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  botrytis

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10/03/12 1:41:39 PM#21

I have had some amazing green drops in Lowbie areas with my same-level character (lvl 23 Guardian).

 

As others have said, there was anti-farming code in GW1 also. They put it in later in the game and it did prevent people from overfarming. The trick is to watch your time and then switch characters and don't play for one day. If you continually farm on area and complain that A.Net is raining on your parade, well find another spot and move on. One needs to adapt - the bots surely will.

 

 

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  aesperus

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10/03/12 1:43:21 PM#22
Originally posted by Draftbeer
Originally posted by TeknoBug

What are you referring to? Anti-farming? The anti-farming has been in there since launch, and GW1 had it as well, people need to figure out that they can't sit in the same spot for a long time and expect to get good loot.


Personally I've been getting some amazing loot lately, some rare weapons and a couple armor pieces.

I am a farmer, I did include map rotation, mob variety, even DEs.

Seems like the DR code just following me everywhere I go - my reward

is for dedication is decreased drop quality and quantity.

 

Even causal players can hit the DR cap after 30 minutes easily.

This is overkill and does not stop the bots in any way btw.

 

Sure, you are perfectly fine as long as you only play 29 minutes per day. /sarcasm

Again, it only affects people farming in one area. It's also not meant to flat out 'stop botters', it's one tool out of many that they are using against botters. It's meant to do a couple things 1) discourage people from farming the same event & mobs all day (which affects you) and 2) limit the amount of items / cash influx botters can obtain via similar methods. And, from what I've seen, botters are not affecting the market much, which is actually a win imho.

The only way to completely stop botting is to not have a market for them to bot. Even if you ban their accounts, they will keep buying new ones as long as people are stupid enough to spend RL money for gold in this game.

If there's anything that Anet should be doing (that we haven't seen much of so far), it's banning people who are purchasing gold. However, that can be a difficult thing to prove, depending on how the transactions are being handled. Anet's not the first (or only) company to struggle with this problem, and they won't be the last.

  Xzen

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10/03/12 1:45:18 PM#23
Originally posted by Phry
DR, so after you get hit with DR after about an hour of gameplay, how long would you have to log off for before you could return and not suffer from it? to be honest i don't really get the DR thing, does it really affect gameplay that much?

No idea how long it takes to go away. I just log in on a second account and just go on farming.

  Carnafex

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10/03/12 1:48:06 PM#24

The problem is that unless Anet has a full disclosure on the rules that come into play to invoke the DR/anti-bot code people will assume a run of crappy drops is being influenced by the code; when it may well be just bad luck.  Full disclosure is obviously counter-productive for influencing bots, so their best bet is to eliminate the code altogether.   Otherwise the continual whining will just get worse. 

  aesperus

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10/03/12 1:53:13 PM#25
Originally posted by Carnafex

The problem is that unless Anet has a full disclosure on the rules that come into play to invoke the DR/anti-bot code people will assume a run of crappy drops is being influenced by the code; when it may well be just bad luck.  Full disclosure is obviously counter-productive for influencing bots, so their best bet is to eliminate the code altogether.   Otherwise the continual whining will just get worse. 

If it's not this, it'll be something else.

I dunno if you've seen but the latest on the whinning train have been people complaining that the ingame map shows you more than what's currently available.

People will literally whine about anything, regardless of how trivial or irrelevant.

  Abrexus

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10/03/12 2:25:32 PM#26
Originally posted by saurus123

it only punish players that sit in spot killing same monster over and over

and players doing same DE over and over

 

played 5hours today and didnt get any kind of DR

 

I can assure you that is not the case (at least in my experience).

My level 20 Necro was finishing up the map in Metrica province and was hit with the DR stick in less than an hour of gameplay.

I am a 46 yo husband and father who is lucky enough to have a wife and kids that give me a few hours uninterrupted once or twice a week to enjoy gaming. It is extremely frustrating to sit down with my office door closed and my cup of joe in hand expecting to spend some time leveling my character only to be hit with this insane system.

I do not feel it is acceptable to punish people who are actively playing the game regardless of how they choose to enjoy it. When I am able to sit down and enjoy a few hours of game time it is unacceptable to me to be punished so that I must change activities or modify my playstyle to accommodate some DR system.

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  FrodoFragins

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10/03/12 2:42:38 PM#27
What is the DR?
  nolic1

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10/03/12 2:44:06 PM#28
I play around 3 to 4 hrs a day not every day but most days and sense the put in the DR I have only been hit by it once and that was on a new toon when I was unlocking Weapon skills I spent almost 3 hrs in the starting area after the story and you enter the real world. I was asked several times by players if I was botting and replyed nope just onlocking my weapon skills so I would not have to do it in higher lvl zones. Sense then I have not seen this DR at all but I am always moving around the maps and doing all sorts of things so. I dont spend any more time in an area then it takes to complete a DE or Renown heart.


To me I enjoy gaming I dont play to be uber I play to have fun. If a game is not fun to me guess what I move on and play something else till I find one that is. When I find that great game and not sure if in my life time there will be one I hope it has everything I want in an mmo.

  Abrexus

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10/03/12 2:54:18 PM#29
Originally posted by FrodoFragins
What is the DR?

You get hit with a diminishing returns on exprience/karma/silver when completing events.  There is a lot of speculation as to what triggers this but there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason and the developers have yet to make any statement.

I can say from personal expereince it hit me 3 times total and I am far from a power gamer.  My Necromancer is only level 20 as I only have dedicated time to play, and yet I still managed to get hit with this.  I think a developer response on the GW2 forums would at least help people understand what causes the issue and then we could give more direct feedback on what (if anything) may need to be changed.  At this time though it does seem to be a bit harsh as it affects many people with varied playstyles.

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  Rizaun

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10/03/12 3:32:46 PM#30

I played over 350 hrs and hardly ever hit the DR, however, I stopped playing soon before they patched and worsened the DR. I have no reason to believe that the people in the forums is making stuff up. The DR is hitting some players pretty bad, some of them while doing an event chain just before they finish it. Fanboys are the ones calling them liars because they can't see that the game is very flawed, it was much better at launch.

I didn't think I'd ever have to request a refund.

  Jonoku

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10/03/12 3:37:04 PM#31
DR stands for????

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  Rizaun

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10/03/12 3:43:53 PM#32
Originally posted by Jonoku
DR stands for????

Diminishing Returns.

  EvilGeek

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10/03/12 3:55:44 PM#33

There have been loads of threads about DR going on for days without being locked down, they've just started locking them and referring people to a centralised thread, a much better way of keeping the info together for them to investigate and respond to.

The karma rewards DR is fair enough, loads of people got in to the habit of making minimum contributions to an event and moving on to the next without completing any, they still got the reward even though they didn't see it through, if you play like that now, yes you will hit DR and that makes sense. DE's weren't designed to be farmed by people trying to exploit them, they were meant to be completed. If you complete chains you'll be fine.

The issue I have, and to be fair I'm finding it hard to think of a good way around it, is that you can no longer farm the same spot for certain drops. For crafting I didn't mind killing mosquitoes for two to three hours to craft my next condition damage set, now I can't do that, makes crafting and self sufficiency a real pain, which is a shame, it's no longer possible to craft armour throughout your leveling with the stats you want, it took effort before but was doable. To do that now you'd have to spend coin on waypoints which are already too big a money sink in normal game play. It also means normal play through of an area of the same mob will see it kick in. It's a much too harsh anti-farming code for the regular player.


  Jeleena

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10/03/12 4:11:58 PM#34
Originally posted by saurus123

it only punish players that sit in spot killing same monster over and over

and players doing same DE over and over

 

played 5hours today and didnt get any kind of DR

Which is not true. If you do the long DE chains in Orr, so not repeating them, just following the chains, then the DR kicks in. Which is ridiculous IMHO......

  Castillle

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10/03/12 4:14:02 PM#35
I typically go for 30 minute bursts of farming when its for crafting.  Usually nets me 40-50 of that specialized material such as blood or venom sacs n stuff like that.  As for leather n cloth, I typically get enough of those from just roaming around and doing DEs.  If I feel like theyre dropping less and less, I just farm something else that would get an equal amount of cash n trade it for what I need. o.o

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  Rokurgepta

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10/03/12 4:27:50 PM#36
Originally posted by Draftbeer
Originally posted by TeknoBug

What are you referring to? Anti-farming? The anti-farming has been in there since launch, and GW1 had it as well, people need to figure out that they can't sit in the same spot for a long time and expect to get good loot.


Personally I've been getting some amazing loot lately, some rare weapons and a couple armor pieces.

I am a farmer, I did include map rotation, mob variety, even DEs.

Seems like the DR code just following me everywhere I go - my reward

is for dedication is decreased drop quality and quantity.

 

Even causal players can hit the DR cap after 30 minutes easily.

 

This is overkill and does not stop the bots in any way btw.

 

Sure, you are perfectly fine as long as you only play 29 minutes per day. /sarcasm

 There has to be a bug in this system. I have yet to get DR even though on Saturday I spent 2 hours killing the same Mobs in a small area. It was 16 Charr that I killed over and over and never gor DR. Yet other people like yourself are getting DR in 30 minutes. The system is screwy.

  leon09

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10/03/12 4:40:00 PM#37
Originally posted by saurus123

it only punish players that sit in spot killing same monster over and over

and players doing same DE over and over

 

played 5hours today and didnt get any kind of DR

 

Its people with this mentality that are adding to the problem. 

Personally i haven't been hit by DR apart from a few dungeons (luckily if i did 1 or 2 a day), but from reading the forums its made me not want to play my lvl 80 very much let alone try to gain any karma or try to work towards getting a legendary (thrown that thought out the window). Now im just lvling a few alts and try out other classes.

People need to realise before your not effect by the problem, it doesn't mean there isn't one. 

Here is a screenshots ive seen on the forums of an event i know for a fact you cannot farm, because it doesn't run often enough to be farmable. So people need to stop saying 'move to another area', because that has nothing to do with it from what im seeing and reading.

https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/9574/gw017.jpg

(Because a group of lvl 80 are going to be farming a lvl 15 zone right, never mind the fact this is a zone boss event that doesn't run every 15mins)

 

  Rokurgepta

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10/03/12 4:56:30 PM#38
Originally posted by 123443211234
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 No it is not. Your entire post is untrue.

  VikingGamer

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10/03/12 5:01:38 PM#39

It doesn't even really matter if the DR kicks in after 30 minutes in a place or if it is because you are killing one type of mob (easy to do in Orr) or because you like to run one particular path of an explorable. There is no excuse for them trying to dictate the way I play my game. If I want to grind mobs then let me grind mobs if I want to grind tokens then let me grind tokens if I want to explore if I want to PvP if I want to do what every then that should be cool. Killing 1000 risen shouldn't be a wrong way to play. killing 1000 risen using a botting program is the problem . Punish the botters, not the boring people.

And if you are going to require hundreds or thousands of a rare item to make a legendary you really need to expect that people will farm. To expect differently is simply stupid.

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  pierth

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10/03/12 5:03:22 PM#40

I had it happen to me in Straits of Devastation earlier this week when I tagged along with a DE chain zerg of players that repeated the same four or five events. Once it kicked in I logged out to character select, logged back in immediately, and everything was back to normal.


I'm thinking the complaints are much ado about nothing.

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