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10/03/12 11:41:42 AM#21
Originally posted by Bladestrom Which is why they jumped into the raid immediately, right? Because they're so sick of it :P. 0___x "I'm afraid I can't do that, Dave". |
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10/03/12 11:41:52 AM#22
Originally posted by GolbezTheLion I fail to understand what there is to disagree with in his post. Everything he stated is true??????????? |
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10/03/12 11:47:28 AM#23
Originally posted by stevebmbsqd You seriously read that and don't find an inherent contradiction from the phrase in red? |
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10/03/12 11:47:35 AM#24
Originally posted by GolbezTheLion Haha don't waste your breat- I mean keystrokes buddy. If I've learned anything on these forums, is that people will attack you like a pack of wolves even if your criticism is valid and constructive. Heck you might even get reported for trolling. But I hear you. Raid finder while fun, was pretty damn sad to see what raids have been reduced to. I'd still love to try pandaria though. For even a fraction of that feeling I got when I first played WoW. |
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10/03/12 11:47:44 AM#25
It's hard to argue, but dear god why put yourself through it again, literally doing the same thing you have been doing for 8 years - the intellect usually demand fresh stimulus- what is suppressing it?? Break out, be human, live again lol ;)
rpg/mmorg history: Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW (9500 hrs on main mage)> oblivion > LOTR (480 Hunter) > Rift (230 hours mage) > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(350 elementalist) Now playing GW2/Diablo 3/Rift Waiting Archeage. |
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10/03/12 12:27:28 PM#26
Originally posted by GolbezTheLion More like first couple days tops.
Its a shame a company has to throttle content like this because they cant produce enough. Not only do you have to put up with gear threadmills now they implement content throttling? WTF! |
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10/03/12 1:15:05 PM#27
Cool maybe I will stick it out after all, I haven't made lvl 86 yet, pretty close though
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10/03/12 1:27:09 PM#28
Originally posted by doodphaceOriginally posted by GolbezTheLion only 1% of the player base got any progression in naxxramas during vanilla. Also in bc it took weeks till the first raid boss was downed, and months (6) until keal thas was downed in TK, he went down after blizzard pushed players to do him by releasing the black temple before anyone in the world downed him. Then you have illidan as another hard fight, only for the expansion to be finished off with kil jaiden, who may very well have the hardest raid ever released. Then wrath was nerfed a lot, but still presented some challange. Then cata came and went as a complete joke. |
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10/03/12 2:48:04 PM#29
In vanilla, people were actually subbing to the game regularly, going through the level up, doing other stuff besides raiding. Now that the population is declining and new players are rare, all that's left are (self-censor) who want to raid, so it's no surprise that a lot more of the current population clears dungeons. It has nothing to do with challenge really.
Maybe the game is 'easier' now, who knows, and more importantly, who cares? There's a reason why so few cleared these things when WoW was actually growing. Want to talk about being carried? When 90% of sub revenue after overhead and service costs goes to content that less than 10% experience, THAT'S having other people carry you. |
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10/03/12 2:48:47 PM#30
Originally posted by doodphace It's too bad they put those raids up on the PTR for so long. I understand why they do it, but it trivializes the content when it's released. |
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10/03/12 2:49:27 PM#31
Originally posted by Muppetier If your leveling a character you can should be there a lot sooner than three months even if you only play a couple hours a day . These days just do the raids via a dungeon finder you ll be max level in no time at all . Its just a matter of then getting the gear you need thats pretty easy these days too . Although to be honest the only really fun way of leveling now is doing pvp bgs . Its slower but it offers some challenge . |
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10/04/12 12:53:43 AM#32
Originally posted by aesperus The quote "content was dumbed down" can mean two things: 1.) Difficulty was decreased across the board. All accessible content is now made easier. 2.) An easier version of the same content (i.e. dungeon) was made, but the harder version is still available. I think the part in red means (1)...a sweeping generalisation about the game's content. But it's still being argued that even the hardcore versions of new raids are still Vanilla easy mode..there's no 40-man anymore afterall. |
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10/04/12 1:29:17 AM#33
If you dont practice raids on PTR or follow encounter guides or videos then WoW raids are just as difficult. That fact aside the average guild will still take months to complete this raid.
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Yaevindusk
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10/04/12 1:45:51 AM#34
Originally posted by GolbezTheLion
It's almost like hitting your head against the wall in Ahn'Qiraj, though with far less wipes and much more people trying to exploit the system to actually beat it. Yet you have the audacity to dictate what is or isn't to people who still play the game simply because you found it starting to become too easy in the past? The raids today are well practiced, especially the first ones in an expansion due to months and months of exposure in testing the mechanics. These people oft submitted ideas to practically create the mechanics before running them on live servers with the game's release. There was no such advantage during Vanilla, as the game was relatively new and most people didn't even know you could raid much less how to beat a normal instance with 10 players just to get the Baron to drop his pants. The Crystal's Call Gameplay Trailer: http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/blog/post/383 Tour of Eorzea Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JQ87KtH1G8 Six hours of FFXIV 1.0 Cutscenes: http://www.twitch.tv/thaze_tv/b/338928300 |
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Purutzil
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10/04/12 1:55:06 AM#35
Originally posted by BrooksTech Becuase they don't TRY to. If people tried, I'd bet a good portion would, particularly with gear behind them. Rift for example with hammerknell had actual competition with top guilds and it took some time before they took it down. WoW use to be the same way but now raids are just a huge joke. You don't seem to know WHY raids can be fun. Its not randomly going together with 20 people and downing a joke dungeon, its about being able to work your way through and ultimately complete a raid fully. Its such a satisfying feeling that dumbed down wow raids just lack completely now. |
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10/04/12 4:47:46 AM#36
Originally posted by Purutzil
Hell no. WOW pve just got fun for the casual gamer....no more a "join our guild but you HAVE to be there 6d/week from 6pm-midnight...miss 2 raids and you will be kicked.....whipe---> emoooooooraaaaaaaaaaaaage aaarrrrhhhh!!!!!!" experience. "going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win" |
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10/04/12 5:03:23 AM#37
Originally posted by Muke As a casual gamer with lots of free time i find both of the examples equally bad. Harsh schedules made me stay away from raiding altogether while these new easymode, "everyone plays" dungeons are boring and uninterested. |
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10/04/12 6:33:41 AM#38
Too guilds in the world? Ha!
In WoW servers maybe but world?? Shit my old guild celestial champions raided eq like crazy and that was with 400 man raids and we were first on afew things on our server , we also raided daoc , eq2 , horizons, swg, and afew others including wow and wow was by far the easiest heroics you call them, we called them easy mode, it was a joke in vanilla and still is, so I would love to see these " worlds best " guilds lol do that in true hardcore mmorpgs enough said |
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10/04/12 6:38:56 AM#39
Originally posted by Muke Making a raid accessable doesn't mean that it needs to be insultingly easy to the playerbase. Yeah, you get some folks who just want to waltz in, get their purples because they feel entitled just because they pay a sub fee. Yet some people genuinely want to have a challenge no matter if they raid 1 days a week or 6. |
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10/05/12 9:09:49 AM#40
I'm a casual raider. Being one and knowing many like myself, a lot of you heroic raiders have shown yourselves to be ignorant of our game behaviors. Yes normal can be challenging to us (depends on the encounter). Now hold on before any of you start slinging insults. I'm one of the few casuals in my raiding community that does research because I'm well aware that I will be willfully carrying most of my casual friends who come unprepared, and let's face it, less skilled. So some of our hurdles are tackling content even with that mage that still only manages 9k. Many of us still manage to see all the normal raiding content outside of LFR even though we only raid 9 hours a week with hardstops. Considerably less than hardcore raiders.
I'm looking forward to the new raid. Our guild got to dip our toes in heroic Cataclysm which for us was satisfying as we never have done so since tbc and on. We didn't even raid vanilla and I agree with adam_nox's assessment as to why raids only seem less challenging. I'll be in MoP raiding in a month or so and I won't feel any less accomplished for it no matter how many people have been there before me. And no roo67, I am not taking any recommendations on 'How2LvLFast'. I'm rather enjoying my pace while questing (and actually reading the quests) while discovering the new lore. I'm just not in such a hurry. So I will see you all at the finish line when I finally come strolling across it. And in case it was not obvious: I completely disagree with GolbezTheLion.
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