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  Aerowyn

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10/08/12 12:59:33 AM#21
Originally posted by observer

The "grind" is optional.  If you want a super amazing looking set, then set that as your goal.  If you don't want it, then don't do it.  I really hate when players complain that there isn't anything to do.  There's a lot of things to do, they just don't want to do them.  They might not like the content, but it's there.

End-game gear isn't the only thing to strive for in GW2.  Same goes for almost all MMOs, such as, Lotro, WoW, AoC, Swtor, etc.

  • 400 Max. for all crafting disciplines.
  • Explorable Dungeon runs for gear.
  • WvW.
  • SPvP (ranks).
  • 100% map completion.
  • Achievements. (there's a lot of these)
  • Personal Story.
  • Alts.
  • Mystic Forge discoveries.
  • Jumping Puzzles.
  • Dynamic Events (hundreds?).
  • Roleplay (if you're into it).
  • Create your own guild/public events (be creative).
  • etc..

and to me how many of those you enjoy will really determine what the longevity of this game will be for you.. but like any other game if only one or two of those interest you your playtime isn't going to be as extensive as someone who wants to do most or all of them.. games are what you make of them GW2 offers a TON of stuff to do for a just released game just depends how much of that stuff interests you or not.

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  Rhoklaw

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10/08/12 1:06:57 AM#22
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by observer

The "grind" is optional.  If you want a super amazing looking set, then set that as your goal.  If you don't want it, then don't do it.  I really hate when players complain that there isn't anything to do.  There's a lot of things to do, they just don't want to do them.  They might not like the content, but it's there.

End-game gear isn't the only thing to strive for in GW2.  Same goes for almost all MMOs, such as, Lotro, WoW, AoC, Swtor, etc.

  • 400 Max. for all crafting disciplines.
  • Explorable Dungeon runs for gear.
  • WvW.
  • SPvP (ranks).
  • 100% map completion.
  • Achievements. (there's a lot of these)
  • Personal Story.
  • Alts.
  • Mystic Forge discoveries.
  • Jumping Puzzles.
  • Dynamic Events (hundreds?).
  • Roleplay (if you're into it).
  • Create your own guild/public events (be creative).
  • etc..

and to me how many of those you enjoy will really determine what the longevity of this game will be for you.. but like any other game if only one or two of those interest you your playtime isn't going to be as extensive as someone who wants to do most or all of them.. games are what you make of them GW2 offers a TON of stuff to do for a just released game just depends how much of that stuff interests you or not.

For me, GW2 is all about WvW but its unfortunate there isn't more for 1 or 2 people to do. Aside from killing supply cows, you need a group to do anything else. Maybe thats only true cause there are no healers / buff classes.

  observer

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10/08/12 1:09:30 AM#23
Originally posted by Aerowyn

and to me how many of those you enjoy will really determine what the longevity of this game will be for you.. but like any other game if only one or two of those interest you your playtime isn't going to be as extensive as someone who wants to do most or all of them.. games are what you make of them GW2 offers a TON of stuff to do for a just released game just depends how much of that stuff interests you or not.

This is true, but the most standard things on that list are: Questing, PvP, and Achievements.  And Swtor, GW2, and i think TSW(?) bring Story as a standard now.  This is why it's funny when players complain about themeparks, and their "grind", and now they complain there is no progression / carrot-on-stick (or non-grind).  Players are bi-polar in what they want.  Haha.

  User Deleted
10/08/12 1:48:28 AM#24

Like I said earlier hit 80 got all my Exotics 6 of them, one I had to do 3 chains because I didnt have enough karma, took me about 30 mins 42K karma per exotic, bought all my accessories, had enough coin and then + 50 Gold to do so, I dont know where the grind is but ok.

 

if you think going through the game and then doing 3 chains is grinding then =) I was grinding.

 

It might have been easier for me because I do run my own guild and we do have events every week where we help lower levels and ourselves achive 80 and geared status so we can WvW.

 

 

  xpiher

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10/08/12 3:23:00 AM#25
Originally posted by Magnetia
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by Torvaldr
People bitch about grind and then if there is no grind they bitch about not having anything to do or having goals to accomplish.  Which is it?  Grind or boredom?  These are persistent online games so having things to grind out gives players something to achieve.

Think people are "bitching" about being sold one thing, then grinding dungeons like the others.

sold what? game is as they said in this regard. You are not required to grind any dungeons to enjoy all games content with max stat gear.

I am certainly not decked out in exotic gear. Max stat gear does require some grind, but the benefit gained is not super large. 

41k Karma per karma vendor armour, 10-12 gold per cultural piece, 200-300 tokens per piece for dungeon armour.

There is grind with max level gear, but rares and even blue gear is good enough for every bit of content in the game.

Once again people prove they don't know how the game works. MAX EXOTIC GEAR IS FROM CRAFTING. All the stuff you just listed is FOR LOOKS. 

 

GW2 is the first game that has released with this amount of content in a long long time. It has replay value as each race has serveral different options for personal play. 


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  Xasapis

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10/08/12 3:31:25 AM#26

I'm not sure where the content you're referring to is tbh. If it wasn't for WvW and a good guild, I'd be looking for a different mmorpg, since the only thing left to do is to grind for legendaries. PvE content lasted me as much as the one in SW:TOR did and it is as much repeatable to somebody with 100% map completion. And lets face it, GW2 personal story is even less interesting than SW:TOR was.

Good thing WvW is there to save the day.

 

Of course, you can argue that SW:TOR developers spent a metric ton of money to produce as much content as a B2P cash shop game and I would agree.

  Bladestrom

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10/08/12 3:31:41 AM#27
Here we go again with the misuse of the word grind. Grind = being forced to do a repetitive action that you don't want to do. For example not grinding for an armor set puts you at a disadvantage. Gw2 does not force you to do anything.

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  xpiher

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10/08/12 3:55:13 AM#28
Originally posted by Xasapis

I'm not sure where the content you're referring to is tbh. If it wasn't for WvW and a good guild, I'd be looking for a different mmorpg, since the only thing left to do is to grind for legendaries. PvE content lasted me as much as the one in SW:TOR did and it is as much repeatable to somebody with 100% map completion. And lets face it, GW2 personal story is even less interesting than SW:TOR was.

Good thing WvW is there to save the day.

 

Of course, you can argue that SW:TOR developers spent a metric ton of money to produce as much content as a B2P cash shop game and I would agree.

 

I'm assuming you are talking to me. The content is there, but not if you only like gear grind tread mills for content. I take it you are only playing 1 character? Have you don't world completion? You won't see just how much content there is if all you do is rush from one DE to the next and only play 1 character. Hell, each race has at least 4 different options to making at least the first half of the game a different experience. Thats content.


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  Xasapis

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10/08/12 4:08:57 AM#29

Yes, I dislike alts tbh and since I found the personal story of my first kind of generic in nature, I don't feel inclined to roll any alts just for that. I do have 100% map completion, so I've seen pretty much everything there is to see in the open world. I've also got over 400 hours /age at this point, though the majority of them is spent in WvW. This is the only content I find non repeatable or grindy in nature.

 

The only other repeatable content that would be interesting in other mmorpgs, dungeons, is just not appealing enough. Maybe if the dungeons resemble more the dynamic events and less a headless (tankless) chicken approach to dungeoning, I would be inclined to play. As of now, unless I decide to start the token grind for the legendaries, I don't see myself setting foot any more in them.

  jondifool

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10/08/12 4:17:35 AM#30
Originally posted by Bladestrom
Here we go again with the misuse of the word grind. Grind = being forced to do a repetitive action that you don't want to do. For example not grinding for an armor set puts you at a disadvantage. Gw2 does not force you to do anything.

Exsactly what the word means- and though not entirely true that Gw2 does not force you to do any grind. There isn't enough high end Zones to avoid having to repeat alot of stuff if you want to equip in top gear.

if you stay with your lvl curve you will get to lvl 80, in a mix of green, yellow and orange-( the orange gotten from map compleation). You can get a really long way down the road if willing to mix equipment from crafting, karma, wvw and all they other sources. If going to have a complete set from one source, you will have to grind it out. Trading can go along way to accomplish this. But there is a huge differense in the wealth availble for an active Guild member and a solo player.

Alot of players are simply not taken advantage to all what GW2 has to offer to avoid grind- and alot are willing to live with the grind to actual get a complete set from one source, instead of mixing it up.

IMHO ArenaNet have tried to get the balance right but havent really hit it spot on, but its close. Alot will be remedied with expansions as more Highend lvl Zones for sure will make it feel less of a grind to achive your goal in the game.

 

 

 

 

 

read how to create a succesfull mmo before posting about GW2. And read tao of ArenaNet before talking about innovation in GW2

  Dakeru

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10/08/12 4:34:07 AM#31

Since it has been said that grind is something forced and negative and I agree to that - I have to say that I am doing a volunteer grind.

Camping a certain and regular DE to get a lot of rare level 80 gear. Salvaging them all to farm Globs of Ectoplasm.

My gear right now is just green tier gear which i bought for >cheap< from the tradepost. It fully suffices though, so grinding for something better IS optinonal.

  User Deleted
10/08/12 4:46:17 AM#32

Any grind (in a videogame) is inherently  voluntary.

 

If your endgame is to kill a boss that requires a specific item level - you grind it out.

If your endgame is to dress up your toon in fancy clothes - you grind that out instead.

 

If you feel forced to do any of the above - you've got to stop. Like, right now. Just stop playing that particular game. If you're being pressured by your guildmates / friends, and are willing to endure the grind to keep playing with them - have the decency not to cry about it here.

  Zefire

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10/08/12 5:00:32 AM#33

if u want to earn gold and get stylised items with power/precision stats u have to grind.

I remember grinding dungeons many hours same and same thing all the time.

When i finished i did some wvw for one day then i got bored.

  lilHeala

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10/08/12 5:05:29 AM#34

Like others have pointed out, the grind is optional. You can do all content in game without having full exotics, dungeon or cultural gear sets. The stat difference with green or yellow items is very minimal.

A lot of players I've seen complain about the grind are those that are still chasing gear like they're used from other games and just look at how long it takes to get it when focusing on just that and nothing else. Even though they often also tend to complain about gear progression, they're unable to let go of that mindset. Like conditioned animals (skritt?).

  Loke666

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10/08/12 5:09:38 AM#35
Originally posted by vigg2004

I'm approaching level 80 in GW2, and I'm looking to the future.  I've seen several posts here indicating that there is a huge grind at endgame, be it DE's, dungeons or WvW, if you want to get good/rare gear.  Is this true?  Was GW2 not supposed to do away with grinding the same content over and over?

Thanks for the info!

Not really. I hit 80 last week, crafted my first piece of exotic endgame armor the day after.

Basically you need 5 ecto for each piece, and as I have leather I also need a few pieces of gossamer silk and some hardened leather. Leather did cost me 34 copper a bit (I needed 10 bits for my jacket) and gosammer silk was expensive, around 1.5 silver each (I needed 20 bits). Then I also used 15s or so for thread.

Ecto cost around 18 silver each, but you get it cheaper by using a Black lion salvage kit on high level rare and exotic items. I used 4 rare lvl 75-80 drops to get 5 ectos but then I might have been a little lucky. A master salvage kit means you need twice as many rares to get the ectos.

So, no it is not really expensive if you can craft the gear or know someone who can. 1 gold for the ecto, and the rest actually drop in Orr and Frostgorge.

What is grindy and expensive is legendary weapons and dungeon gear but they are not really better than the crafted exo gear.

  User Deleted
10/08/12 5:28:48 AM#36

I'm full exotics now on my "main" warrior, and I never did grind anything. Crafted exotics.

There's nothing even remotely close to the grinds which are necessary in any of the WoW/EQ clones at max level to become competitive in PvE and PvP. And there's absolutely no "tier" grind.

  Bladestrom

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10/08/12 10:45:03 AM#37
I'm 6 exotic Armor, with only accessories left which is planned. I got those by just playing the game normally I.e a mixture of everything. 82k karma, 42 of which I got levelling to 80 and 14 gold gathered since the game started. I have gathered all gems on way so close to 400 jc to get my other bits for cost price.

So. Max gear for about 16 gold compared to repeating a dungeon for 3 days a week for 6 months-only to have that armor made vendor trash when the next expansion comes. Spot the grind.

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  TeknoBug

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Joined: 10/13/07
Posts: 2166

10/08/12 10:52:13 AM#38


Originally posted by Elandir90
i guess the lack of grind that's driving people off, they don't have a "goal", no treadmill to run. 

I find this funny, because the grind treadmill is what runs ME off, the endgame is actually decent in this game, I haven't covered much of many maps yet and haven't run all the dungeons yet and I love pvp'ing (and without subs, I'll be doing it for a long time).


  BadSpock

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Joined: 8/21/04
Posts: 7769

Logic be damned!

10/08/12 10:55:33 AM#39

Thankfully my so far #3 looking set I just got cheap while leveling (it's the Lionguard heavy armor look) and my #2 set is purchasable w/ gold at lvl 60 (human heavy Tier 2 cultural) while my #4 is also $ purchase (human Tier 3 heavy cultural)

so the only set I have to grind for is the dungeon set from CM (heavy)

For looks anyway.

Been trying to save my karma for 80 purchases of exotics.

Anyone know if you can get the Lionguard shield + weapon models?

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  Naral

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Joined: 1/07/10
Posts: 754

10/08/12 10:57:23 AM#40
Originally posted by Bladestrom
I'm 6 exotic Armor, with only accessories left which is planned. I got those by just playing the game normally I.e a mixture of everything. 82k karma, 42 of which I got levelling to 80 and 14 gold gathered since the game started. I have gathered all gems on way so close to 400 jc to get my other bits for cost price.

So. Max gear for about 16 gold compared to repeating a dungeon for 3 days a week for 6 months-only to have that armor made vendor trash when the next expansion comes. Spot the grind.

The question is (and I do not mean this in a snarky way, but a serious question) what will you be doing for the next six months now that you pretty much have everything this game has to offer?

Again, I really do not mean this in a snarky way, it is something I am struggling with in the game, as much as I like it. I just am not sure I can find anything to keep me here when everything seems relatively easy to accomplish, and in very little time when compared to other games.

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