Originally posted by Quizzical
Is there some rule against discussing xfire?  I've seen a bunch of recent xfire threads that were locked shortly after they were created.  They're not duplicates of some other thread unless it's duplicates of a locked thread, or duplicates of an old thread that has long since scrolled off.

They claim they delete them because they always derail into the accuracy/usefulness of XFire.  Lame excuse in my opinion as they can deal with those derails on a poster by poster basis.

Originally posted by Acidon

Originally posted by Impulse47
I've been here a long time now. Every year the mods get a slightly longer stick up their asses. Very saddening as this board in general used to be awesome.

Having been warned recently (for good reason, I think), I certainly think about what I write more than I used to.  It certainly put a damper on how much I enjoy this site, but they gotta do what they gotta do.  

I don't feel that I can truly express my opinion any longer though.

It does in fact feel like the moderators here no longer want opinions to be freely expressed anymore. I've seen friends of mine banned in the past month for things that you'd think are impossible grounds for a ban. However, they go on nevertheless.

Also, emailing MikeB about a ban is impossible. He ignores emails, or will give you a canned response of "You were banned for good reason, deal with it". Even writing this giving my input might land me a temp-ban or a warning for speaking the truth. It's a very sad time when MMORPG used to be a good site to discuss the truth about MMO gaming in general.

However, nowadays if it isn't super positive & avoiding the direct subject at hand (ie: calling a game for what you believe it is) you're labeled a troll by the staff here and sent on your way. At times I feel like they don't want MMORPG to succeed as a site anymore. I wonder why :/

Originally posted by Quizzical
Is there some rule against discussing xfire?  I've seen a bunch of recent xfire threads that were locked shortly after they were created.  They're not duplicates of some other thread unless it's duplicates of a locked thread, or duplicates of an old thread that has long since scrolled off.

Apparenlty MikeB posted that he'd like the xfire threads to stop or be consolidated into one thread. It was post #162 or something in a thread long since burried...but apparenlty it is now the rule and the mods are enforcing it accordingly. Even tho nobody knows it's a rule....it seemed more like a suggestion when I read it.

I've been banned a few times but I deserved it lol  The moderating team does a good job, IMO.

Originally posted by SneakyRussian

Originally posted by Acidon

Originally posted by Impulse47
I've been here a long time now. Every year the mods get a slightly longer stick up their asses. Very saddening as this board in general used to be awesome.

Having been warned recently (for good reason, I think), I certainly think about what I write more than I used to.  It certainly put a damper on how much I enjoy this site, but they gotta do what they gotta do.  

I don't feel that I can truly express my opinion any longer though.

It does in fact feel like the moderators here no longer want opinions to be freely expressed anymore. I've seen friends of mine banned in the past month for things that you'd think are impossible grounds for a ban. However, they go on nevertheless.

 

Also, emailing MikeB about a ban is impossible. He ignores emails, or will give you a canned response of "You were banned for good reason, deal with it". Even writing this giving my input might land me a temp-ban or a warning for speaking the truth. It's a very sad time when MMORPG used to be a good site to discuss the truth about MMO gaming in general.

 

However, nowadays if it isn't super positive & avoiding the direct subject at hand (ie: calling a game for what you believe it is) you're labeled a troll by the staff here and sent on your way. At times I feel like they don't want MMORPG to succeed as a site anymore. I wonder why :/

Just for the record, I've emailed MikeB on numerous occasions, and while he may have ignored one or two, more often than not he responds.  Even better, I'd say he's overturned moderation actions that I've disagreed with (Not only on myself) about 50% of the time.  Most other times his reasoning behind the bans/locked threads make sense to me.

So if he's telling you that you were banned for good reason, you probably were in my book.

The best thing is when Billy gets butt hurt and clicks report because you " made him mad " about the game he loves and you get an insta warning for it. A robot must spit out the warnings because a sane human wouldnt shoot out warnings for ripping a guy about making love to his game and wanting everyone to love it too. 

My 2 cents

Originally posted by boxsnd

The mods seem to be closing threads left and right. Why don't you let the users decide what they want to discuss?

Originally posted by Betakodo
I have to add that it seems like the Guild Wars 2 moderators are biased. You get a post edited/modded if the mod happened to be a "Fanboy", but any other game and the post would be OK. Or even if the opposite side of the argument is posting in the same (Non-flaming) manner.

Think this has more to do with the traffic.. look at the amount of traffic in the GW2 forums compared to all the other games.. when you have this many people you will get way more posts overall and  more people reporting posts and so on.

Originally posted by Kyleran

 

Just for the record, I've emailed MikeB on numerous occasions, and while he may have ignored one or two, more often than not he responds.  Even better, I'd say he's overturned moderation actions that I've disagreed with (Not only on myself) about 50% of the time.  Most other times his reasoning behind the bans/locked threads make sense to me.

So if he's telling you that you were banned for good reason, you probably were in my book.

 

I can totally agree to the highlighted part. If you do not agree on the mod/ban, you can always email MikeB and he will look into it.

I only wish people know the different between "discussion" and "name calling". It seem to blur out way too often for a lot of posters.

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by SneakyRussian

Originally posted by Acidon

Originally posted by Impulse47
I've been here a long time now. Every year the mods get a slightly longer stick up their asses. Very saddening as this board in general used to be awesome.

Having been warned recently (for good reason, I think), I certainly think about what I write more than I used to.  It certainly put a damper on how much I enjoy this site, but they gotta do what they gotta do.  

I don't feel that I can truly express my opinion any longer though.

It does in fact feel like the moderators here no longer want opinions to be freely expressed anymore. I've seen friends of mine banned in the past month for things that you'd think are impossible grounds for a ban. However, they go on nevertheless.

 

Also, emailing MikeB about a ban is impossible. He ignores emails, or will give you a canned response of "You were banned for good reason, deal with it". Even writing this giving my input might land me a temp-ban or a warning for speaking the truth. It's a very sad time when MMORPG used to be a good site to discuss the truth about MMO gaming in general.

 

However, nowadays if it isn't super positive & avoiding the direct subject at hand (ie: calling a game for what you believe it is) you're labeled a troll by the staff here and sent on your way. At times I feel like they don't want MMORPG to succeed as a site anymore. I wonder why :/

Just for the record, I've emailed MikeB on numerous occasions, and while he may have ignored one or two, more often than not he responds.  Even better, I'd say he's overturned moderation actions that I've disagreed with (Not only on myself) about 50% of the time.  Most other times his reasoning behind the bans/locked threads make sense to me.

So if he's telling you that you were banned for good reason, you probably were in my book.

 

Doubtful considering his past responses & responses to people on this forum. I also feel as though the staff troll players on purpose with some of their articles, but that is another story.

Here's the link as to why the xfire threads are locked:

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/5337394#5337394

Originally posted by SneakyRussian

 

Doubtful considering his past responses & responses to people on this forum. I also feel as though the staff troll players on purpose with some of their articles, but that is another story.

Articles are opinions. Just because people do not agree with it doesnt mean they are "trolling".

I would like to see examples of what you consider wrongful ban or moderation and the responses to people on forum. Often I find people who are banned/modded way out of line in a "civil manner".

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Betakodo
I have to add that it seems like the Guild Wars 2 moderators are biased. You get a post edited/modded if the mod happened to be a "Fanboy", but any other game and the post would be OK. Or even if the opposite side of the argument is posting in the same (Non-flaming) manner.

Think this has more to do with the traffic.. look at the amount of traffic in the GW2 forums compared to all the other games.. when you have this many people you will get way more posts overall and  more people reporting posts and so on.

People on the GW2 forums were abusing the report function. Almost everythread that was not a positive thread for GW2 was reported, with very few exceptions.

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Betakodo
I have to add that it seems like the Guild Wars 2 moderators are biased. You get a post edited/modded if the mod happened to be a "Fanboy", but any other game and the post would be OK. Or even if the opposite side of the argument is posting in the same (Non-flaming) manner.

Think this has more to do with the traffic.. look at the amount of traffic in the GW2 fotums compared to all the other games.. when you have this many people you will get way more posts overall and  more people reporting posts and so on.

There's only a couple of forums where the fanboy wars take place, currently.  (The specific boards change every time a new release happens).

If someone's motive is really avoiding moderation, those forums are avoidable.  But then they can't taunt or bait or troll, either.

For what its worth- I feel the moderation is VERY inconsistant.

I have noticed that speaking against any FOTM game (especially high budget AAA types) they can be quite trigger happy towards "negativity".

-Also "Trolling" is such a vague term and so open to interpritation that it is essentially as meaningless as "freedom" and "liberty" and absent of definition it means far different things to different people (and mods)-

I feel that unless there is a blatant threat to someone or real harassment then it shoyuld be left alone- But I am a libertarian...Who loves "freedom" and "liberty" =P

Originally posted by moguy2

The best thing is when Billy gets butt hurt and clicks report because you " made him mad " about the game he loves and you get an insta warning for it. A robot must spit out the warnings because a sane human wouldnt shoot out warnings for ripping a guy about making love to his game and wanting everyone to love it too. 

 

My 2 cents

I have seen this happen all to often here. There are certain people who just cannot handle when "their game" is criticized and something snaps in their head. And instead of arguing the point with facts, the post gets reported, and the words "hater" and "troll" start flying. When the original post wasn't even a personal attack, but the response is. 

That's all well and good, I have spoken my opinions both for and aginst certain games and have been reported and been warned. In fact most of the warnings are over turned. if you present your case to the mods, they will look at it. One Warning, I petitioned and the warning stood. Looking back, I was wrong, Another warning, I knew I was wrong and didn't even bother to petition. But the rest, I did and they were over turned. So While the initial response may seem heavy handed, I think they will look at your emails with a reasonable approach.

That said: This is my beef with MMORPG.COM. In those cases where people use the report function to manipulate these boards, the [Mod Edit]s fly as do the warnings. And while a reasoable petition will reverse the warning, the post remains censored. And thus someone remains silenced. And that is wrong. No one in these boards should have the right to dictate who can post what by manipulating the rules and the mods themselves.

Originally posted by zakiyawow

Originally posted by SneakyRussian

 

Doubtful considering his past responses & responses to people on this forum. I also feel as though the staff troll players on purpose with some of their articles, but that is another story.

Articles are opinions. Just because people do not agree with it doesnt mean they are "trolling".

 

I would like to see examples of what you consider wrongful ban or moderation and the responses to people on forum. Often I find people who are banned/modded way out of line in a "civil manner".

Then why do they give temp-bans for the very same idea? They temp-ban for "Opinions" that are very much in the same light as some of their articles.

Also, all posts whatsoever relating to someone being banned are swept under the rug with a canned response to talk to MikeB about said ban. So they're deleted or locked right off the bat. I even see many of them with [mod edits] on them. :/

Originally posted by SaintPhilip

For what its worth- I feel the moderation is VERY inconsistant.

I have noticed that speaking against any FOTM game (especially high budget AAA types) they can be quite trigger happy towards "negativity".

-Also "Trolling" is such a vague term and so open to interpritation that it is essentially as meaningless as "freedom" and "liberty" and absent of definition it means far different things to different people (and mods)-

I feel that unless there is a blatant threat to someone or real harassment then it shoyuld be left alone- But I am a libertarian...Who loves "freedom" and "liberty" =P

 

i agree trolling is a very vague term as it could mean differn't things to differn't people but the forum mods did set a definition for what they consider trolling on these forums.. now it's really up to them what's considered excessive of course

Trolling

• Posting excessive negative comments or baiting others to respond in a negative manner is considered trolling on the MMORPG.com forums.
  For example: If there is one game that you did not enjoy, voicing your opinion is encouraged. Posting this opinion in every thread concerning that game to the point that it disrupts all other conversation is not tolerated.