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  fenistil

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10/06/12 10:50:23 AM#41

TES = Free roaming, open, sandboxy single rpg

TESO = Themepark sotry-driven mmorpg with instances1

 

Hmm no idea why it get flak. *rolleyes*

  Betaguy

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10/06/12 10:51:27 AM#42
Originally posted by Lienhart

Elder Scrolls have always had the following:

1. Bunch of bugs.

2. MAJOR logic flaws in skill combinations; most recently, in Skyrim, you can end up OHKOing everything by exploiting Blacksmithing, Enchanting and Alchemy.

3. Horrible combat. Check out Skyrim Nexus for combat mods, they always end up making the game better.

4. LOTS OF MODS.

Every one of these things contribute to what makes an "Elder Scrolls" game. None of these things will last in an MMO.

See why it won't work? -_-

Not to sound rude or anything but those are the most obsurd 4 points ever.  I didn't even laugh. :|

  Brenelael

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10/06/12 10:51:51 AM#43
Originally posted by rush1984
Originally posted by GwapoJosh
It's a very simply answer that I'm sure you already know.. Fans of the Elderscrolls have wanted a MMO that plays like the single player games for years but instead they are getting a WoW clone. 

a mmo isnt meant to be played like a single player game...

And this is a mmorpg,  i dont understand why anyone would want a mmorpg and pay a sub to just play a single player game

Everything that makes The Elderscrolls series great has been successfully intergrated into MMOs before. This is what fans of the series want from an Elder Scrolls MMO. Nothing else will do. People want an Elder Scrolls MMO that looks and feels like The Elder Scrolls. What we are getting is a WoW/DAOC hybrid with an Elder Scrolls paint job. It has absolutely nothing remotely resembling any previous Elder Scrolls game except Lore and Setting. Without the core Elder Scrolls gameplay mechanics... all of which have been successfully done in MMOs before... the game just wont be Elder Scrolls. This is why many people including myself are upset they decided that in order to be successful they needed to turn their backs on everything that makes The Elder Scrolls great and create yet another copy and paste Themepark MMO.

 

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  Lienhart

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10/06/12 10:54:57 AM#44
Originally posted by Betaguy
Originally posted by Lienhart

Elder Scrolls have always had the following:

1. Bunch of bugs.

2. MAJOR logic flaws in skill combinations; most recently, in Skyrim, you can end up OHKOing everything by exploiting Blacksmithing, Enchanting and Alchemy.

3. Horrible combat. Check out Skyrim Nexus for combat mods, they always end up making the game better.

4. LOTS OF MODS.

Every one of these things contribute to what makes an "Elder Scrolls" game. None of these things will last in an MMO.

See why it won't work? -_-

Not to sound rude or anything but those are the most obsurd 4 points ever.  I didn't even laugh. :|

Have you played any Elder Scrolls? These are the defining features of all of them, no matter how many patches there are.

  Arglebargle

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10/06/12 10:56:37 AM#45

They are perverting the TES lore to fit the game mechanics into their prescribed format.   It's been in development for awhile, no telling if they made basic game decisions that might have been reasonable in 2009, but are outdated now.  They are dumping a number of elements that fans of the TES series really liked.  The suspicion that it is more of a generic MMO with an Elder Scrolls skin.  Many folks would have been happy with small scale co-op.

 

Maybe it will be great.  Not on my radar though.

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  Betaguy

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10/06/12 10:57:00 AM#46
I have none of those issues and I own every elder scrolls game.

  Arglebargle

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10/06/12 11:05:15 AM#47
Originally posted by Betaguy
I have none of those issues and I own every elder scrolls game.

The reason to make the game 'Elder Scrolls' is to use the backstory elements, and bring in the fanbase.  If you are peeving a chunk of said  fanbase, you aren't leveraging your 'asset' well.

 

We'll see...

 

 

 

 

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  Harttz

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10/06/12 11:34:55 AM#48

Elder Scrolls games have always been about freedom. This MMO is not about freedom and that is the problem.

-In TES games, you are allowed the freedom to mold your class from a variety of skills. You can be a heavy armor destruction mage or light armor magic wielding warrior or a sneaky medium armor illusionaist or any other combination you can think of. In TESO, you are forced into a specific class role from the beginning with very little customization and individuality.

-In TES games, you are allowed the freedom to choose from a wide variety of races and then choose whether to join a particular faction (Imperials vs Stormcloaks) or choose how your characters story and interactions play out. In TESO, races are arbitrarily forced into particular factions and then set on a linear on-rails themepark storyline which allows very little freedom for RP or individuality.

-In TES games, you are allowed the freedom to roam the entire world and build relationships and mold the world to your liking while a short main quest plays on around you. In Skyrim, for example, the main questline took about 20 hours to complete but there were 100s of hours of additional side quests to explore and discover. In TESO, you are forced into a linear storyline and limited to one particular region and not alloowed to roam the entire map with the freedom to explore the whole world.

This lack of freedom is the fundamental flaw of the TESO game design for many players. I'm sure the game will do fairly well. It will probably do a SWTOR and get a ton of preorders and then the population will dive after a month due to the disappointing, generic nature of the game.

  worldalpha

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10/06/12 11:58:05 AM#49
I think I'll give it a shot!

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Mike
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  ShakyMo

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10/06/12 12:13:06 PM#50
Calling TESO a story driven mmo, makes about as much sense as calling gw2 a story driven mmo.

What the devs say about the game it has way more in common with daoc & gw2 than it does swtor.
  winter

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10/06/12 12:14:45 PM#51
Originally posted by rush1984

Why is there so much hate for this game?

I mean even on this forum which is idealy mmorpg fans?

I cant be the only one who thought while playing the single player games "wouldnt this be great if you could play with a friend?" So why do people hate the idea so? especially those who play mmorpgs?

I think people just hating on it because other people are and going with the crowd so to speak.. well i think for myself and im really looking forward to seeing what they coem up with.

what people forget is that they are making a different type of game its like when they made a RTS version of halo  you didnt hear people crying saying i hope they keep this its goign to be X because it doesntg have Y.

Its going to be a mmorpg so its going to have all the features that make a mmorpg ..

And ofcourse they will keep alot of the things we loved about teh single player RPG's  if i was to guess there will be alot of exploration, random dynamic events, killable NPCs Factions to join , epic boss battles and awesome character customisation etc

At the end of the day if you dont want to play it and you prefer single player version im sure they are not goign to stop making them and you dont have to play the MMORPG version

i for one cant wait to explore some dungeons with a group of friends in the beautiful world of Tamriel !!

 

 Op you really should read up on the game  before making statements like yours above.

The ESO is not a "Different type of game" sure it would be fun to adventure with a friend in Skyrim however ESO is not Skyrim, or even any of the Elderscroll games. The core Elderscroll game play mechanics have been torn out and replaced with comon everryday wow game play. In effect all the ESO is  is WoW  with elderscrolls lore and images, and no thats not what most wanted, its not what the majority are asking for (gosh i wish i could play wow in tamriel!) it is just a quick money grab. If i want to play WoW I'll play WoW, if i want to play elderscrolls I'll play skyrim. I have no desire to play a souless WoW/Elderscrolls hybrid thats had all the good things that made the elderscrolls great removed to make it more MMO friendly (WoW)

  zanebergeron

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10/06/12 12:28:27 PM#52

It really doesn't matter to me because not everyone likes X product.  I myself have not enjoyed an Elderscrolls game since Daggerfall, yes that was way back in the day.  I can not say I will like or dislike an MMO of the same name, who knows  it may be done very well or it may suck like so many other MMOs.  But why are these companies jumping aboard the MMO Train now, I think it's like movies today.  Let's remake X movie because we can't come up with an original concept.

I really am tired of seeing the term WoW Clone, it is being tossed around too much.  I myself am not a hater here, if I don't like a game I just move on to the next. At one point I enjoyed myself in WoW although it's core has changed with all the new xpansions over the years.  So I don't know why people have to come here to bash other people who enjoy  certain type of game. I have friends who enjoy FPS games and while I do not it's not my business.

Anyways back to to Elder Scrolls: A. It will do very well.  B. It will crash and burn.  or C. it will be ok keeping a portion of people happy.

there are the 3 outcomes to this game.

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  Nitth

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10/06/12 12:33:08 PM#53


Originally posted by rush1984
Why is there so much hate for this game?

I mean even on this forum which is idealy mmorpg fans?

I cant be the only one who thought while playing the single player games "wouldnt this be great if you could play with a friend?" So why do people hate the idea so? especially those who play mmorpgs?

I think people just hating on it because other people are and going with the crowd so to speak.. well i think for myself and im really looking forward to seeing what they coem up with.

what people forget is that they are making a different type of game its like when they made a RTS version of halo  you didnt hear people crying saying i hope they keep this its goign to be X because it doesntg have Y.

Its going to be a mmorpg so its going to have all the features that make a mmorpg ..

And ofcourse they will keep alot of the things we loved about teh single player RPG's  if i was to guess there will be alot of exploration, random dynamic events, killable NPCs Factions to join , epic boss battles and awesome character customisation etc

At the end of the day if you dont want to play it and you prefer single player version im sure they are not goign to stop making them and you dont have to play the MMORPG version

i for one cant wait to explore some dungeons with a group of friends in the beautiful world of Tamriel !!

 


There's no reason it cant be an elderscrolls game, + Massively multilayer persistent

Anyone that says otherwise is close minded.


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  Harttz

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10/06/12 12:37:11 PM#54
Originally posted by zanebergeron

Anyways back to to Elder Scrolls: A. It will do very well.  B. It will crash and burn.  or C. it will be ok keeping a portion of people happy.

there are the 3 outcomes to this game.

I actually think it will do all 3! It will probably get a massive number of preorders and first month sales due to the brand name (outcome A). It will then lose 50%+ of those players in the first 3 months (outcome B). And it will probably stabilize somewhat after that and have a dedicated core of fans (outcome C). Basically, the fate that has befallen every unoriginal MMO of the last 10 years.

  Lawlmonster

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10/06/12 12:41:42 PM#55

So many uninformed posters in this thread, making ridiculous connections between sociology and genre trends. News flash: people don't like this game, particularly Elder Scrolls fans, because it's nothing like the single player series. I've seen people in the posts within and others that seem to believe that we want the direct, exact experience ported over from the SRPG to an MMO format, which isn't the case. Naturally, we understand that balancing the game would be important, and the gameplay couldn't be one hundred percent, no questions asked, precisely identical. However, the game that's being created only shares the lore and the compass system in common, without anything else that can really be identifiably Elder Scrolls.

 

Sorry, we wanted Skyrim the MMO, balanced for multiplayer. We didn't want the next themepark rendition, or destroyer of IP's. Thanks.

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  Indol

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10/06/12 12:48:18 PM#56
Originally posted by rush1984

Its going to be a mmorpg so its going to have all the features that make a mmorpg ..

There are about a quadrillion ways to approach making an mmorpg, most of which don't involve "all the features that make an mmorpg .."

 

If they use their own approach, the game has a chance to set itself apart from the plethora of mmo's that've tried to emulate the mainstream concept of an mmo and have ultimately been met with mostly lukewarm or negative reactions.

 

I hope for the best with Elder Scrolls Online. I really hope Zenimax Studios Online realize that adopting features that a zillion other games already provide is not necessarily the way to make a hit game that gives players something they can't get from other games and therefore a reason to flock to their title.

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OP  10/06/12 12:56:08 PM#57

i bet half the people moaning dont even like the single player games that much anyway, i played them all but they are not the best ones ive played..not by far

when they make this mmorpg version i bet i will like it alot more

im more into mmorpg's then single player rpgs anyway , even after all these years ff7 is still top of my list for best single player game :D but i guess if they made that into a mmorpg i would be worried just like you guys

  kishe

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10/06/12 12:59:52 PM#58

The reason why I hate ESO is the fact they removed EVERYTHING that made TES greatest line of single player RPGs ever and replaced them with redudant wow-cliches.

 

static faction/race relations, no free-roaming, no housing, no open character development, no real time combat (recent MMOs have shown it CAN be done)

 

 

  jamigre

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10/06/12 1:03:07 PM#59
Originally posted by GwapoJosh
It's a very simply answer that I'm sure you already know.. Fans of the Elderscrolls have wanted a MMO that plays like the single player games for years but instead they are getting a WoW clone. 

 

 

THIS. 

 

But it's not going to be anything like a real Elder Scrolls game, in fact I have more hope for the Skyrim multiplayer mod than this wow clone. 

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  ShakyMo

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10/06/12 1:04:30 PM#60
Winter:

Rvr endgame
Open dungeons
Selection of a sub set of skills from a pool, of which some are tied to your current weapon
Soul gem / enchanting system from tes
Dodging, sprinting and active blocking in combat tied to a tes style stamina bar
No agro mechanics
No quest hubs
Political system where you can get crowned emperor
Auto targeting

Yeah all the above sound very wow clone to me 8?
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