Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by IPolygon
I am still waiting for an official statement regarding sales. Don't believe others.

somehow I don't see Activision/Blizzard admiting the sales of MoP really sucked. However you can bet your ass if they had sold  2 million or more it would been on the front page of every game site including this one long before now

Originally posted by SlickShoes

Originally posted by Aeolron

Originally posted by syntax42

Originally posted by Aeolron

Originally posted by syntax42

Originally posted by Mothanos

 

I have 10 characters and all profesions on max, so when i server change i need them all.
thats 10x20 euro - 200 euro for me alone then i have my wife with all profs on max.
that would be 400 euro...
Retarded prices if you ask me, no discount for old players from 2004
 

 

 

 

Basically, you are complaining because you are addicted to the game.  Take a break from WoW.  Take a break from all MMOs. Play like a normal person when you come back and make only one character.  It isn't Blizzard's fault that you feel the need to move ten characters around to different servers so often.

 

Also, your complaints don't seem to be relevant to the original discussion topic of this thread.

 

I hope that this thread has been debunked as useless information.  The cited news article does not account for digital sales, which makes the numbers completely worthless.  I'm no fan of WoW, but I was genuinely curious if this expansion had failed already.  It looks like we have to wait for more solid numbers from Blizzard.

 

It took a friend of mine in cata to reach cap on 4 toons a month, just a easy ass mmorpg thats becoming a joke because we have these fanbois who are so intoxicated in this game that they think blizzard is the best! 

 

If it is that easy to level, then Mothanos has no reason to complain.  Instead of paying for transfers, making new characters must be the way to go.

 

I don't play WoW, so I wouldn't know.  I was genuinely interested in the original topic of this thread, but I see it isn't going to be discussed further.

 Even if it's on digital sales or retail outlets , lets be honest here, in the past even when Cata was out, you were hard pressed to find a copy ANYHERE you went , basicly had to wait a week! Now since MOP was released, I have walked into afew places big box stores , and what do I see? Tons and Tons of copies of MOP including a boat load of CE, back when that was unheard of, and if you can't see that as a issue then I don't know what will.

disregarding digital sales at the moment , because we have no numbers or facts or that so all we can do is speculate, but taking from what these retailers say and what their stocks produce I would say yes , the game Is'nt selling well at all.

Also , it's alittle harder to level up in Rift then in WoW I know because I played both games from both betas onward , and I also played games with extreme leveling difficulty , Example , EverQuest, and to Mathonas , he's right , that is stupid exspensive to pay for a transfer of 10 characters and honestly is a highway robbery. Don't mind these guys too much , you just hit the nail on the head!

It depends where you are with regards to finding the expansions on shelves, the last two expansions cataclysm and WOTLK were all over the game store shelves here in Scotland at release and afterwords. Even when StarCraft 2 released I walked in to a normal store a week after release and bought the collectors edition for £50.

I was in a store yesterday and they did have lots of MoP game boxes out but I saw nothing different from the last two expansions, they had also sold out of collectors editions.

The whole argument is pointless until Blizzard release info anyway and even then if the numbers are decent people will still say they are lying.

WoW has lost about 2-3 million subs from it's total since WOTLK/Cata release so it would make sense that sales of this expansion should be lower than those previous.

I'll clarify my statement slick just for you :)

What I meant by that was NA , more so in Canada then anything, because around these parts those expacs go like hot cakes, and considering that NA 's population is triple then the UK's it's not a good thing that MOP is still on shelves is what I am getting at, but in your case even if there are expacs on the shelf that early on the previous expacs further stregthens my point that the game isn't doing well anymore , and you just proved that in other countrys people are fed up.

Originally posted by Aeolron

Originally posted by SlickShoes

Originally posted by Aeolron

Originally posted by syntax42

Originally posted by Aeolron

Originally posted by syntax42

Originally posted by Mothanos

 

I have 10 characters and all profesions on max, so when i server change i need them all.
thats 10x20 euro - 200 euro for me alone then i have my wife with all profs on max.
that would be 400 euro...
Retarded prices if you ask me, no discount for old players from 2004
 

 

 

 

Basically, you are complaining because you are addicted to the game.  Take a break from WoW.  Take a break from all MMOs. Play like a normal person when you come back and make only one character.  It isn't Blizzard's fault that you feel the need to move ten characters around to different servers so often.

 

Also, your complaints don't seem to be relevant to the original discussion topic of this thread.

 

I hope that this thread has been debunked as useless information.  The cited news article does not account for digital sales, which makes the numbers completely worthless.  I'm no fan of WoW, but I was genuinely curious if this expansion had failed already.  It looks like we have to wait for more solid numbers from Blizzard.

 

It took a friend of mine in cata to reach cap on 4 toons a month, just a easy ass mmorpg thats becoming a joke because we have these fanbois who are so intoxicated in this game that they think blizzard is the best! 

 

If it is that easy to level, then Mothanos has no reason to complain.  Instead of paying for transfers, making new characters must be the way to go.

 

I don't play WoW, so I wouldn't know.  I was genuinely interested in the original topic of this thread, but I see it isn't going to be discussed further.

 Even if it's on digital sales or retail outlets , lets be honest here, in the past even when Cata was out, you were hard pressed to find a copy ANYHERE you went , basicly had to wait a week! Now since MOP was released, I have walked into afew places big box stores , and what do I see? Tons and Tons of copies of MOP including a boat load of CE, back when that was unheard of, and if you can't see that as a issue then I don't know what will.

disregarding digital sales at the moment , because we have no numbers or facts or that so all we can do is speculate, but taking from what these retailers say and what their stocks produce I would say yes , the game Is'nt selling well at all.

Also , it's alittle harder to level up in Rift then in WoW I know because I played both games from both betas onward , and I also played games with extreme leveling difficulty , Example , EverQuest, and to Mathonas , he's right , that is stupid exspensive to pay for a transfer of 10 characters and honestly is a highway robbery. Don't mind these guys too much , you just hit the nail on the head!

It depends where you are with regards to finding the expansions on shelves, the last two expansions cataclysm and WOTLK were all over the game store shelves here in Scotland at release and afterwords. Even when StarCraft 2 released I walked in to a normal store a week after release and bought the collectors edition for £50.

I was in a store yesterday and they did have lots of MoP game boxes out but I saw nothing different from the last two expansions, they had also sold out of collectors editions.

The whole argument is pointless until Blizzard release info anyway and even then if the numbers are decent people will still say they are lying.

WoW has lost about 2-3 million subs from it's total since WOTLK/Cata release so it would make sense that sales of this expansion should be lower than those previous.

I'll clarify my statement slick just for you :)

What I meant by that was NA , more so in Canada then anything, because around these parts those expacs go like hot cakes, and considering that NA 's population is triple then the UK's it's not a good thing that MOP is still on shelves is what I am getting at, but in your case even if there are expacs on the shelf that early on the previous expacs further stregthens my point that the game isn't doing well anymore , and you just proved that in other countrys people are fed up.

 

We need Blizzard to release sales figures first but to expect it to be the same or more than Cata is just crazy the game has about 3 million less players overall than when the last expansion released so I would expect sales of MoP to be down by at least half a million.

Ofcourse people are fed up the game is about 8 years old, I have played it for about 6 years on and off and some of those breaks I have taken have been more than year, I can't even imagine how burnt out someone must feel to play the same game for 8 years solid.

All I was saying in my last post was that every WoW expansion is on UK shelves right after release so this one seems no different. The population of NA is also much more than triple that of the UK there are 62 million in the UK and around 350 million in north america.

Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by IPolygon
I am still waiting for an official statement regarding sales. Don't believe others.

somehow I don't see Activision/Blizzard admiting the sales of MoP really sucked. However you can bet your ass if they had sold  2 million or more it would been on the front page of every game site including this one long before now

when blizzard broke sales records - it was announced a week after release

http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/press/pressreleases.html

Dec 7: Cata release

Dec 13: Cata sales PR

May 15 Diablo 3 release

May 23: Diablo3 sales PR  -- 8 day wait

Blizzard will probably make an announcement this week

Originally posted by IPolygon

Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by IPolygon
I am still waiting for an official statement regarding sales. Don't believe others.

somehow I don't see Activision/Blizzard admiting the sales of MoP really sucked. However you can bet your ass if they had sold  2 million or more it would been on the front page of every game site including this one long before now

 

They have to tell their investors at some point.

they will wait for the quarterly report if sales are bad, however if sales are spectacular they would have already been releasing press reports bragging

Originally posted by Zeppelin4

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by Deathenger

Last I checked xfire, they still havent recovered from the loss of players when GW2 released even after MoP.

 

I dont think that article can really accuratly represent digital sales from the WoW main site so I'm sure its much higher than that. On active subscribers alone, even if they only sold MoP to half their subscribers it should still outsell GW2

WOW is back up to the #2 spot on Xfire, and hours played is almost double of GW2

Well since Wow has over 4x the subs you would think it would be over 4x the hours played right? Maybe its not going so well for Wow these days based on those numbers. Time will tell since the expansion just launched. Lets see those hours played in a month. 

GW2 is B2P and does not have subs.

Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by IPolygon
I am still waiting for an official statement regarding sales. Don't believe others.

somehow I don't see Activision/Blizzard admiting the sales of MoP really sucked. However you can bet your ass if they had sold  2 million or more it would been on the front page of every game site including this one long before now

Every game that they released broke some kind of a record and yet they posted a week after the release. So you really have no ground with statements like this.

Whether MoP is a flop or not, we will find out about probably this week.

another analyst says MOP will see 4.5 million units by Q3

http://venturebeat.com/2012/09/27/world-of-warcraft-mists-of-pandaria-performance-disappointing/

Update: Analysts at investment bank Brean Murray, Carrett & Co. are also weighing in on World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria’s financial impact, and they’re painting a rosier picture. They believe the expansion pack will be a key driver of publisher Activision Blizzard’s third quarter 2012 revenue growth.

“We  think  recent  reports  of  weak  retail  sales  for  Mists  of  Pandaria  may  fail  to reflect a channel shift toward a greater percentage of digital sales,” they said.

“More than 1 million people bought premium subscriptions, which bundled a year-long subscription with a copy of Diablo III. We look for the premium subscribers to not only pick up the expansion but for a significant portion of them to download it through the Battle.net platform, which should offer high margin revenue.”

Brean Murray estimates 4.5 million units of Mists of Pandaria will be sold in the third  quarter despite competition from free-to-play titles and NCSoft’s massively multiplayer online role-playing game Guild Wars 2, which has sold over 2 million copies. It also expects subscriber numbers to increase from 9.1 million to 9.8 million by the end of the third quarter.

GamesBeat has contacted Blizzard about this story and will update if there is a response.

edit:

personally, i think this analyst is overreaching

Blizzard Q3 ended Sept 30 - 2 days ago

Originally posted by fixif

Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by IPolygon
I am still waiting for an official statement regarding sales. Don't believe others.

somehow I don't see Activision/Blizzard admiting the sales of MoP really sucked. However you can bet your ass if they had sold  2 million or more it would been on the front page of every game site including this one long before now

Every game that they released broke some kind of a record and yet they posted a week after the release. So you really have no ground with statements like this.

Whether MoP is a flop or not, we will find out about probably this week.

I don't think this one broke anything except their winnng streak, you don't go atround bragging about your current product did worse than the last

Originally posted by Nadia

another analyst says MOP will see 4.5 million units by Q3

http://venturebeat.com/2012/09/27/world-of-warcraft-mists-of-pandaria-performance-disappointing/

Update: Analysts at investment bank Brean Murray, Carrett & Co. are also weighing in on World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria’s financial impact, and they’re painting a rosier picture. They believe the expansion pack will be a key driver of publisher Activision Blizzard’s third quarter 2012 revenue growth.

“We  think  recent  reports  of  weak  retail  sales  for  Mists  of  Pandaria  may  fail  to reflect a channel shift toward a greater percentage of digital sales,” they said.

“More than 1 million people bought premium subscriptions, which bundled a year-long subscription with a copy of Diablo III. We look for the premium subscribers to not only pick up the expansion but for a significant portion of them to download it through the Battle.net platform, which should offer high margin revenue.”

Brean Murray estimates 4.5 million units of Mists of Pandaria will be sold in the third  quarter despite competition from free-to-play titles and NCSoft’s massively multiplayer online role-playing game Guild Wars 2, which has sold over 2 million copies. It also expects subscriber numbers to increase from 9.1 million to 9.8 million by the end of the third quarter.

GamesBeat has contacted Blizzard about this story and will update if there is a response.

Sundays XFire numbers were the equivelent of last Mays numberswhich were around 63K. For comparison January 22 2012 was the last ime WoW broke 100K.

historical data https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AimCXydAYDLYdHUwWGhfWXg2S3pVWFY5QjcxOWlLRUE#gid=0

you can also look at the web site traffic data here

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/blizzard.com

and here

http://www.quantcast.com/blizzard.com

I don't see any significant bump in web site traffic to back up a increase in public interest. On the other hand it does not take a rocket scientist to guess when Diablo III was released

every one is entitled to their opinion of course

It's been a week and still no official "first day" sales numbers.

I think this is the first real evidence that something might be wrong.

Originally posted by Zeppelin4

http://venturebeat.com/2012/09/27/world-of-warcraft-mists-of-pandaria-performance-disappointing/

 

Take it for what its worth.

Link:

It looks like it’s going to take more than kung fu fighting pandas to save Azeroth.

.....

Do not worry. Go instead to play game you enjoy if you do hate pandas or Blizzard.

So far game is a blast as all expansions. And have never heard about some company going only up. When you are at the top (and nobody long long long below) is hard to stay at very top. But for sure you are still the best.

To me this speaks volumes

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2010/12/13/world-of-warcraft-cataclysm-sales-explode

The artical is dated december 13 th 2010 exactly 6 days after Cataclysm was released . Blizzard couldn't wait to release the sales figures to the worlds press .

MoP was released 8 days ago so logically Blizzard should know what the release day sales were .

Thus far there has been no similar announcement . I suspect if sales had been impressive Blizzard would be singing the fact from the rooftops by now . 

Every day that now passes without an announcement from Blizzard makes it more likly the figures have been disapointing .

Originally posted by roo67

To me this speaks volumes

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2010/12/13/world-of-warcraft-cataclysm-sales-explode

The artical is dated december 13 th 2010 exactly 6 days after Cataclysm was released . Blizzard couldn't wait to release the sales figures to the worlds press .

MoP was released 8 days ago so logically Blizzard should know what the release day sales were .

Thus far there has been no similar announcement . I suspect if sales had been impressive Blizzard would be singing the fact from the rooftops by now . 

Every day that now passes without an announcement from Blizzard makes it more likly the figures have been disapointing .

That is the problem with cheering on your numbers when they're good, it becomes very apparent when they aren't good.

They've done that before, when they were having problems in China and their subscribers where shrinking. They were quiet for the longest time and then finally they got the game approved back into China, momentarily hit a new high and screamed it from the rooftops.

I know that no company wants to show how well it is really doing, the main fear being that if they show the declines or show that they are doing badly it might drive off more people. But I would just love for a company to come out that kept a daily update of their subscribers and their peak concurrent users for the day. A flat out honest company with nothing to hide.

Originally posted by SnarlingWolf

I know that no company wants to show how well it is really doing, the main fear being that if they show the declines or show that they are doing badly it might drive off more people. But I would just love for a company to come out that kept a daily update of their subscribers and their peak concurrent users for the day. A flat out honest company with nothing to hide.

I remember when EQ used to show how many players were online at server select

- until DAOC launched, then SOE revised the server lists to not show active population

ncsoft used to give quarterly sub counts by region for all their mmos, including a 2 year qtrly history

but they stopped doing that in 2008 with the disappointment of Tabula Rasa

Didnt read the whole thread - so not sure if anyone seen or posted this - http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/10/01/analysts-mists-of-pandaria-sales-not-so-disappointing/

I guess the disappointing sales were not as disappointing.

Anybody who is in finance (of which I am) will tell you - they make this stuff up and you cant use it as fact.

Just look at the financial crisis for proof...

Originally posted by Nadia

Originally posted by SnarlingWolf

I know that no company wants to show how well it is really doing, the main fear being that if they show the declines or show that they are doing badly it might drive off more people. But I would just love for a company to come out that kept a daily update of their subscribers and their peak concurrent users for the day. A flat out honest company with nothing to hide.

I remember when EQ used to show how many players were online at server select

- until DAOC launched, then SOE revised the server lists to not show active population

 

ncsoft used to give quarterly sub counts by region for all their mmos, including a 2 year qtrly history

but they stopped doing that in 2008 with the disappointment of Tabula Rasa

Exactly, everyone is so afraid of the "bad news" that they do everything they can to hide it.

What is so wrong with honesty? Yeah, a new game came out so some of your players left. What a shocker, news at 11.

Companies spend so much time trying to twist things by releasing data like "registered accounts" or hiding how many people are logged in, changing the definition of high on a server list, etc.

They also spend a lot of time hiding or disguising how many people they have working on the project. Maybe people would have more realistic expectations, specifically for smaller companies/games, if they came out and said "Yeah, we have 10 people working on this".

Just a dream I always have of how much better it could be if everyone just owned up to things.

Originally posted by darkhalf357x

Didnt read the whole thread - so not sure if anyone seen or posted this - http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/10/01/analysts-mists-of-pandaria-sales-not-so-disappointing/

I guess the disappointing sales were not as disappointing.

Anybody who is in finance (of which I am) will tell you - they make this stuff up and you cant use it as fact.

Just look at the financial crisis for proof...

Yes I did see this earlier today .  Apparently  Massively wrote in its report. Brean, Murray ,Carrett and Co. estimate by the end of the third quarter 4.5 million units of MoP will be sold .

As many people on massively have pointed out already .For this to be accurate every player currently playing WoW( in the areas MoP has been released ) now would have to buy the expansion by the end of the third quarter and also it would have to bring in new players who would also buy MoP in by the end of the third quarter .

While this isn't impossible its a very optamistic outlook to say the least and as many other people have said its highly unlikly .