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  TeknoBug

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10/05/12 8:18:02 AM#121

^ I don't think they were botting/afk'ing for karma, they were botting/afk'ing for loot.


  Stx11

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10/05/12 10:44:47 AM#122
Originally posted by TeknoBug

^ I don't think they were botting/afk'ing for karma, they were botting/afk'ing for loot.

I think they were doing it for Karma, Gear, Gold, and XP.

Don't forget they sell "Leveling Services" as well. "AFK Leveling" would by far be the cheapest way for them to do it... 

and also sadly how some people will chose to "level" while in class/at work/asleep too.

Besides if you "roam around" or change dungeon paths you won't hit any of the DR so there's no need for "special adjustments" for Karma.

  AvatarBlade

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10/05/12 11:03:40 AM#123
Originally posted by Stx11
Originally posted by TeknoBug

^ I don't think they were botting/afk'ing for karma, they were botting/afk'ing for loot.

I think they were doing it for Karma, Gear, Gold, and XP.

Don't forget they sell "Leveling Services" as well. "AFK Leveling" would by far be the cheapest way for them to do it... 

and also sadly how some people will chose to "level" while in class/at work/asleep too.

Besides if you "roam around" or change dungeon paths you won't hit any of the DR so there's no need for "special adjustments" for Karma.

Actually, once I hit DR, I even changed maps and still had DR on. And as I said before, don't think you can hit the 6k/30min DR by doing afk farming.

  Stx11

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10/05/12 12:32:28 PM#124
Originally posted by AvatarBlade

Actually, once I hit DR, I even changed maps and still had DR on. And as I said before, don't think you can hit the 6k/30min DR by doing afk farming.

That sounds like you were hit by the bug that affected some people - not the system working as intended.

  Redhawk2006

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10/07/12 9:52:24 AM#125
Originally posted by BadSpock

Sounds like patch today fixed some bugs with DR triggering too early/soon.

But this is life - and it is also war.

War against bots, spammers, hackers, cheaters...

The innocent always suffer in war.

If YOU can't farm the same dungeon or DE chain over and over legitimately, but at the same time if an automated BOT or gold farmer working with compromised accounts is stopped because of it - I'm all for it.

That whole "those who give up freedom for security deserve neither" or whatever quote is unrealistic, niave bullshit.

 

This makes as much sense as destroying villages to save them from communism. Ruining the game for everybody to tackle botters is idiotic and self-defeating, assuming that is their actual agenda and not limiting players ability to acquire mats. As should be obvious none of this is dissuading botters who are all still over the place. Most of these obvious botters are painfully obvious, and Anet could easily hire someone for $10 an hour to go through all the areas they tend to congregate and ban them. if in doubt, leave them be. They certainly showed no reluctance banning people for "bad" names and other trivial offenses. It might not catch the more sophisticated botters, but the real dumb ones with multiple accounts teleporting around with names like "Guardian A, Guardian B etc," you can spot from a mile away.

But as someone speculated on the official forums, botters are paid players too, better ones than normal in fact as they tend to buy multiple accounts. They have to be allowed to profit before Anet brings down the hammer or they will not buy more accounts and Anet will lose money. They already have your money so you don't matter.

  sodade21

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10/07/12 10:45:07 AM#126
i understand that most bots using hacked accounts etc and ban those wont stop them from hacking another account and do their job.. so why companies dont PERMA BAN Gold Buyers instead???! if you buy Gold Perma ban end of story... 
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  xpiher

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Joined: 8/22/08
Posts: 3301

10/07/12 2:10:08 PM#127


Originally posted by sodade21 i understand that most bots using hacked accounts etc and ban those wont stop them from hacking another account and do their job.. so why companies dont PERMA BAN Gold Buyers instead???! if you buy Gold Perma ban end of story... 
They do both.

OP: The system isn't working as intended. ANET has admitted that. They are working to fix it. It has some bugs, and its too harsh in some cases. Be patient 


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  User Deleted
10/07/12 7:58:42 PM#128

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/info/news/Update-Notes-October-7th-2012

"We’ve relaxed our anti-exploiting system for loot and events."

/thread

  Redhawk2006

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10/07/12 8:37:19 PM#129
Originally posted by eggy08

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/info/news/Update-Notes-October-7th-2012

"We’ve relaxed our anti-exploiting system for loot and events."

/thread

 

Which means what, exactly? You can go an hour now before Dr sets in vs a half hour before? They need to do away with the DR crap or at least be honest about when it sets in.

  rachmat19

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10/07/12 9:02:13 PM#130
Only way to know is to test it yourself... That, or wait for a day before people start talking about it again...
  Torvaldr

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10/07/12 9:32:01 PM#131
Originally posted by Xzen
Originally posted by botrytis
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by Volkon
Originally posted by BadSpock

Sounds like patch today fixed some bugs with DR triggering too early/soon.

But this is life - and it is also war.

War against bots, spammers, hackers, cheaters...

The innocent always suffer in war.

If YOU can't farm the same dungeon or DE chain over and over legitimately, but at the same time if an automated BOT or gold farmer working with compromised accounts is stopped because of it - I'm all for it.

That whole "those who give up freedom for security deserve neither" or whatever quote is unrealistic, niave bullshit.

 

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

 

It's a good quote, and intact and in context it makes perfect sense. However sliced apart then applied to a game, yeah, it's a load of crap.

It is an awesome quote which unfourtunately does not show its true meaning when a free an open system becomes totalitarian and counterproductive to what it claimed to do. E.g. to implement stringent security to protect your freedom just to have it destroying freedom more than whatever perceived threat it was protecting from.

For me this anti farming and DR mechanics is just a simple and bad solution for a complex problem. If they had an AI that was not so predictable and easy to beat, you would not have so many bots. But creating a great AI is expensive...

They used in GW1 and people did complain at first but learned to  work within the system and the game went on.

 

The AI is not predictable as in Rift and other games. Also, the spawns seem really random (notice I said seems).  The trick is, there are certain places spawns don't happen and that is what botting uses.

I've seen this a few times however I have farmed feathers and hero armor items in GW1 for hours and hours and never experienced it.

They said in the Massively article that they are working out a few kinks to allow players to enjoy legit farming.  Remember back when they first implemented anti-farming in GW1?  There were some irritating behaviors with it.  They're pretty good about working those out and do patch fairly frequently.

Curse you AquaScum!

  IrishChai

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10/07/12 9:48:48 PM#132

 

It would be nice if we could sort out the facts from fiction before arguing over it.

  User Deleted
10/07/12 9:51:24 PM#133
Originally posted by IrishChai

 

It would be nice if we could sort out the facts from fiction before arguing over it.

But that would be logical and not involve fallacies thrown out by both parties to gain the upper hand.

[mod edit]

  IrishChai

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10/07/12 9:52:29 PM#134
Originally posted by Enigmatus
Originally posted by IrishChai

 

It would be nice if we could sort out the facts from fiction before arguing over it.

But that would be logical and not involve fallacies thrown out by both parties to gain the upper hand.

[mod edit]

 

lol so true

  xpiher

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10/07/12 10:25:00 PM#135


Originally posted by Redhawk2006

Originally posted by eggy08 https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/info/news/Update-Notes-October-7th-2012 "We’ve relaxed our anti-exploiting system for loot and events." /thread
  Which means what, exactly? You can go an hour now before Dr sets in vs a half hour before? They need to do away with the DR is a great way to stop people from mindlessly farming the same area and a good way to keep the economy going by preventing saturation and also helps to thwart gold sellers. DR crap or at least be honest about when it sets in.
DR isn't suppose to hit players if they change areas. If it does, its bugged. ANET is working on it. Deal with it for now.


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  Redhawk2006

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10/08/12 3:59:05 AM#136
Originally posted by xpiher

 



DR isn't suppose to hit players if they change areas. If it does, its bugged. ANET is working on it. Deal with it for now.

 

 

Oz has spoken. I feel so reassured now. Yet Oz hasn't given any specifics as to how his anti-player mechanic is supposed to work.

You deal with it.

  EvilGeek

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My freedom relies on yours

10/08/12 4:04:34 AM#137


We’ve relaxed our anti-exploiting system for loot and events

From todays patch notes

Spent some of yesterday running around Orr doing events, DR didn't kick in, did roughly five events in a row, surprised as previously DR seemed to kick in on mob drops for me quite early, think it may not have been working as intended for me. Publishing exactly how it works would be doing the botters a favour so guess work is our only option.


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