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  EvilGeek

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10/03/12 5:13:50 PM#41


Originally posted by pierth
I had it happen to me in Straits of Devastation earlier this week when I tagged along with a DE chain zerg of players that repeated the same four or five events. Once it kicked in I logged out to character select, logged back in immediately, and everything was back to normal.


I'm thinking the complaints are much ado about nothing.



Yesterdays patch stopped the ability to reset the DR by logging out. IT now seems to be account based and will keep you penalised for several hours across all your characters according to player reports.


  pierth

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10/03/12 5:19:33 PM#42


Originally posted by EvilGeek

Originally posted by pierth
I had it happen to me in Straits of Devastation earlier this week when I tagged along with a DE chain zerg of players that repeated the same four or five events. Once it kicked in I logged out to character select, logged back in immediately, and everything was back to normal.


I'm thinking the complaints are much ado about nothing.



Yesterdays patch stopped the ability to reset the DR by logging out. It now seems to be account based and will keep you penalized for several hours across all your characters according to player reports.

I see, thanks for the correction. I can't say I agree with Anet on this policy but thankfully I have alts to play in different level ranges.

  kjempff

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10/03/12 5:30:02 PM#43
Haha fun fun, rewarding casual play hmm where did I see that before.. hmm oh yes WoW (rested xp bonus, dailies, lockouts).
  Stx11

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10/03/12 6:32:29 PM#44

Official Response from ANet:


Jon Peters We thought we should put in our 2 cents as well.
Guild Wars 2 is a game about freedom. We want you to be able to explore the world and engage in a huge variety of activities, focusing on whatever best suits your tastes.
Some players have run into “diminishing returns” thresholds we put into the game to provide a safety net against unanticipated economy-breaking issues. We do have these thresholds in place, but it’s not our intention that normal players should ever run into them. We’ve recently had bugs and imbalances that have caused normal players to hit thresholds, and we’ll fix those.

 

These systems are put in place to protect the economy from botters and exploiters. We will close exploits as quickly as we can. These thresholds help create a safety net to keep the economy safe when we aren’t there to deal with the offender. It’s important to have a safety net in place. It would be bad for everyone if, for example, a group of players learned how to speed-clear a dungeon in 5 minutes, with full rewards each time, and then repeated that continuously. When one activity emerges that’s order of magnitudes more profitable than anything else in the game, it forces everyone to either engage in that activity or get priced out of the economy.
While we need a safety net to stop unanticipated economy-breaking exploits and botting, we have no desire to stop farming. Farmers are a part every online economy and when they are doing normal game activity they do not cause any harm. If a player finds a normal game activity fun and would like to keep doing it, that’s fine with us.

Initially we have to rely on smaller data sets, instinct and some guesswork to find the correct cutoff. What this means is that some players are going to bump into the edges of these systems for a while as we get them sorted out. Please bear with us while we gather more data and lower the safety net until it’s only providing critical economy protection. Looking at the numbers this morning, we believe some of the threshold systems are just too harsh empirically and we’ll be adjusting those systems within the next few weeks to ensure that fewer legitimate players are being impacted.
I hope this helps to explain why a game like this needs systems such as this to protect its economy. I also hope it gives some insight into our philosophy about botters (BAD) and exploiters (BAD) vs. farmers (GOOD). Thanks for your support and we will see you in game.

Jon


 

So yes some legitimate players are hitting the DR caps but also yes ANet is aware of the issue and taking action.

  MindTrigger

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10/03/12 6:42:50 PM#45
Originally posted by BadSpock

Sounds like patch today fixed some bugs with DR triggering too early/soon.

But this is life - and it is also war.

War against bots, spammers, hackers, cheaters...

The innocent always suffer in war.

If YOU can't farm the same dungeon or DE chain over and over legitimately, but at the same time if an automated BOT or gold farmer working with compromised accounts is stopped because of it - I'm all for it.

That whole "those who give up freedom for security deserve neither" or whatever quote is unrealistic, niave bullshit.

If you want to apply that statement to video games, fine.  But please don't pretend that quote is ignorant in it's true context.  Giving up rights is a slippery slope, and it's up to the government to protect the people without removing our rights.  Once you give them up, getting them back is next to impossible.

What you also end up with is what we have today.  Security Theater.  That's security that doesn't actually work, but still hinders you, the normal citizen, in some way.  Largely, that's all we have in this country.  That and our oceans.

A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.

  gieger808

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10/03/12 6:55:47 PM#46
The thing is, no counter measure will stop botting. They will find a way. In the end, it only hurts players.
  User Deleted
10/03/12 7:06:59 PM#47
Originally posted by pierth

 


Originally posted by EvilGeek

Originally posted by pierth
I had it happen to me in Straits of Devastation earlier this week when I tagged along with a DE chain zerg of players that repeated the same four or five events. Once it kicked in I logged out to character select, logged back in immediately, and everything was back to normal.

 


I'm thinking the complaints are much ado about nothing.



Yesterdays patch stopped the ability to reset the DR by logging out. It now seems to be account based and will keep you penalized for several hours across all your characters according to player reports.

 

I see, thanks for the correction. I can't say I agree with Anet on this policy but thankfully I have alts to play in different level ranges.

I believe it's account-based so your alts won't do you any good.

  Falstaff

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10/03/12 7:11:09 PM#48
how do you know you have been hit with DR?
  camia

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10/03/12 7:11:28 PM#49
Originally posted by grimgryphon
Originally posted by pierth

 


Originally posted by EvilGeek

Originally posted by pierth
I had it happen to me in Straits of Devastation earlier this week when I tagged along with a DE chain zerg of players that repeated the same four or five events. Once it kicked in I logged out to character select, logged back in immediately, and everything was back to normal.

 


I'm thinking the complaints are much ado about nothing.



Yesterdays patch stopped the ability to reset the DR by logging out. It now seems to be account based and will keep you penalized for several hours across all your characters according to player reports.

 

I see, thanks for the correction. I can't say I agree with Anet on this policy but thankfully I have alts to play in different level ranges.

I believe it's account-based so your alts won't do you any good.

You misunderstand his contention. The DR is based on specific events, so if you continued to repeat the same dynamic event simply on the same character, you would be affected. However, having characters working on different zones (seeing as they're in different level ranges) this wouldn't be an issue.

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  Xzen

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10/03/12 7:16:52 PM#50
A bit dissapointed to see they tried to just make it more harsh rather than find a solution that actually works. Reminds me of something.
  Salenger

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10/03/12 7:33:32 PM#51

Overall it had to be done.

With GW though its the kind of game i kind of enjoy playing, its a nice world and has good content..to an extent.  I just do not find myself caring what level, type of gear, area of map or any other content in GW2...making me feel interested.  For me its enjoyable just to log in (no sub) kill a few things, do an event or two and log off.  

Its a great themepark, best so far imo and the no sub cost makes it work for me, but by no means will i treat GW2 as my MMO, i would much rather be putting effort into something that in some way matters towards the game world.

Waiting on Darkfall UW, Repopulation, OoM.

DR isnt really a big deal.

  camia

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10/03/12 7:40:54 PM#52
Originally posted by salenger

Overall it had to be done.

With GW though its the kind of game i kind of enjoy playing, its a nice world and has good content..to an extent.  I just do not find myself caring what level, type of gear, area of map or any other content in GW2...making me feel interested.  For me its enjoyable just to log in (no sub) kill a few things, do an event or two and log off.  

Its a great themepark, best so far imo and the no sub cost makes it work for me, but by no means will i treat GW2 as my MMO, i would much rather be putting effort into something that in some way matters towards the game world.

Waiting on Darkfall UW, Repopulation, OoM.

DR isnt really a big deal.

If you didn't have anything to say on DR, why did you feel the need to complain about GW2? This added nothing to the thread.

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  Salenger

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10/03/12 7:45:16 PM#53
Originally posted by camia
Originally posted by salenger

Overall it had to be done.

With GW though its the kind of game i kind of enjoy playing, its a nice world and has good content..to an extent.  I just do not find myself caring what level, type of gear, area of map or any other content in GW2...making me feel interested.  For me its enjoyable just to log in (no sub) kill a few things, do an event or two and log off.  

Its a great themepark, best so far imo and the no sub cost makes it work for me, but by no means will i treat GW2 as my MMO, i would much rather be putting effort into something that in some way matters towards the game world.

Waiting on Darkfall UW, Repopulation, OoM.

DR isnt really a big deal.

If you didn't have anything to say on DR, why did you feel the need to complain about GW2? This added nothing to the thread.

Other than a point of view that if DR matters at all for some players. 

And as in the post it was obvious i was giving it a 50/50, just not an MMO I care about progress in.

  camia

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10/03/12 7:54:56 PM#54
Originally posted by salenger
Originally posted by camia
Originally posted by salenger

Overall it had to be done.

With GW though its the kind of game i kind of enjoy playing, its a nice world and has good content..to an extent.  I just do not find myself caring what level, type of gear, area of map or any other content in GW2...making me feel interested.  For me its enjoyable just to log in (no sub) kill a few things, do an event or two and log off.  

Its a great themepark, best so far imo and the no sub cost makes it work for me, but by no means will i treat GW2 as my MMO, i would much rather be putting effort into something that in some way matters towards the game world.

Waiting on Darkfall UW, Repopulation, OoM.

DR isnt really a big deal.

If you didn't have anything to say on DR, why did you feel the need to complain about GW2? This added nothing to the thread.

Other than a point of view of if DR matters at all for some players. 

And as in the post it was obvious i was giving it a 50/50, just not an MMO I care about progress in.

Two lines out of ten is not "talking about DR." You used this as a plug to badmouth GW2 as a whole.

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  FrodoFragins

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10/03/12 8:10:06 PM#55
Originally posted by Abrexus
Originally posted by FrodoFragins
What is the DR?

You get hit with a diminishing returns on exprience/karma/silver when completing events.  There is a lot of speculation as to what triggers this but there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason and the developers have yet to make any statement.

I can say from personal expereince it hit me 3 times total and I am far from a power gamer.  My Necromancer is only level 20 as I only have dedicated time to play, and yet I still managed to get hit with this.  I think a developer response on the GW2 forums would at least help people understand what causes the issue and then we could give more direct feedback on what (if anything) may need to be changed.  At this time though it does seem to be a bit harsh as it affects many people with varied playstyles.

TY for info.

 

I assume this kills people farming those two DE's in the last zone?  The ones where you run through a tunnel to stop the attacks.  That seemed to be a good way to farm items drops and karma.  I only did it once, right before taking a break from teh game.

 

I guess it's unfeasible for developers to stop bots, so they try to punish anyone doing bot like behavior.  Even if it's legit.

  Cyrael

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10/03/12 8:11:26 PM#56
I'm not sure I would even notice if I hit DR. When I'm playing I'm generally not paying attention to my level or the xp I'm receiving.
  Loktofeit

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10/03/12 8:19:17 PM#57
Originally posted by Abrexus
Originally posted by FrodoFragins
What is the DR?

You get hit with a diminishing returns on exprience/karma/silver when completing events.  There is a lot of speculation as to what triggers this but there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason and the developers have yet to make any statement.

I can say from personal expereince it hit me 3 times total and I am far from a power gamer.  My Necromancer is only level 20 as I only have dedicated time to play, and yet I still managed to get hit with this.  I think a developer response on the GW2 forums would at least help people understand what causes the issue and then we could give more direct feedback on what (if anything) may need to be changed.  At this time though it does seem to be a bit harsh as it affects many people with varied playstyles.

Is there a notification or icon that indicates you have DR, or are you just assuming each of those three times were DR?

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  Loktofeit

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10/03/12 8:21:44 PM#58
Originally posted by Cyrael
I'm not sure I would even notice if I hit DR. When I'm playing I'm generally not paying attention to my level or the xp I'm receiving.

Same here. The first time I noticed XP was when I hit 80 last night, but that's because I hit 80 THREE TIMES last night. I guess the XP counter is just for show or something once you hit 80.

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  Ridelynn

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10/03/12 8:29:33 PM#59

I see a lot of posts about DR, and in the game I see a few people talk about it.

Before the Oct 1 post, I know that the "in-game" advice was just to log out and right back in, and it supposedly cleared. I don't know first hand if that worked then, or if it still works now. It kept the massive "zerg" karma farmers in Orr happy though, so I assume it did.

I can't think of an instance were I have ever been hit with the DR code - even doing several events in the same zone for a couple of hours, I would always get ~370 karma each event. I do a good bit of wandering about the map though (I get bored easily). I've not run a dungeon successively yet - maybe that's more strict.

Honestly - it seems like a lot of mountain out of a molehill. I don't see a lot of people in game talking about it, aside from the quick fix of just log out and back in. Maybe it is bugged and not affecting everyone the same or something though - I can't discount that possibility.

  austriacus

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10/03/12 8:46:06 PM#60
Originally posted by Ridelynn

I see a lot of posts about DR, and in the game I see a few people talk about it.

Before the Oct 1 post, I know that the "in-game" advice was just to log out and right back in, and it supposedly cleared. I don't know first hand if that worked then, or if it still works now. It kept the massive "zerg" karma farmers in Orr happy though, so I assume it did.

I can't think of an instance were I have ever been hit with the DR code - even doing several events in the same zone for a couple of hours, I would always get ~370 karma each event. I do a good bit of wandering about the map though (I get bored easily). I've not run a dungeon successively yet - maybe that's more strict.

Honestly - it seems like a lot of mountain out of a molehill. I don't see a lot of people in game talking about it, aside from the quick fix of just log out and back in. Maybe it is bugged and not affecting everyone the same or something though - I can't discount that possibility.

This.

I seriously havent hit the DR either. Last night in straits of devastation i did 2 giants, 1 chopper, 1 tank and two complete chains that lead to the priest of balthazar, all non stop and didnt hit anything. All that was like  2 hours or so of play. I was getting full rewards the whole time.

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