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  Loktofeit

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10/03/12 12:36:25 AM#21
Originally posted by AmbrosiaAmor

They seem to be a pretty "aggressive" company in terms of when to shut down a game. It seems that it isn't worth the time and effort (for the top 2% of the company) to keep a game running if it is barely running above the breaking even point.

 

Exactly, for example there's Dungeon Runne... oh wait, they kept that running far longer than any other company would have. Hmmm... so let's go with Exteel becaus.. oh wait, that they also kept alive well beyond a point any other company would have. Auto Assault... well, see the other two.  Tabula Rasa? Extremely expensive debacle that immediately hemmorhaged subs... and money... and staff.

Can you list the games you were referring to?

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  Hokie

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Hey Devs, just so you know. The more you give us to play with, the more we play.

10/03/12 12:43:50 AM#22

I have to say I does make me sad.

I stayed sunscribed for about 4-6 months (I think) to both CoHeros and CoVillians. And I have to say I did love jumpimg into a group of enemies with my scrapper and just wailing with martial arts. As a matter of fact I can still hear the sound that one kick makes that would send a bad guy flying.

 

The problem was there was no real..meat to the world, to the game. all I remember was just grnding away on the three different missions. Escort, duel, or object recovey. And I truely think it was superior (especially COH) in every way to Champions Online, except in the graphics dept.

 

I think the game deserves better.

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  AmbrosiaAmor

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10/03/12 1:51:34 AM#23
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by AmbrosiaAmor

They seem to be a pretty "aggressive" company in terms of when to shut down a game. It seems that it isn't worth the time and effort (for the top 2% of the company) to keep a game running if it is barely running above the breaking even point.

 

Exactly, for example there's Dungeon Runne... oh wait, they kept that running far longer than any other company would have. Hmmm... so let's go with Exteel becaus.. oh wait, that they also kept alive well beyond a point any other company would have. Auto Assault... well, see the other two.  Tabula Rasa? Extremely expensive debacle that immediately hemmorhaged subs... and money... and staff.

Can you list the games you were referring to?


Well I was specifically pointing out P2P MMORPG games that were eventually closed in the West or became F2P or P2W games with a huge reduction in servers. I am not sure if you read my response entirely.

 

You pointed out 2 games and gave an example with Dungeon Runners. That game barely lasted for 3 years. I don't expect games to last for 15 years (or coming close to it) like EverQuest. But most of us hope that the next title we play won't close down in less than 4 years.

 

That is why I pointed out that question in bold/underline.

 

These are the games that have been shut down by them in the WEST (mostly not all).

 

Auto Assault

Dungeon Runners

Dragonica

Exteel

Point Blank

Tabula Rasa

City of Heroes

Lineage I

 

I didn't include Guild Wars 1/2 since ArenaNet is the developer. The only major title I can think of that is still available in the West (MMORPG) is Aion; although no longer P2P. The only major title that has been announced in the foreseeable future 2013-2014 is Blade & Soul.

 

So as it currently stands, I will ask again, is there currently any successful P2P NCSoft (developer) MMORPG in 2012?

 

Everything else has been shut down, with very few exceptions, and the only major title (developed) by them is Blade & Soul.

  Montaronx

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10/03/12 2:26:37 AM#24
Aion?

  DavisFlight

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10/03/12 2:37:49 AM#25
Originally posted by Theocritus
Originally posted by Zefire
Surprised people are still playing this game.lol

      Same here...With so many MMOs out today Im sure they can find a new home.

You haven't noticed how the vast majority of MMORPGs made after 2004 suck and die right after launch?

There haven't been many MMOs in the last 8 years that can hold a candle to the Golden Age MMOs, which CoH is a part of.

  JeroKane

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10/03/12 3:43:17 AM#26
Originally posted by Montaronx
Aion?

Aion is now free 2 play and it didn't help much.

Hardly anyone is spending money in the cashshop.

So this game will be next on the "hack" block to be closed down here in the West.

Gameforge already destroyed the population in EU with their famous craptastic hosting and contineous screw ups lol.

  Sasami

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10/03/12 4:05:28 AM#27
I'm not suprised that CoH is going down, I'm suprised it lasted this long. Apart from great character creation and different setting it was highly repeative on so many levels. But I guess lot of people loved it. Time to move on and stop moaning.
  red_cruiser

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10/03/12 4:09:50 AM#28
There was definitely something special about City of Heroes.  The Super Hero MMORPG genre is pretty well saturated... hence, the reason why they are shutting it down... but I definitely think that City of Heroes deserves serious consideration of a sequel.   I would love to return to Paragon City to fight off Freakshow and Carnival of Shadows in a game that felt just a tad bit more modern.  Thankfully, Champions Online is probably one of the most improved MMORPGs of the last year.  City of Heroes had phenomenal world design though.
  tawess

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10/03/12 4:25:03 AM#29

City of heroes was one of the first games i can remember that actually rewarded you for playing in a group. Previous games either gave you the same rewards or actually gave you less rewards if you played in a group. City of Heroes gave you more, and i know many people tout GW2 as the big one that made away with the trinity...

As a matter of fact until you hit endgame you could actually play city of heroes group content with pretty much any combination of "classes" you could run a full controller team (in fact for a while this was very OP as the stacked controll effects simply layed waste to anything.) or a full healer team.. slow but it could be done. Ofc the trinity made it a lot faster and endgame did pretty much demand the trinity.

But the thing that i belive will always stand out the moist in CoH was the level of customzation you could put in to your character. I for one still think the costume options in CoH beats any other MMO to this date (ofc all this came at the cost of having a very rigid body system and facial customzation was pretty much non-existant for a very long time.)

 

So so long and thanks for all the fish.

And give DCUO a try... It have come a long way from its rather horrid start and even if you don't like P7S the game it self is good.

Tomas Soapbox

This have been a good conversation

  nyxium

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Tumbling down the rabbit hole?

10/03/12 5:45:14 AM#30

Brutal, nasty, hope crushing. But.. at least it's honest, to the point and not misleading anyone with maybe's. I respect NCSoft management for that at least.

  JeroKane

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10/03/12 5:53:05 AM#31
Originally posted by tawess

 

And give DCUO a try... It have come a long way from its rather horrid start and even if you don't like P7S the game it self is good.

I won't touch ProSiebenSat7 with a ten foot pole!

Main reason why I, my gf and many many other EU players have said goodbye to EverQuest 2 after the "forced" transfer to PS7 !

It's a terrible company with a terrible reputation!

Just have a look at all the complaint threads already on the PS7 DCUO forums. /shrug

I am done with SOE completely, now they sold us to a terrible company (PS7), that manages to make Frogster and Gameforge look good. /facepalm !

  User Deleted
10/03/12 6:35:36 AM#32

I bet someone will start up a private server somewhere now .

I don't believe the rights couldn't be sold on had it been for the right price . It just doesn't ring true .

I suspect a succesor to CoH is in mind now and thats the real reason the rights have not been sold  .

  tawess

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10/03/12 6:43:35 AM#33
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by tawess

 

And give DCUO a try... It have come a long way from its rather horrid start and even if you don't like P7S the game it self is good.

I won't touch ProSiebenSat7 with a ten foot pole!

Main reason why I, my gf and many many other EU players have said goodbye to EverQuest 2 after the "forced" transfer to PS7 !

It's a terrible company with a terrible reputation!

Just have a look at all the complaint threads already on the PS7 DCUO forums. /shrug

I am done with SOE completely, now they sold us to a terrible company (PS7), that manages to make Frogster and Gameforge look good. /facepalm !

Don't get me wrong.. I have no love for P7S either but seeing as it is either them or champions... i rather run with the game i like then play i game i do not like just so i can avoid a shoddy serverpark manager. But each to their own i guess.

Tomas Soapbox

This have been a good conversation

  rikwes

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10/03/12 7:45:00 AM#34

Anyone buy the "we did everything we can " statement  from a company which knowingly forged a resignation letter to be able to get rid of a game and the guy developing it ( and convicted for doing so ) ?  If I was Arenanet I'd secretly start negotiating with another publisher just in case NCsoft pulls another fast one on them ...

It's not that they decide to get rid of a title it's the fact they lie about just about everything when doing so ( and they do so every time they shut down a title in the west) . Fact of the matter is I have  long ago concluded the management of this company isn't even slightly interested in western hemisphere and it shows every time .Most annoying is they don't even tell the developers when they decide to close a studio - not until the very last moment - so those folks are always still announcing new content  or maintaining there's  "no chance in hell the game shuts down " ( 48 hours before press release announcing shutdown of Tabula Rasa   I vividly recall ) ...that's simply very bad manners .

 

  JeroKane

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10/03/12 8:11:48 AM#35
Originally posted by tawess
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by tawess

 

And give DCUO a try... It have come a long way from its rather horrid start and even if you don't like P7S the game it self is good.

I won't touch ProSiebenSat7 with a ten foot pole!

Main reason why I, my gf and many many other EU players have said goodbye to EverQuest 2 after the "forced" transfer to PS7 !

It's a terrible company with a terrible reputation!

Just have a look at all the complaint threads already on the PS7 DCUO forums. /shrug

I am done with SOE completely, now they sold us to a terrible company (PS7), that manages to make Frogster and Gameforge look good. /facepalm !

Don't get me wrong.. I have no love for P7S either but seeing as it is either them or champions... i rather run with the game i like then play i game i do not like just so i can avoid a shoddy serverpark manager. But each to their own i guess.

The servers are still run by SOE.

PS7 is responsible for the most critical part, like account management system, support and now run their own currency in the Cash Shop! Not even offering what SOE offered before in the Station Store.

They are terrible with terrible support.

I won't trust them with any of my personal and financial information. They have been accused in the past before, by selling gamers personal info to third parties! /facepalm

  Seelinnikoi

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10/03/12 9:04:45 AM#36

And this is why I only play WoW. Not so soon Blizzard is pulling the plug. 

It sucks to spend time on an MMO and see all your fun and work go down the drain.

  spacebot

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10/03/12 9:21:31 AM#37

First and only mmo that had banks in caves and underpasses and well anywere. That's right the door to the mission to stop a bank robbery would be a cave entrance or a maintaince door. 

"We're we going?" Super Sister Spandex asked as she floated past the mysterious cave mouth.

"Duh, to stop a bank robbery!" Replied Super Bob Whyaremyhandshuge.

 

  NameWasTaken

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10/03/12 9:29:05 AM#38

Yea, well... I knew this whole "Save CoH" movement would be a waste of time. Once a studio makes the decision to close a game, nothing short of a hail Mary, from a very rich white knight, is going to have any chance of saving it. From all the protests I've seen, over the years from rabid fans to save a game, I've seen ZERO instances of any success.

I guess now we will see calls for the source code to be released, so private servers can be run, but that too will be a waste of time. It's ironic how a studio will shut down a game, but be so jealously guarded about the "worthless" source code, post sunset.

  Giluvas

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10/03/12 11:04:27 AM#39
Yet another game I bought, and not allowed to play anymore.
  budbundy

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10/03/12 2:10:26 PM#40
Here's a thought since so many people wanna save the game let them finance it. Start a Kickstarter for it. If the make the costs to keep the game alive it doesnt cost NCSoft a penny and they will make money off it and maybe keep the game alive.
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