvP and win gold. I am well informed of how competitive play works, and I myself am quite hardcore at most video games, mostly due to my experience and past competitive play.

 

What you fail to realize, kid, is that when you get together with 2 of your friends and form a small group of 3, you are as casual/hardcore as your partners. Most people do not get together with their friends and family casually, for hardcore play. Hence the word "casually".

Fail troll is fail. Fanboys are called boys for a reason. Some of us adults have jobs and families, so we like to play casually. K thx Bye.

 Yes your insulting comments certainly show a level of maturity above and beyond the average adult. I am quite impressed. You are here raging against PvP which is not known for EVER being casual friendly. You keep calling people names but fail to see that the problem is you. Casual play in a competitive setting rarely works.

*yawn*

I never claimed to be a 32 year old adult, or mature.

 

I merely claimed Mike-McQueen is a 32 year old adult who is very immature.

 

I never claimed GW2 was a bad game, a boring game, or not enjoyable for anyone. I never even claimed you couldn't enjoy it as a small group of 2-4 players.

 

I claimed a simple fact in the OP, which is described in the title: GW2 is unfriendly to small groups in sPvP and tPvP.

 

What does my level of maturity going above and beyond the average adult have anything to do with Mike-McQueen being a 32 year old troll who is acting like a child?

I think the only thing your proving is how much of a D-Bag you are. I'm pretty sure everyone here will agree with that.

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OP  10/08/12 10:21:25 PM#12
Originally posted by Rokurgepta
Originally posted by Disatisfied9
Originally posted by Rokurgepta
Originally posted by Disatisfied9
Originally posted by Rokurgepta

From what I read you are too casual to be good and too stubborn to realize it.

 

You want to run with a group too small for tPvP but you want to complain that people who take it serious and win are overly serious. Thats excuse making. The fact is you are not good enough, dont have enough friends to win. Instead of fixing your obvious flaws you blame the game? Amazing. Bye

If you take a competitive game very seriously, you're placed in the "hardcore" description, not the "casual" description.

 

Casual means you don't take thinks all too seriously, and are more interested in just having fun by playing whatever you want, however you want.

You are incorrect to think I am "not good enough" because I am casual. I only met 1 warrior that could ever beat my warrior in a duel, and we went 2:2. I actually had a guild where I would tPvP and win gold. I am well informed of how competitive play works, and I myself am quite hardcore at most video games, mostly due to my experience and past competitive play.

 

What you fail to realize, kid, is that when you get together with 2 of your friends and form a small group of 3, you are as casual/hardcore as your partners. Most people do not get together with their friends and family casually, for hardcore play. Hence the word "casually".

Fail troll is fail. Fanboys are called boys for a reason. Some of us adults have jobs and families, so we like to play casually. K thx Bye.

 Yes your insulting comments certainly show a level of maturity above and beyond the average adult. I am quite impressed. You are here raging against PvP which is not known for EVER being casual friendly. You keep calling people names but fail to see that the problem is you. Casual play in a competitive setting rarely works.

*yawn*

I never claimed to be a 32 year old adult, or mature.

 

I merely claimed Mike-McQueen is a 32 year old adult who is very immature.

 

I never claimed GW2 was a bad game, a boring game, or not enjoyable for anyone. I never even claimed you couldn't enjoy it as a small group of 2-4 players.

 

I claimed a simple fact in the OP, which is described in the title: GW2 is unfriendly to small groups in sPvP and tPvP.

 

What does my level of maturity going above and beyond the average adult have anything to do with Mike-McQueen being a 32 year old troll who is acting like a child?

 Your profile says you are a 32 year old female. From reading your posts neither of those are true. You did not claim a simple fact int he OP. you went on and on making silly claims and pretending they are all facts. Then you started insulting anyone who did not agree with you. You call everyone kid and boys like you were acting like an adult. Instead your posts all come across as childish and insulting when it was not needed. You lost any respect and all credibility on page one.

I made ONE claim, moron.

 

Guild Wars 2 is very unfriendly to casual, small groups. This isn't an opinion, it is a fact. If you are >1 but <5, you cannot play in structured PvP (sPvP or tPvP) without a crappier experience.

 

That's the only claim I made. I also never said I was a 32 year old female. Why would I post my private info online? So people like Mike-McQueen can try to rape me? No thanks.

 

I am not insulting anyone who didn't agree with me. I am insulting everyone who is nothing more than a troll, spewing irrational insults and non-opinions. (They didn't even state their opinions or facts, they merely insulted me. It's not out of character to provide an equal response to their response).

 

I think what is important is this: Mike-McQueen is a troll, and he is 32 years old, but incapable of any form of intelligence.

  Rokurgepta

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10/08/12 10:21:30 PM#13
Originally posted by Disatisfied9
Originally posted by Mike-McQueen
Spvp isn't all that much fun anyways so moot point?

Wow, this guy's ego is so large and immature, he actually thinks that because HE dislikes sPvP and because HE doesn't take sPvP "seriously", it is irrelevant if anyone enjoys it or not.

 

Also love how everyone ignored the fact tPvP is for 5-man premades and any PuG will be facerolled by a good guild group.

 So you think a PUG should be able to beat a coordinated guild group working together? If people get together in a guild and work on being good they will faceroll you, get more friends and get good at the game. You are acting like a spoiled child when you make such a silly remark. Only a whiner would think that a PUG should beat a coordinated well played team.

 

Like I said from what I see your main complaint is you are not good enough so you quit.

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OP  10/08/12 10:23:19 PM#14
Originally posted by f0dell54
Originally posted by Disatisfied9
Originally posted by Rokurgepta
Originally posted by Disatisfied9
Originally posted by Rokurgepta

From what I read you are too casual to be good and too stubborn to realize it.

 

You want to run with a group too small for tPvP but you want to complain that people who take it serious and win are overly serious. Thats excuse making. The fact is you are not good enough, dont have enough friends to win. Instead of fixing your obvious flaws you blame the game? Amazing. Bye

If you take a competitive game very seriously, you're placed in the "hardcore" description, not the "casual" description.

 

Casual means you don't take thinks all too seriously, and are more interested in just having fun by playing whatever you want, however you want.

You are incorrect to think I am "not good enough" because I am casual. I only met 1 warrior that could ever beat my warrior in a duel, and we went 2:2. I actually had a guild where I would tPvP and win gold. I am well informed of how competitive play works, and I myself am quite hardcore at most video games, mostly due to my experience and past competitive play.

 

What you fail to realize, kid, is that when you get together with 2 of your friends and form a small group of 3, you are as casual/hardcore as your partners. Most people do not get together with their friends and family casually, for hardcore play. Hence the word "casually".

Fail troll is fail. Fanboys are called boys for a reason. Some of us adults have jobs and families, so we like to play casually. K thx Bye.

 Yes your insulting comments certainly show a level of maturity above and beyond the average adult. I am quite impressed. You are here raging against PvP which is not known for EVER being casual friendly. You keep calling people names but fail to see that the problem is you. Casual play in a competitive setting rarely works.

*yawn*

I never claimed to be a 32 year old adult, or mature.

 

I merely claimed Mike-McQueen is a 32 year old adult who is very immature.

 

I never claimed GW2 was a bad game, a boring game, or not enjoyable for anyone. I never even claimed you couldn't enjoy it as a small group of 2-4 players.

 

I claimed a simple fact in the OP, which is described in the title: GW2 is unfriendly to small groups in sPvP and tPvP.

 

What does my level of maturity going above and beyond the average adult have anything to do with Mike-McQueen being a 32 year old troll who is acting like a child?

I think the only thing your proving is how much of a D-Bag you are. I'm pretty sure everyone here will agree with that.

Entirely irrelevant to the FACT GW2 is unfriendly to small groups in hot join PvP.

 

What I find hilarious, is that I am so right and the fact is so irrefutable, everyone here can only attack ME. No one has anything to say about the irrefutable fact, so they are offended, scared, or angry about GW2 not being perfect, and thus have to insult me, attack me, troll me, etc.

 

Enjoy your faceroll loss :)

Winning.