Originally posted by andre369

Originally posted by Xten

Originally posted by xpiher
Its because people can put things on the AH from anywhere in the world. Its a convience feature that saturates the market with vendor trash. However, it has its benifits if you like to gamble. 4 green items can be turned into yellow items at a certain % by using the mystic forage. I've gotten some pretty good weapons/armor doing this, and some unique skins. ANET said they are looking at ways at reducing this, but chances are they won't remove the ability of selling items to the AH directly from your inventory. 

I am not entirely sure if i understood the convenience part right tbh. Do you mean it is being used as for the convenience of emptieng your inventory from anywhere from the inventory?

 

If so it would be as fast as simply destroying those items on the spot and actually save you money as oposed to selling them at a loss in the TP.

 

(again i am not really sure i understood what you meant there : )

Lets see, many items sell for 1 copper to merchant and 2 copper on trade post. If you have 100 items you can sell them on TP for twice the price> Gain money. 

I do not think that you understand.

It costs you 2 copper to put it on the TP before you even manage to sell the item and thus selling a item for 1 copper more makes you actually lose 1 copper so if you do that x100 it would have cost you 100 copper to do so. tbh this has been said in this thread numerous times.

But... Andre's post does prove <is that the correct spelling? without a doubt that there are people out there that truly think they are making money this way and are not just putting these item up there like that for the ease of it. :)

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by Xten

Why do people keep putting items onto the TP for 1 copper higher then the vendor price when it actually costs them 2 copper to do so ? Why do people keep  doing this?

At first i thought this would be something that would settle after a while but now im starting to question if i am missing something here and that there is good reason to do this since this seems to still be a very popular use of the TP.

I dont see it though,  items that makes 14 copper on the vendor for instance are being sold for 15 copper on the TP which would cost the seller 2 copper just to put it on there and eventually nets him a result of -1 copper on the whole deal. Are there really that many people that are unaware of this?

I think this part of the TP still needs work, yes. You just shouldnt be able to put a price lower than minimum profits for the seller.

I personally never sells for less than 50% over the vendortrash price out of principle. I dont give away stuff for free, I am a theif FFS.

LOL xD

Thats another good way to RP a thief xD

Since some people raised it as a issue I also see no reason why people should be able to put items on there for less then the vendor price. All it does is help bots dump there inventory and ruin the market while adding no benefit to legit players. Legit players would have no use or benefit of this. Incase they want to be charitable they can simply give it away to anyone.

Originally posted by Xten

Originally posted by andre369

Originally posted by Xten

Originally posted by xpiher
Its because people can put things on the AH from anywhere in the world. Its a convience feature that saturates the market with vendor trash. However, it has its benifits if you like to gamble. 4 green items can be turned into yellow items at a certain % by using the mystic forage. I've gotten some pretty good weapons/armor doing this, and some unique skins. ANET said they are looking at ways at reducing this, but chances are they won't remove the ability of selling items to the AH directly from your inventory. 

I am not entirely sure if i understood the convenience part right tbh. Do you mean it is being used as for the convenience of emptieng your inventory from anywhere from the inventory?

 

If so it would be as fast as simply destroying those items on the spot and actually save you money as oposed to selling them at a loss in the TP.

 

(again i am not really sure i understood what you meant there : )

Lets see, many items sell for 1 copper to merchant and 2 copper on trade post. If you have 100 items you can sell them on TP for twice the price> Gain money. 

I do not think that you understand.

 

It costs you 2 copper to put it on the TP before you even manage to sell the item and thus selling a item for 1 copper more makes you actually lose 1 copper so if you do that x100 it would have cost you 100 copper to do so. tbh this has been said in this thread numerous times.

 

But... Andre's post does prove

It doesn't cost these people anything if they actually sell the items on the trader. What does happen is they lose potential money. If people don't want to run to a merchant to offload their stuff it's their perogative.

Originally posted by Connmacart

Originally posted by Xten

 

But... Andre's post does prove

It doesn't cost these people anything if they actually sell the items on the trader. What does happen is they lose potential money. If people don't want to run to a merchant to offload their stuff it's their perogative.

I would agree. Heck, come to think of it I think I've probably done taht a few times.

As long as I'm getting something what do I care?

I'd rather not have to find a vendor or do what I usually do and delete the item to make room for something else.

Since this money isn't real I really don't care if I lose out on additional fake money. Granted, in the context of the game it has it's own value but at the moment I've really not felt the need to buy anything.

Originally posted by Connmacart

Originally posted by Xten

Originally posted by andre369

Originally posted by Xten

Originally posted by xpiher
Its because people can put things on the AH from anywhere in the world. Its a convience feature that saturates the market with vendor trash. However, it has its benifits if you like to gamble. 4 green items can be turned into yellow items at a certain % by using the mystic forage. I've gotten some pretty good weapons/armor doing this, and some unique skins. ANET said they are looking at ways at reducing this, but chances are they won't remove the ability of selling items to the AH directly from your inventory. 

I am not entirely sure if i understood the convenience part right tbh. Do you mean it is being used as for the convenience of emptieng your inventory from anywhere from the inventory?

 

If so it would be as fast as simply destroying those items on the spot and actually save you money as oposed to selling them at a loss in the TP.

 

(again i am not really sure i understood what you meant there : )

Lets see, many items sell for 1 copper to merchant and 2 copper on trade post. If you have 100 items you can sell them on TP for twice the price> Gain money. 

I do not think that you understand.

 

It costs you 2 copper to put it on the TP before you even manage to sell the item and thus selling a item for 1 copper more makes you actually lose 1 copper so if you do that x100 it would have cost you 100 copper to do so. tbh this has been said in this thread numerous times.

 

But... Andre's post does prove

It doesn't cost these people anything if they actually sell the items on the trader. What does happen is they lose potential money. If people don't want to run to a merchant to offload their stuff it's their perogative.

It does , you do not get a tax return form in gw2.

What worries me more is people offereing a few cuppers for good gear and the TP defaulting to this setting, and people by accident selling good gear for a few copper.  

They should make it impossible for people to make offers below vendor prices too.

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

What worries me more is people offereing a few cuppers for good gear and the TP defaulting to this setting, and people by accident selling good gear for a few copper.  

 

They should make it impossible for people to make offers below vendor prices too.

Wouldn't that take away the freedom of the economy?

Maybe good gear should be dirt cheap? Especially if there is a lot of it. Or, someone might sell some good gear dirt cheap and someone else might buy it all up and sell it for a much higher price.

I used to do this all the time in Lineage 2. I would buy up all the "shots" and then inflate the price. Never too high but enough to make it worth it.

People want to get rid of their drops asap when they get them in the world.

Heck, I've bought items that were going for 10g or so with a 3g buy-order, probably just because they didn't pay attention to the actual sale price and just wanted to do away with an item.

What I don't get is when you have an item that seems to be selling for a decent price (like a green going for 10s or so) and then suddenly you have a number of idiots that bring the price down to 1c over vendor right away

Guess it's one of the things with a global TP.

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

What worries me more is people offereing a few cuppers for good gear and the TP defaulting to this setting, and people by accident selling good gear for a few copper.  

 

They should make it impossible for people to make offers below vendor prices too.

 

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

What worries me more is people offereing a few cuppers for good gear and the TP defaulting to this setting, and people by accident selling good gear for a few copper.  

 

They should make it impossible for people to make offers below vendor prices too.

Wouldn't that take away the freedom of the economy?

Maybe good gear should be dirt cheap? Especially if there is a lot of it. Or, someone might sell some good gear dirt cheap and someone else might buy it all up and sell it for a much higher price.

I used to do this all the time in Lineage 2. I would buy up all the "shots" and then inflate the price. Never too high but enough to make it worth it.

In modern themeparks where crafting is meant as pleasureable, covneniant side-game used by significant portion of playerbase there always will be massive supply which will bring prices down to low levels.    Sometimes there are few more expensive things, but they are usually heavily gated behind something (like some recipes in Lotro on 1 week cooldown amd rep gateetc).

Also centralized cross server AH just increase this.

To have working interesting economy game would be have to be diffrent, in some areas very diffrent.  This would not be liked by most current players.  

Originally posted by Fdzzaigl

 Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

What worries me more is people offereing a few cuppers for good gear and the TP defaulting to this setting, and people by accident selling good gear for a few copper.  

 

They should make it impossible for people to make offers below vendor prices too.

 

It does tell you that you can't make an offer below the vendor price now, at least some red text appears if you try.

 

Not sure when and how the dudes offering 1c for everything made that order.

It was moot anyway, since even though offers below vendor price were listed you as seller could not sell items to those orders anyway.  At least few days ago when I logged especially to check this, motivated by this thread in it' "early days" ;p

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by Xten

Why do people keep putting items onto the TP for 1 copper higher then the vendor price when it actually costs them 2 copper to do so ? Why do people keep  doing this?

At first i thought this would be something that would settle after a while but now im starting to question if i am missing something here and that there is good reason to do this since this seems to still be a very popular use of the TP.

I dont see it though,  items that makes 14 copper on the vendor for instance are being sold for 15 copper on the TP which would cost the seller 2 copper just to put it on there and eventually nets him a result of -1 copper on the whole deal. Are there really that many people that are unaware of this?

I think this part of the TP still needs work, yes. You just shouldnt be able to put a price lower than minimum profits for the seller.

I personally never sells for less than 50% over the vendortrash price out of principle. I dont give away stuff for free, I am a theif FFS.

can always tell when somebody has no friends and is anti-social....despite being in a social game.....

anyway, I happen to like the way i can get gear just above or at vendor prices, makes buying gear for leveling my new "toons" affordable, and as I out level gear, i just use mymobile mystic forge to roll the dice and hope for better gear.....

honestly, I dont see this being a problem at all...

I wont sell much below the price others are offering at, (i had an exotic set of shoulders a while back for 4gold+silver for them, somebody had a purchase order up for 10 silver over vendor price.....i put it up at 1 copper below the lowest one that somebody had up for offer and next day...sold!!!) 

I use TP to unload stuff that will sell instantly OR that has a decent chance of selling in a decent amount of time on tp....even if its not much over vendor price, some stuff is not worth trecking to an outpost/down/camp to sell....specially when doing map completion or leveling....walking 5-10min to find a vendor isnt worth the trek back and lost leveling/completion time for me.