Originally posted by TheIronLegion

Originally posted by observer
I've had several topics and posts deleted too.  The mods over there are over-zealous, compared to these forums and others.  So i understand where the OP is coming from.

Not necessarily. It is their forum and as such they more stringient rules than an open forum like this one. On this forum several games are discussed across a few different genres and sub-genres and a small force of mods moderate them all. They have to use a fairly loose(and strict on certain subjects) set of rules to help keep their boards clean. Arenanet has every right to remove a thread that negatively adresses someone within the company or the company itself. It's like if someone goes into Walmart or Best Buy and starts shouting non-sense about the company or even spouting internal secrets they can easily ask you to leave or have you removed. It is their place of business. While the forums aren't a tangible space they are part of arenanet's place of business as well as their game.

but mine was asked as a question because they haven't answerd the issue not from these past 4 patches they had. i wasnt insulting anyone. i was asking a straight up question. where there is 3 answers you can give. a yes b. no and c. i dont give a fuck. but they gave me that infraction shit lol. . 

Originally posted by evolver1972

Originally posted by aligada87

Originally posted by evolver1972

Originally posted by aligada87

Originally posted by Scalpless

Originally posted by aligada87

next time they should put it under code of conduct not to ask questions directly towards their dev because we simply don't like it. cause i did not see anything in their code of conduct that was similar to that lol. oh and i read all the code of conducts of mmos i play. also you can't make that analogy about that situation because i bought the game. thats like saying you bought a property and they still have a say in it and you cant practice your right. lol you just made me rofl with this comment

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/rules

<div rules"="">

• Do not engage in staff call-outs. Using the words “ArenaNet” or any staff member’s name will not expedite the answer to your query.

 

so where does it say the infraction part if you decide to do so? i mean to recieve that type of punishment over my first offence lol. you just proved my point ty

"Forum moderators have full discretion to address any behavior that they feel is inappropriate. Your membership and participation in these forums is a privilege and not a right. ArenaNet reserves the right to suspend or terminate your access to these forums and/or to the game itself at any time for reasons that include, but are not necessarily limited to, your failure to abide by this Code of Conduct."

 

A few paragraphs above his quote.  It's all there if you take the time to read it.

you just proved my point that they think they are the law. they will practice their power whenever they feel like. and if someone speaks up dun dun dun banned. look at the title of the thread :) aka anets are mofos

They are the law in THEIR FORUMS!  What is so hard to understand about that?

 

Also, the issue you have with the minions is already listed in the necro thread.  So much for the banned for speaking up thing.

 

Besides, were you banned?  According to your OP here, you were just moderated.

meh i uninstalled the game just now anyways. got nothing to do at lvl 80. just going back to eve and scam people and blow ships up. best part is people can't hide from anyone there because ccp is greatest company ever. anet should take lessons from ccp

Originally posted by Scalpless

Originally posted by aligada87

Originally posted by Scalpless

Originally posted by aligada87

next time they should put it under code of conduct not to ask questions directly towards their dev because we simply don't like it. cause i did not see anything in their code of conduct that was similar to that lol. oh and i read all the code of conducts of mmos i play. also you can't make that analogy about that situation because i bought the game. thats like saying you bought a property and they still have a say in it and you cant practice your right. lol you just made me rofl with this comment

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/rules

<div rules"="">

• Do not engage in staff call-outs. Using the words “ArenaNet” or any staff member’s name will not expedite the answer to your query.

 

so where does it say the infraction part if you decide to do so? 

"You agree that ArenaNet may take whatever steps it deems necessary to maintain a suitable forum environment at its sole discretion and without notice to you."

Really, it's common sense. If you break their code of conduct, they mod you.

That's a bullshit line you are quoting and it probably invalidates the whole "agreement" because there is no chance in hell that Arenanet could charge you 2000 dollars without notifying the user just because Arenanet deems it to be necessary to maintain a suitable forum environment. 

Isn't there a law against attempting to create contracts that break the law?

Originally posted by aligada87

I know there was just a post just made about this matter, but when are we necromancers actually going to start seeing the fix in the ai system of our minions. or do you guys have even any plans of fixing the ai of minions at all?

 That is pretty much asking for trouble right off the bat. If there's already a discussion on it, then post in that thread, end of story. No need to start calling people names. It's common sense really.

The whole "there is already a thread on this" has always been a way for moderators to censor uncomfortable subjects. At best it amounts to forcing everyone to discuss the issue in a topic that is buried hundreds of pages back and will never be seen by anyone. If there is another running discussion on the issue tthey should close the thread and provide a link to that thread, not delete the thread. Somehow I doubt  if he was singing Anet's praises and gloating over how  the Precious was the most amazing thing to ever exist they wouldn't have told him to take his fawning to an existing thread.

"Use the search function" is also a good one for anyone who has ever tried to actually use the search function on a web site. The odds that you will get anything less than  5000 entries that have nothing to do with the search terms are nil. Okay, someone will now run off to Anet forums to prove me wrong using search terms that match an existing thread identically. The point is your ability to find relevant info is only as good as your search terms and the site's search function, and most of the time, using the search function on a web site is useless. I use Google to search for stuff here, for example, and even then it's hit or miss.

I find snotty, obsequious fanboi defenses of game companies and their self-serving, authoritarian approaches to dealing with their customers revolting. The fact so many defend every bogus thing these companies do is the reason the industry is so broken and dysfunctional. No one holds their feet over the fire for their failures and stupidity.

Originally posted by JoeyMMO

Originally posted by aligada87

I know there was just a post just made about this matter, but when are we necromancers actually going to start seeing the fix in the ai system of our minions. or do you guys have even any plans of fixing the ai of minions at all?

 That is pretty much asking for trouble right off the bat. If there's already a discussion on it, then post in that thread, end of story. No need to start calling people names. It's common sense really.

Yeah, as I see it, OP shot himself in the foot with that opening, odds are the moderator just took him at his word and decided to lock/delete the thread and issue the warning.  (they don't always put a lot of thought into these things, after all, they've got hundreds of tickets to go through)

And the OP forgets, company forums, company rules, they are in fact, "the law", so what they say goes.  You the consumer are free to cancel your sub and move on. Oh wait, you don't even have that little bit of consumer power, they already got all the money from you up front. 

People running Perfect World must be slapping themselves in the heads, thinking ANET's scheme is pure genius, convince western players to play a F2P/cash shop game by charging them an up front cost first and call it B2P, brilliant.   But I digress.

OP accused others in EVE of being naive and falling for scams, but did he really expect a direct answer to a question about bug fixing in a company game forum? Has anyone ever seen this in a major companies game?  Only in a few rare instances, generally Dev replies are aimed at a broad audiance and more of an annoucement about a specific issue, but not a reply to a specific poster/question.

I'm quite sure they are aware of Necromancer pet pathing issues, and I'm equally sure that's a bit further down the list compared to some of the other issues they are facing.  Will they get around to fixing it one day, probably.  Will they ever tell you in advance, maybe not.

If anyones really that upset, consider rolling a different class and set your necromancer aside for now, after all, you aren't paying a sub, you can always return once they get the issue resolved.

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so basically i can't even ask a simple question now towards the dev without violating code of conduct? i mean i didn't even ask in a vulgar way. a simple yes or no would've been fine or a simple reply from john saying we have plans in the future blablabla. but to even say i violated code of conduct over 1 simple question? arena net are some corrupted mofos

their game, their forum, their rights. live with is.

Originally posted by Redhawk2006

The whole "there is already a thread on this" has always been a way for moderators to censor uncomfortable subjects. At best it amounts to forcing everyone to discuss the issue in a topic that is buried hundreds of pages back and will never be seen by anyone.

Like the stickied thread on top of the necro forum?

If youi have a pile of protesters,do you then say well,that guy over there is already protesting and has a sign,the rest of you should go home?Also if a protest is taking place,this does not mean nobody else is allowed to start up a protest.Sure there is a big difference,the forum is not a public place,it is a private place.However when you try to take away rights just becuase you have your own personal agenda to HIDE,it is not one that should be accepted.

I wonder has Anet responded in the original thread?I bet they have not,as often  people who make mistakes do NOT stand up and account for themeselves MUCh easier to HIDE the truth.

What makes this even worse is the fact you are not just protesting ,you are protesting agaisnt something you PAID for and expected a  satisfactory product.

My opinion is that if a developer is AFRAID to admit fault or afraid to have their mistakes go public,they are not worth supporting.Imagine how many OTHER problems have been hidden from the paying customers?It  is VERY easy to have a problem hidden in a forum because after a few days that thread gets dissolved by all the other threads and nobody will see it.

Get a refund on your CC on basis of an unsatisfacxtory product and send them an email telling them how you feel about the way they treat PAYING customers.

Originally posted by Wizardry

I wonder has Anet responded in the original thread?I bet they have not,as often  people who make mistakes do NOT stand up and account for themeselves MUCh easier to HIDE the truth.

This is the original thread:

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/necromancer/Necromancer-bugs-compilation-NB64-NT15-NP6

This is how Jon Peters responded to it:

Originally posted by BTrayaL

Originally posted by aligada87

Originally posted by BTrayaL

In regard to the thread title, well.... they ARE the law, in their game.

The thread was not entirely malicious, but if you do know that this problem was debated in another thread, why did you start your own? I hate users that create threads just because they can.

You could have just reported the bug, right?

sometimes if you want to get heard you have to directly do something that will be noticable. reason why i created this thread and it was directly a question towards john peters. it's not a matter of you can or not. that is how life is dude. if you ever want to be heard you don't sit behind someone else to talk for you. that is why they have debates in countries :)

I meant why did you start another thread and not debate the problem in the existing one? Was that not the most logical choice?

Do we really need to start each of us a thread about the same problem/question? Can't we all join in on a single thread and discuss it there, like we do here?

P.S. Aww, I see, you're one of the guys that adresses the devs directly, and demands a reply, because they have nothing to do but watch the forums for that special user. Get over it, and use existing threads!

This.

It's their game.  Their forums.  They are the law.

Normally, Anet would have removed the thread or just copied it to the original.  But in the OP's post, the OP openly admitted to starting a new thread despite the fact that a thread had already been created on the subject.  That in itself violates the CoC.

In the OP's comments here, they noted that they made their post with the idea of nagging Anet until they provide an answer that he/she would accept.  Hopefully they understand that badgering others is also against the CoC.

Originally posted by Scalpless

Originally posted by Wizardry

I wonder has Anet responded in the original thread?I bet they have not,as often  people who make mistakes do NOT stand up and account for themeselves MUCh easier to HIDE the truth.

This is the original thread:

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/necromancer/Necromancer-bugs-compilation-NB64-NT15-NP6

This is how Jon Peters responded to it:

"This is a phenomenal thread. There are so many moving pieces in this game that this is a great way for you help us track issues. I will sticky this thread and get working on fixes for these right away. It might be a week or so before you see these changes in game. I would encourage other profession forums to do the same thing so that we can iron out all of the kinks in skills & traits so that we can more easily figure out which aspects require balance updates and which are just a matter of bugs.

Thanks,

Jon"

It's in red. On top of their forum. Stickied. If this is how they hide threads, they must suck at it. This freedom of speech BS is so old and pops on every forum, usually when TC has blatantly violated that forum's Code of Conduct (in this case, twice in the same topic) and comes to another forum to whine about it. Necromancer is a class full of bugs. ANet knows it. Their forum shows it. There's a lot of good topics there, discussing how the class is broken and what should be done.

Priceless, thanks for posting this.  /end thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvJiYrRcfQo&feature=related

Enjoy

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so basically i can't even ask a simple question now towards the dev without violating code of conduct?

Was it a violation of the forum ruies? If not then they gave you a way to get that overturned.

If it was then "you violated the forum rules". Don't do that and "you'll be good."

Originally posted by aligada87

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by aligada87

Originally posted by BTrayaL

Originally posted by aligada87

Originally posted by BTrayaL

In regard to the thread title, well.... they ARE the law, in their game.

The thread was not entirely malicious, but if you do know that this problem was debated in another thread, why did you start your own? I hate users that create threads just because they can.

You could have just reported the bug, right?

sometimes if you want to get heard you have to directly do something that will be noticable. reason why i created this thread and it was directly a question towards john peters. it's not a matter of you can or not. that is how life is dude. if you ever want to be heard you don't sit behind someone else to talk for you. that is why they have debates in countries :)

I meant why did you start another thread and not debate the problem in the existing one? Was that not the most logical choice?

Do we really need to start each of us a thread about the same problem/question? Can't we all join in on a single thread and discuss it there, like we do here?

P.S. Aww, I see, you're one of the guys that adresses the devs directly, and demands a reply, because they have nothing to do but watch the forums for that special user. Get over it, and use existing threads!

because it's simple the question wasn't being asked here is one of my proof. chrome://newtabhttps//forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/professions/necromancer/Necromancer-minions/first#post372977 read how little it was discussed. and also see how  little it was talked about. that is why i went for a more direct approach but apparently you cant do that with anet because it violates code of conduct. listen i don't know where you're from but here in united states we have rights lol. guess just not used to it with anet limiting me on that. sorry if i sound piss just anet pissed me off.

Lol, I love these free speech dudes, so naive, try going to your local mall and preaching your topic of the day, see how your free speech works for you there.

Free speech is a good thing, it allows you to say things in public places without fear of arrest, however it does not give you the right to come into my house and say what you like, I can throw you out for the slightest of reasons. Simply, you went into ANets house and didn't respect their rules.

next time they should put it under code of conduct not to ask questions directly towards their dev because we simply don't like it. cause i did not see anything in their code of conduct that was similar to that lol. oh and i read all the code of conducts of mmos i play. also you can't make that analogy about that situation because i bought the game. thats like saying you bought a property and they still have a say in it and you cant practice your right. lol you just made me rofl with this comment

I don't normally involve myself in these type of threads because the concerned party has already made up their mind about the topic at hand but your last comment "moved" me to point out something you might not be aware of.  You can in fact own property and yet are VERY limited in what you can or cannot do with it.  In fact this is the NORM with all property you buy in the U.S.A.  Ultimately the State or in some cases (usually condo's or various gated communities) other parties you "purchase"  from will require you to ask permission if you want to do something to it or at the very least require you to get an exception to policy to proceed PRIOR to doing said action.  If you should move forward without getting permission you are at the whim of the "true" owner of the property.  Just in case you weren't aware this is how ALL MMORPG's operate today, like it not.

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so basically i can't even ask a simple question now towards the dev without violating code of conduct? i mean i didn't even ask in a vulgar way. a simple yes or no would've been fine or a simple reply from john saying we have plans in the future blablabla. but to even say i violated code of conduct over 1 simple question? arena net are some corrupted mofos

The answer is in the post for which it got deleted in the first place. Happens all the time. you see topics on the first page about still make your own thread. chances are it will be removed.

But i do think they are being a bit to strict with their moderation over there. I have gotten infractions points for things like being too sarcastic in a post for instance but in no way did i attack anyone or anything and the sarcasm could be taken with a grain of salt since that is often hard to discern in text.

I had more of those mssg's that made go ????? and i still have no clue what i did wrong in those posts. some i agree with and i did wrong sure but they do have some strange reasons to infract you over there.

People wanted A.Net to have their own forums and complained that they didn't. NOW that they have their own forum, people are complaining. It is their forum, their rules - period. If they are harsh on everyone equally, then it is not a problem - it is how they are running their forums.

I have been a forum mod and it is tough and thankless job.