Hellooo,

Are there any big upcoming games that don't have a cash shop or is this genre gone off the deep end. I'd like to know beforehand if I start a game that it won't have a cash shop 2 weeks after release, it's bad enough they do that pre-order stuff, now I have to deal with cash shops popping up everywhere. Any developers left with a spine?

Thank you.

I'm not a fan of them either.

Darkfall: Unholy Wars won't have a cash shop as far as I know.  Whether they have succeeded in rectifying the problems from Darkfall remains to be seen though.

This is a side effect of having just a few very large publishers controlling 90% of the market.  One of the EA executives recently said they wouldn't be green-lighting any project that doesn't have multiplayer built into it, which means we essentially have game design decisions being made that may or may not actually be in the best interest of the gameplay itself.

I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the trends towards cash shops are related, in that you have publishers saying "add in a revenue stream like a subscription or cash shop, or we aren't funding it."  Gone seem to be the days of games simply selling an expansion or two before releasing sequals.  Now we get nickled and dimed to death.

Darkfall but I would not reccomend this game unless you're big fan of twitch based open world PVP and you're ok with game being fully focused on this almost exclusively.

Final Fantasy XIV don't have cash shop afaik and developers haven't said nothing about having cash shops in FF XIV 2.0, but in today's world there is no guarantee and I haven't saw any dev comments reinforcing that it won't go freemium.  It might be your best bet though.

New games apart of that?    Nothing I know of unfortunatelly. 

Originally posted by Quirhid
With that attitude, I think we are better off without you than trying to explain to you why you are wrong. You'd do yourself a favor by viewing cash shops more openly.

How preferring not having cash shops is bad attitude?  You are yourself showing preety bad attitude here.

Originally posted by Quirhid
With that attitude, I think we are better off without you than trying to explain to you why you are wrong. You'd do yourself a favor by viewing cash shops more openly.

... as in, be more willing to open your wallet, as often as possible.

That's pretty much what Cash Shops, and the games built around them, are designed to do, after all.

Anyway, back on topic. As was noted, Rift doesn't have a cash shop, though that's not an upcoming game. Darkfall Unholy wars won't have one, so far as we know. Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn won't (again, unless they announce otherwise, which I don't expect they will).

There's probably others that I'm just not aware of.

I am with you op,it is a severe blemish that  will only get worse.

The careless that allow it and spend money on it,will only encourage devs to take it even further,until finally you are forced to spend or don't play.

I have not seen one f2p game worth a sub fee.I do NOT want to see games continue down this path of delivering sub par efforts just to meet the f2p delivery method.

Look no further than the current game GW2,is this what we want from MMO's a 2-4 week experience?That is barely  single player game quality.it took a year or LONGER for most to fully enjoy FFXi ,that is a HUGE difference in depth and quality.

FFXI was a game developed for the small time PS2,yet it carries characteristics MANY PC games do not.Example you walk up to a building,it has a moving door and an inside and NOT instanced.Anyone that understands game design knows that takes at LEAST 200% more effort than a plain static building.

These are the little things i want to see in my games,i want it to get BETTER not worse.Developers have the ability to create better physics at NO gpu cost,destructive surfaces,this genre could explode into something amazing if we eliminate this f2p trend.Developers simply will NOT go this extra mile if they see no further profit,they will insterad give you the bare minimum.

It's Cash Shop or Subscription. There is not a free mmo in existance.

When all the subscription mmos have given in to the incessant whinging of self entitled brats, the next step will be to shout down all the F2P titles WITH cash shops.

"How dare you make those items paid for, in that stupid shop, i'm cancelling, those shop items should be free."

All we will be left with is less than ridicuous shareware that no one plays.

Originally posted by Waterlily

Hellooo,

Are there any big upcoming games that don't have a cash shop or is this genre gone off the deep end. I'd like to know beforehand if I start a game that it won't have a cash shop 2 weeks after release, it's bad enough they do that pre-order stuff, now I have to deal with cash shops popping up everywhere. Any developers left with a spine?

Thank you.

What MMO were you playing before this that didn't sell extra services or items? Asheron's Call?

Which upcoming MMO doesn't have

Which upcoming MMOs don't have

Please fix title to one of those.

Having given up on the idea of keeping players for more than a few months end game hardly gets any desginer time at all. But they will all now spend alot of time developing the cash shop. Making sure thats well and truely polished for launch.

As gaming companies know we are not going to stay for that many months, I predicate an ever increasing amount of items including game altering items on offer at launch. After all, no point in bringing out 'Sword of Mega PVP'  but only after 3 months when most have gone and can't buy it.

Originally posted by fenistil

Originally posted by Quirhid
With that attitude, I think we are better off without you than trying to explain to you why you are wrong. You'd do yourself a favor by viewing cash shops more openly.

How preferring not having cash shops is bad attitude?  You are yourself showing preety bad attitude here.

Originally posted by TangentPoint

Originally posted by Quirhid
With that attitude, I think we are better off without you than trying to explain to you why you are wrong. You'd do yourself a favor by viewing cash shops more openly.

... as in, be more willing to open your wallet, as often as possible.

That's pretty much what Cash Shops, and the games built around them, are designed to do, after all.

Not all cash shops are bad. Not all of them are invasive or Pay 2 Win. Some games are entirely funded by a cash shop and that is perfectly fine. It doesn't make the game bad or worse than subscription-based games.

There's a weird notion going around that by paying a monthly subscription, you get quality, and I have not seen any evidence of this so far. So please explain to me, why do you hate cash shops?

Project Gorgon will have no cash shop.

FTP will have access to all combat skills and a few crafting/gathering skills

$4.99 gold will have access to all combat+crafting+gathering skills.

So if you don't care about crafting...

Originally posted by Quirhid

Not all cash shops are bad. Not all of them are invasive or Pay 2 Win. Some games are entirely funded by a cash shop and that is perfectly fine. It doesn't make the game bad or worse than subscription-based games.

There's a weird notion going around that by paying a monthly subscription, you get quality, and I have not seen any evidence of this so far. So please explain to me, why do you hate cash shops?

Sure, let there be cash shop games for players who like them.

The problem is, we're running out of MMOs for players who dislike them. I think the OP refers to this problem.

Me, I really don't like cash shops, never been able to get used to them. I don't like pay 2 win ones, and I don't like the "cosmetics only" ones.

The reason is simple: In my opinion, anything to be gained in a game should be only earned within the game, through the means of the game. Character power, character look, utility, anything. A game should be a closed system where real life money should not influence, or the whole thing feels jarring to me. That's why I don't even like perks like the ones that come with preorders.

So, my beef with cash shop games have nothing to do with quality. Whenever I see a "special" mount that you can only get by paying real money, I just want to log out. It just destroys the illusion of the gameworld to me.

Yeah, I'm a sucker for illusion! :)

Originally posted by Quirhid

Originally posted by fenistil

Originally posted by Quirhid
With that attitude, I think we are better off without you than trying to explain to you why you are wrong. You'd do yourself a favor by viewing cash shops more openly.

How preferring not having cash shops is bad attitude?  You are yourself showing preety bad attitude here.

Originally posted by TangentPoint

Originally posted by Quirhid
With that attitude, I think we are better off without you than trying to explain to you why you are wrong. You'd do yourself a favor by viewing cash shops more openly.

... as in, be more willing to open your wallet, as often as possible.

That's pretty much what Cash Shops, and the games built around them, are designed to do, after all.

Not all cash shops are bad. Not all of them are invasive or Pay 2 Win. Some games are entirely funded by a cash shop and that is perfectly fine. It doesn't make the game bad or worse than subscription-based games.

There's a weird notion going around that by paying a monthly subscription, you get quality, and I have not seen any evidence of this so far. So please explain to me, why do you hate cash shops?

I want mmorpg's that are separated from external factors as much as possible.   Total separation is not possible but cash shop definately add alot of it. In this regard it is not diffrent for me purely personally  than botting, gold selling or cheating or maybe more accurately like minor cheat codes just payed ones.  I dont judge anyone - some cash shops are made in a way that don't bother those game playerbase it seems so I am happy that they are happy. 

I just want to simply opt-out of games with CS (and rmah and gold selling,etc) and I am interested in games that don't have them.

I don't even like pre-order perks, special edition in-game perks or things like that though because they are one-time I learned to tolerate them, if they are very small.  It is not about quality.  Of course I don't want subpar games, but that's not it.

I will stop here as this is not topic for discussion about cash shops. 

OP asked about mmorpg's without cash shop and he has every right to ask and he has every right to want to play without cash shops like someone else has every right to want to play other games without subscription or even box price.  You just seem agressive about it.

If you want to discuss further or in more detail about why I don't like cash shops then feel free to PM me or even start a topic.