Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by Eir_S

Originally posted by bcbully
Wonky. Strange world we live in were sensationalism out scores substance.

What world have you been living in?  I'm not saying this is true of GW2, but look at all forms of media.  Sensationalism USUALLY outscores substance.

So we should expect more of the same huh? 

Probably.  It's hard to tell what games are good anymore unless you play them for yourselves.  Every AAA game is likely to get good ratings for one reason or another... but I wouldn't discount "the game is actually really good" as being one of them.  Maybe it's unlikely, but it's not impossible.

Originally posted by Ukiha
I have the game, i have been playing it like 3 months, i like it ALO',but i think the score is too much...7 or 8 would be decent score.

It's not always about what score a game deserves.  When a site gives something like - not so random example: SWTOR - a high score and then something obviously better comes out, they don't leave themselves much wiggle room.  By 2015, I expect most sites will adopt a 1 to 15 score since they've done a bang up job of watering down 1 to 10.

Originally posted by Kuppa

Originally posted by grimal

Originally posted by Kuppa

Originally posted by grimal

Longevity 9?   How in the world did you come up with this number?

Edit:  I guess since "hundreds and hundreds of hours" equals a 9, the expectation is for an MMO to satiate our appetites for a month?  If so, what's the big deal if it's B2P or P2P since all the content is done within that first month and there is never a need to pay past the inital box price?

There is tons of longetivity in this game simply with the pvp. Best in the industry, IMO.

But if one is not interested in the PVP, then what?  How is there longevity for the PVE players?

That is definately questionable. But there is longetivity there, if you like it or not is more personal.

 

More importantly there is no longevity in most games when looking at pure PvE without expansions.  GW2 will release more content.  Without expansions WoW provides no more longevity.  You get to 80 within a few weeks as an casual player and then what run the said raid over and over? You can do that in GW2 as well run dungeons and events over and over to farm up for legendary weapons.

Originally posted by abeltensor

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For any one who was into the old school MMOs, the "Hard-core" crowd this review is an insult and a horrifying look into what is supposedly considered to be innovative in this genera. 

QFT

I would really like to see some guild/player housing implemented.  DAoC housing was pretty fun, especially the trophy aspect which could be rolled into crafting and give people reasons to hunt in every zone.

I generally agree with the article.  People cry about "map completion" like it is just running around.  All the events you can participate in is where the fun is.  The down-leveling system (which surprisingly was not mentioned) is extremely fun.  I just wish they would incorporate more benefits that are level appropriate for doing down-leveled content which is currently limited to a chance you random drop is of near-level.

Originally posted by gwei1984
Also one point i forgot to mention. Does anyone really like this f... downed-system? I think its utterly annoying and does nothing to raise the depth of pvp. Anyone tried killing a mesmer in a crowded fight knows what i mean, its just not fun^^

There was a big thread about this a while back.  I kind of agree that the downed state is not as viable for PvP... it makes killing someone really hard.  In PVE it's pretty awesome though.

Originally posted by Eir_S

Originally posted by gwei1984

Also one point i forgot to mention. Does anyone really like this f... downed-system? I think its utterly annoying and does nothing to raise the depth of pvp. Anyone tried killing a mesmer in a crowded fight knows what i mean, its just not fun^^

There was a big thread about this a while back.  I kind of agree that the downed state is not as viable for PvP... it makes killing someone really hard.  In PVE it's pretty awesome though.

 

Jup, disabling it in pvp would be a great step in the right direction.

Good review Bill, I agree with it.

But the best part of this review is reading all of the vitriol from the jilted anti-fans of GW2 ;).

Originally posted by abeltensor

 

with a broken dungeon system and no distinguishable class system, a hidden quest system and absolutely no end game this game doesnt deserve any of the praise its getting.  It basically is the game that will break the genre of the MMORPG and turn serious gamers away.  In-fact, i think MMOs died when WoW came out and every mmo after that decided to make their content all quest based.  

Back in the days of real MMOs where you invested 1000s of hours into your character and went on quests that were for unique items most of which sucked in retrospect but where fun to have because you could say i got that by competing this mammoth quest that involved talking to No NPCs.  Instead these games no supplement those unique items with achievements which don’t really matter either way.  GW2 isn’t innovative, Its ambitious but that about it.   The idea of breaking the Holy Trinity is quite a good one, but the way it was executed was horrible.  The idea of level scaling was a good one, but in the game it was horrible.  Etc etc.  There so much in this game that sounds good on paper but really turns out to be a bad decision.  

For any one who was into the old school MMOs, the "Hard-core" crowd this review is an insult and a horrifying look into what is supposedly considered to be innovative in this genera. 

 I started playing MMORPGs with UO...and I even played a MUD named Medievia before that came out.  I think I qualify as old school, yet I am not "insulted" and "horrified" by Bill's review.

Honestly...I just don't understand you guys.  I loved UO, I really hope there is a new game like UO in the future.  But that doesn't mean that I am going to go to every MMORPG that is not like UO and be "insulted" by it.  That is just silly.

It would be like if I was a hardcore civilization fan, and I go to the forums for Sins of a Solar Empire and just continuosly whine about how its an insult to all 4X games because it's not turned-based like Civ.

You basically just have to accept that themepark MMORPGs are not, and will never be like UO.  They are a completely different sub-genre.  There is no point is whining about their existence.  Many people actually enjoy BOTH themepark and sandbox MMORPGs.  Don't begrudge them because you can't.

Originally posted by SnarlingWolf

Originally posted by Kuppa

Originally posted by grimal

Longevity 9?   How in the world did you come up with this number?

Edit:  I guess since "hundreds and hundreds of hours" equals a 9, the expectation is for an MMO to satiate our appetites for a month?  If so, what's the big deal if it's B2P or P2P since all the content is done within that first month and there is never a need to pay past the inital box price?

There is tons of longetivity in this game simply with the pvp. Best in the industry, IMO.

I was going to leave this whole review and thread alone and let the super fans have their moment all cheering about how amazing this unamazing game is.

 

Best PvP in the industry? I've PvPed in pretty much every MMO that has had the option and I've been playing MMOs since The Realm. This is some of the most boring PvP I have ever encountered in my entire gaming life. This statement is so absurd I can't even fathom it.

 

To put in perspective how crazy this statement is, it made me post in this thread when:

 

The innovation score should have been a 1. They literally did NOTHING new. How can they have a 10 innovation score without innovating? It is ridiculous. Yet I did not post in this thread.

Longevity? Really? The game gets boring faster than most MMOs out there. It is one massive boring kill task or WvW boring pointless zergfest. There is little longevity to this game on a large scale. There will be a small audience that sticks with it for a long time, like almost any product, but it doesn't have mainstream longevity at all. Yet I did not post in this thread.

Such a high overall score? They game was fairly polished (with a big exception being DEs that weren't in the starter zone. I can't count how many of those I saw bug out) which is a good thing. The graphics weren't bad, not amazing, but not bad. It is easy to learn and easy to figure out where to go next. All of those things are good things. The problem is the game lacked substance. They took out the fun part of MMOs: good/deep story, interesting quests in varied interesting dungeons with a wide variety of puzzles/bosses, having lots of customization, creating socialization, quality PvP with a point. It left in the kill and gather tasks and the exploration awards (which pretty much every game does now anyway). Yet I did not post.

 

But to have the insane audacity to claim best PvP in the industry. That blew my mind so much I literally had to post. To take a queue off of a pissed off NYT writer I will simply end with: Really? Best PvP in the industry, really? Really?

Its personal opinion, that's why I wrote IMO. Besides that there is an abid pvp fanbase, of course you disagree with all of them. BTW what is your preferred mmorgp pvp? Keep in mind Im mainly talking about spvp, I know many mmo gamers HATE spvp. They prefer the gankfests, not sure if that is what you prefer though.

Originally posted by grimal

Originally posted by Kuppa

Originally posted by grimal

Originally posted by Kuppa

Originally posted by grimal

Longevity 9?   How in the world did you come up with this number?

Edit:  I guess since "hundreds and hundreds of hours" equals a 9, the expectation is for an MMO to satiate our appetites for a month?  If so, what's the big deal if it's B2P or P2P since all the content is done within that first month and there is never a need to pay past the inital box price?

There is tons of longetivity in this game simply with the pvp. Best in the industry, IMO.

But if one is not interested in the PVP, then what?  How is there longevity for the PVE players?

That is definately questionable. But there is longetivity there, if you like it or not is more personal.

Well, if you want to look at it that way, you can say every game has a 9 longevity even if it's a matter of nothing to do since there might be 1 person that actually likes logging in and doing absolutely nothing.

 

Edit: This is the much larger problem of the method in which reviewers review MMOs.  You cannot give an MMORPG a fair score until after the honeymoon phase has worn off.  Otherwise, it's all an emotional response with little thought behind it.  This keeps getting pointed out again and again yet every reviewer wants to put their review out after a few days play of a game in a genre that by its very nature is supposed to have a long-time playstyle.  Its a sad day indeed when an MMO has the same shelf-life of a console game and we go and give them a 9 for it.

 

There is a big difference from logging in and doing nothing, because there is nothing to do and doing nothing because you don't want/like to do it.

Originally posted by RavingRabbid
While I think its a good game (IMO) it definently does not deserve a 9.3 rating, The gameplay is shallow and repetitive. I rarely find myself signing in and playing anymore and that to me is a big factor. IMO it doesnt deserve anything beyond a 6.95.

 Hahah GW2, a D+ game.  I love it :).

I know it's just your opinion, but I find it quite amusing.

Originally posted by Kuppa

Originally posted by grimal

Originally posted by Kuppa

Originally posted by grimal

Originally posted by Kuppa

Originally posted by grimal

Longevity 9?   How in the world did you come up with this number?

Edit:  I guess since "hundreds and hundreds of hours" equals a 9, the expectation is for an MMO to satiate our appetites for a month?  If so, what's the big deal if it's B2P or P2P since all the content is done within that first month and there is never a need to pay past the inital box price?

There is tons of longetivity in this game simply with the pvp. Best in the industry, IMO.

But if one is not interested in the PVP, then what?  How is there longevity for the PVE players?

That is definately questionable. But there is longetivity there, if you like it or not is more personal.

Well, if you want to look at it that way, you can say every game has a 9 longevity even if it's a matter of nothing to do since there might be 1 person that actually likes logging in and doing absolutely nothing.

 

Edit: This is the much larger problem of the method in which reviewers review MMOs.  You cannot give an MMORPG a fair score until after the honeymoon phase has worn off.  Otherwise, it's all an emotional response with little thought behind it.  This keeps getting pointed out again and again yet every reviewer wants to put their review out after a few days play of a game in a genre that by its very nature is supposed to have a long-time playstyle.  Its a sad day indeed when an MMO has the same shelf-life of a console game and we go and give them a 9 for it.

 

There is a big difference from logging in and doing nothing, because there is nothing to do and doing nothing because you don't want/like to do it.

Ok, but one can argue every MMO has endgame.  So why don't they all score a 9?  What makes this endgame any different?

I think the game does some good things and bad..    Exploration is very good for a theme park game, however if you do not like to explore you can fast travel.          Graphics are very good.         voice overs and production are good not great.      Combat is good not great.        Story line and quests are confusing , I listen to the stories but they are either uninteresting or scattered and not cohesive--I like the stories and quests in SWTOR and TSW quite a bit better.        Crafting once you figure it out (the manual is crap so good luck) is ok, again not as good as Vanguard, Eve, Fallen Earth , EQ2 and others.            PvP is good, again confusing (who are you fighting for, why , what are the rewards? etc),  I personally liked the PvP in GW1 better.

     So If you like your themeparks to have exploration in them, with good graphics and decent yet confusing PvP this game is for you