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  halflife25

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Posts: 787

9/30/12 4:14:51 AM#41
Originally posted by Kuinn
Originally posted by halflife25
Originally posted by just1opinion
Originally posted by Aviggin

What in the hell is wrong with people? So many zones were completely dead and lifeless, and now withthe CRZ I am seeing people all over the place. I even made a friend with someone from another realm while just randomly out grouping, added him as a friend, and now we can pretty much play the game together at any time even being from separate realms.

In essence, this brings groups of servers together so they're like one massive server. How is this a BAD thing? Why is this even an ISSUE!?

If you're so anti-social that you prefer to play the game without running into many people, then go play a single player game and leave the MMO genre to the people that actually enjoy multiplayer.

Thanks.

 

Didn't you READ the multiple terrible bugs that come with CRZs, at least right now until and IF they're fixed?  Did you read the OP at all?  There's another link in this thread that will also detail some of the issues and the responses beneath it are even MORE eye-opening.

I am just goign to tell you what GW2 fans love to tell others.

Every new MMO, expansion, content etc etc has bugs. Give it some time i am sure they will fix it.

Right?

 

You really do hate them dont you? :D

 

I think more important here is, that WoW had perfectly fine seamless open world that worked like a dream, and then they butchered it simply to dodge the embarassing process of server merging. With this another community scattering "feature" they now can have servers up and running even if they only have a handful of people in them, no mergers, no doomsayers!

 

This is another feature added just to keep business side of things going strong, meh. It's funny to even think they say "CRZ is there so low pop areas have more people to play with" when the whole leveling experience to max level is designed as a SOLO trek. How about "CRZ is there to spice up world PvP" when there's no world PvP objectives or rewards after 8 years other than feeling good about chain one shotting lowbies from other realms on your max char? Obvious lies is a good way to insult your customers.

You people get insulted a lot no matter what Blizzard does. But are you Blizzards customer right now? nope. See i would understand if you were playing the game and had any interest in it. But for someone who wants MOP to fail because of his own personal dislikes, don't mind if i don't take anything you take seriously.

 

However, it is extremely ironic that GW2 fans are complainign about glitches and bugs..i mean have you seen GW2 forums? 215 pages of nothing but  broken content and bugs since launch. But if someone points out towards that the typical answer is..

'well million others are enjoying the game inclusing myself, my neighbour Bob and his dog Charlie. We didn't come across any bugs and since our account was never hacked....everything is allright.

Well i think same can be said for MOP.

 

 

  Kuinn

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Joined: 1/10/11
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9/30/12 6:56:17 AM#42
Originally posted by halflife25
Originally posted by Kuinn
Originally posted by halflife25
Originally posted by just1opinion
Originally posted by Aviggin

What in the hell is wrong with people? So many zones were completely dead and lifeless, and now withthe CRZ I am seeing people all over the place. I even made a friend with someone from another realm while just randomly out grouping, added him as a friend, and now we can pretty much play the game together at any time even being from separate realms.

In essence, this brings groups of servers together so they're like one massive server. How is this a BAD thing? Why is this even an ISSUE!?

If you're so anti-social that you prefer to play the game without running into many people, then go play a single player game and leave the MMO genre to the people that actually enjoy multiplayer.

Thanks.

 

Didn't you READ the multiple terrible bugs that come with CRZs, at least right now until and IF they're fixed?  Did you read the OP at all?  There's another link in this thread that will also detail some of the issues and the responses beneath it are even MORE eye-opening.

I am just goign to tell you what GW2 fans love to tell others.

Every new MMO, expansion, content etc etc has bugs. Give it some time i am sure they will fix it.

Right?

 

You really do hate them dont you? :D

 

I think more important here is, that WoW had perfectly fine seamless open world that worked like a dream, and then they butchered it simply to dodge the embarassing process of server merging. With this another community scattering "feature" they now can have servers up and running even if they only have a handful of people in them, no mergers, no doomsayers!

 

This is another feature added just to keep business side of things going strong, meh. It's funny to even think they say "CRZ is there so low pop areas have more people to play with" when the whole leveling experience to max level is designed as a SOLO trek. How about "CRZ is there to spice up world PvP" when there's no world PvP objectives or rewards after 8 years other than feeling good about chain one shotting lowbies from other realms on your max char? Obvious lies is a good way to insult your customers.

You people get insulted a lot no matter what Blizzard does. But are you Blizzards customer right now? nope. See i would understand if you were playing the game and had any interest in it. But for someone who wants MOP to fail because of his own personal dislikes, don't mind if i don't take anything you take seriously.

 

 

So I need to start paying monthly for the game that I enjoyed for years JUST to have the right to speak now? I'm not a Blizzard customer? Really? I am a Blizzard customer 24/7, I check everything that comes out from them and also re-review their old persistent titles to see if there's a reasons to play those again. You should just stop posting about this, when clearly you have nothing more to say about the actual topic. Btw, are you a WoW fanboy now that you cant take valid criticism about it?

  halflife25

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Joined: 9/13/12
Posts: 787

9/30/12 7:05:41 AM#43
Originally posted by Kuinn
 

So I need to start paying monthly for the game that I enjoyed for years JUST to have the right to speak now? I'm not a Blizzard customer? Really? I am a Blizzard customer 24/7, I check everything that comes out from them and also re-review their old persistent titles to see if there's a reasons to play those again. You should just stop posting about this, when clearly you have nothing more to say about the actual topic. Btw, are you a WoW fanboy now that you cant take valid criticism about it?

No i am your moral compass. Pointing out the hypocricy and double standards where ever i can.  I am actually on topic. So nothing to say about irony of GW2 fans complaining about glitches and bugs of MOP and CRZ? ofcourse not. 

It is not about being cutomer but wanting the game to fail because you dislike it. You are no better than GW2 trolls you so vigrously fight every day to defend honor of GW2. They too want the game to fail well because they dislike it.

If irony was a bus and hit you in the face you still wouldn't know it.

  Amjoco

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Joined: 9/15/10
Posts: 3449

9/30/12 7:06:09 AM#44
I'm sorry, but I didn't want to read through the entire thread, but is the Cross Realm system even up and working? I have been playing in Wyrmrest Accord since launch, and haven't noticed a single change in population while leveling.

Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.

  emperorwings

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Joined: 12/25/06
Posts: 1249

9/30/12 7:08:23 AM#45
Just makes everyone a random and unlikely to see again.

This isn't a signature, you just think it is.

  Loke666

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Joined: 10/29/07
Posts: 16024

9/30/12 7:14:29 AM#46

I dont see why they do all this trouble instead of merging the smaller servers, that have been something they should have done years ago.

Really, I dont see anyone complaining about that (except that a few devs from other companies might smirk since Blizzard were less than good winners in the past a nd said a few things about games that merge their servers). 

Not worth it.

  krakra70

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Joined: 9/05/12
Posts: 127

9/30/12 8:18:07 AM#47
Originally posted by Loke666

I dont see why they do all this trouble instead of merging the smaller servers, that have been something they should have done years ago.

Really, I dont see anyone complaining about that (except that a few devs from other companies might smirk since Blizzard were less than good winners in the past a nd said a few things about games that merge their servers). 

Not worth it.

merging or adding servers doesn't solve the problem since it's only a temporary measure. You will have to merge or add every time the population changes. With CRZs even if the population drops to 1 mil they won't have to merge and the world will still feel alive. 

  Loke666

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Joined: 10/29/07
Posts: 16024

9/30/12 8:28:37 AM#48
Originally posted by krakra70

merging or adding servers doesn't solve the problem since it's only a temporary measure. You will have to merge or add every time the population changes. With CRZs even if the population drops to 1 mil they won't have to merge and the world will still feel alive. 

Together with a free transfer every week it actually helps a lot.

Another solution would of course be to go 100% out and only have a single server for each region and just open up a new instance once the first fills out but it have the same problem as CRZ have: you stop knowing the people you play with.

The best thing with servers is that you actually start to know people on your server after playing a while, and that goes for any MMO. It makes guild recruitment a lot easier, if you played a bit with someone and he leaves his guild for some reason you know what you get when you invite him to yours and knowing people is the key to make a better community.

Playing with people you likely wont see again can lead to rather nasty behaviour and it takes away a lot of the social aspect of MMOs.

I also think they could increase the server population when they merge though, but taking away the point of servers is a misstake.

  Kuinn

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Joined: 1/10/11
Posts: 1853

9/30/12 11:07:35 AM#49
Originally posted by halflife25
Originally posted by Kuinn
 

 

No i am your moral compass. Pointing out the hypocricy and double standards where ever i can.  I am actually on topic. So nothing to say about irony of GW2 fans complaining about glitches and bugs of MOP and CRZ? ofcourse not. 

It is not about being cutomer but wanting the game to fail because you dislike it. You are no better than GW2 trolls you so vigrously fight every day to defend honor of GW2. They too want the game to fail well because they dislike it.

If irony was a bus and hit you in the face you still wouldn't know it.

 

Says the guy who thinks valid criticism towards MoP is not acceptable, but even trolling and baiting is just fine towards something else. When did this become about GW2 anyway? I never mentioned it anywhere.

 

I already posted why CRZ is a business supporting feature instead of being a feature that actually helps the players. I didnt even talk about glitches or bugs, but about the whole feature being sold to players for all the purposes except for what it claims to do.

 

Just try to understand, the feature is to bring more people together so they can group up for open world content, those are Blizzards own words, and this is kinda funny when we talk about a world that has only solo content. It fixes a problem that never existed, why? So they dont have to merge servers now that the low-servers are "populated" once again ... That's not my opinion, it's simply what's happening. It's taking customers from behind with no warning. Those customers have enjoyed for the entire "WoW life" a smooth and seamless, propably the best open world technically in any mmorpg, until now.

 

-snip- I actually posted a big list of things here that I think WoW does a lot better than GW2, but deleted it because what's the point really. It's just off topic not to mention I dont have to prove you anything. Hey why dont you go and create a "Things you dont like about GW2" topic on the GW2 section and I'll make sure to pay a visit :)
  halflife25

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Joined: 9/13/12
Posts: 787

9/30/12 11:14:19 AM#50
Originally posted by Kuinn
Originally posted by halflife25
Originally posted by Kuinn
 

 

No i am your moral compass. Pointing out the hypocricy and double standards where ever i can.  I am actually on topic. So nothing to say about irony of GW2 fans complaining about glitches and bugs of MOP and CRZ? ofcourse not. 

It is not about being cutomer but wanting the game to fail because you dislike it. You are no better than GW2 trolls you so vigrously fight every day to defend honor of GW2. They too want the game to fail well because they dislike it.

If irony was a bus and hit you in the face you still wouldn't know it.

 

Says the guy who thinks valid criticism towards MoP is not acceptable, but even trolling and baiting is just fine towards something else. When did this become about GW2 anyway? I never mentioned it anywhere.

 You still don't get it do you? it was never about WOW..and it is still not about WOW. By the way are you capable of taking any valid criticism towards GW2? or even better are GW2 fans capable of accepting valid criticism of GW2? and by valid i don't mean 'i dislike the game so it must die'.

I already posted why CRZ is a business supporting feature instead of being a feature that actually helps the players. I didnt even talk about glitches or bugs, but about the whole feature being sold to players for all the purposes except for what it claims to do.

Yes you didn't, i never said you did. But since you are such a beacon of honesty i thought you might have somethign to add on it.

 

Just try to understand, the feature is to bring more people together so they can group up for open world content, those are Blizzards own words, and this is kinda funny when we talk about a world that has only solo content. It fixes a problem that never existed, why? So they dont have to merge servers now that the low-servers are "populated" once again ... That's not my opinion, it's simply what's happening. It's taking customers from behind with no warning. Those customers have enjoyed for the entire "WoW life" a smooth and seamless, propably the best open world technically in any mmorpg, until now.

Because server merges are looked down upon? and with this new system populationc an drop to a million or two and Blizzard still wouldn't need to worry about server merges. If you want to flame Blizzard for being clever in running business be my guest.

 

-snip- I actually posted a big list of things here that I think WoW does a lot better than GW2, but deleted it because what's the point really. It's just off topic not to mention I dont have to prove you anything. Hey why dont you go and create a "Things you dont like about GW2" topic on the GW2 section and I'll make sure to pay a visit :)
I love GW2 despite its short comings and criticize the game when it is warranted. I never said i hate or dislike GW2 so i don't need to make a list just for the sake of it. I am more of an anti-fan  not anti - GW2.

 

  Kuinn

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9/30/12 12:25:30 PM#51
Originally posted by halflife25

Says the guy who thinks valid criticism towards MoP is not acceptable, but even trolling and baiting is just fine towards something else. When did this become about GW2 anyway? I never mentioned it anywhere.

 You still don't get it do you? it was never about WOW..and it is still not about WOW. By the way are you capable of taking any valid criticism towards GW2? or even better are GW2 fans capable of accepting valid criticism of GW2? and by valid i don't mean 'i dislike the game so it must die'.

Cross realm zones are not about WoW? And you keep on bringing GW2 up again. Please, I already recommended you on making a topic for that, I promise I'll comment on it there.

I already posted why CRZ is a business supporting feature instead of being a feature that actually helps the players. I didnt even talk about glitches or bugs, but about the whole feature being sold to players for all the purposes except for what it claims to do.

Yes you didn't, i never said you did. But since you are such a beacon of honesty i thought you might have somethign to add on it.

 Avoiding the whole CRZ topic here again. And yes, new big features always have bugs in any game, it's quite obvious imo.

Just try to understand, the feature is to bring more people together so they can group up for open world content, those are Blizzards own words, and this is kinda funny when we talk about a world that has only solo content. It fixes a problem that never existed, why? So they dont have to merge servers now that the low-servers are "populated" once again ... That's not my opinion, it's simply what's happening. It's taking customers from behind with no warning. Those customers have enjoyed for the entire "WoW life" a smooth and seamless, propably the best open world technically in any mmorpg, until now.

Because server merges are looked down upon? and with this new system populationc an drop to a million or two and Blizzard still wouldn't need to worry about server merges. If you want to flame Blizzard for being clever in running business be my guest.

 Yes, server merges are always looked down upon, the doomsayers mobilize immediately when the mergers happen, and often active players can feel bad about their chosen title shrinking instead of growing. I never flamed Blizzard for being clever running business, I'm actually trying to say that this feature indeed is to secure their business, not so much to be there for the players though.

-snip- I actually posted a big list of things here that I think WoW does a lot better than GW2, but deleted it because what's the point really. It's just off topic not to mention I dont have to prove you anything. Hey why dont you go and create a "Things you dont like about GW2" topic on the GW2 section and I'll make sure to pay a visit :)
I love GW2 despite its short comings and criticize the game when it is warranted. I never said i hate or dislike GW2 so i don't need to make a list just for the sake of it. I am more of an anti-fan  not anti - GW2.

 But I need to make the list, just so you can stop taking me for somekind of super GW2 fanboy which you have admitted to not like, and that makes it impossible to try and have any discussion with you since you just ignore everything and concentrate on the assumed fanboyism of GW2 here.

 

So yes, it's pretty crucial for me to point out to you that IN MY OPINION GW2 has tons of shortcomings, which I wouldnt be able to do if I were such a fanboy.

 

  MikkelB

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Joined: 2/23/06
Posts: 239

10/01/12 7:17:38 AM#52

I only starting playing Pandaria this weekend, so I haven't experienced the CRZ much. I did enjoy it however, when I instantly got a group together for [3]Counterattack! in the Northren Barrens. People were even asking for groups in the chat for that quest, something I haven't seen a lot before. Last month I did a lot of archeology on my paladin. Only in the Eastern Kingdoms. I was actually shocked to see al those zones empty, onyl filled with NPC's. If the CRZ can counter that, I'm already glad. I haven't ran into any bugs (yet) and I'm pretty confident that Blizzard will fix those asap.

Regarding questing, yes, perhaps Blizzard needs to look at certain spawntimers. Regarding resources, hell no, the way it's now, it's like in the old days, zones filled with players, with all needing the resources. A month ago it was more the opposite, nearly no players, with one or two players having a fieldday with resources in the empty zones.

  User Deleted
10/01/12 7:31:26 AM#53
Originally posted by MikkelB

I only starting playing Pandaria this weekend, so I haven't experienced the CRZ much. I did enjoy it however, when I instantly got a group together for [3]Counterattack! in the Northren Barrens. People were even asking for groups in the chat for that quest, something I haven't seen a lot before. Last month I did a lot of archeology on my paladin. Only in the Eastern Kingdoms. I was actually shocked to see al those zones empty, onyl filled with NPC's. If the CRZ can counter that, I'm already glad. I haven't ran into any bugs (yet) and I'm pretty confident that Blizzard will fix those asap.

Regarding questing, yes, perhaps Blizzard needs to look at certain spawntimers. Regarding resources, hell no, the way it's now, it's like in the old days, zones filled with players, with all needing the resources. A month ago it was more the opposite, nearly no players, with one or two players having a fieldday with resources in the empty zones.

Heres a ovel approach.  Do away with anything that promotes laziness and sitting around in cities.  That is the main reason why I quit WoW, such a horrible decsion to promote dungeon/instance/battleground/raid/daily queing from cities.  Once you hit level cap there is ZERO reason to go into the world and that is just wrong!

 

Id take a dwindling (supposedly) playerbase in GW2 where the world is ALWAYS alive and there are people doing things throughout the world.  At this point WoW might as well go full on lobby based gameplay ala D3 or GW1 and save money on server space.

  Nadia

Elite Member

Joined: 7/26/03
Posts: 10803

10/01/12 7:39:05 AM#54
Originally posted by Zylaxx

At this point WoW might as well go full on lobby based gameplay ala D3 or GW1 and save money on server space.

thats been my issue w WOW too

at launch, WOW was commended as a seamless world -- except boat rides and dungeons

 

now, much of WOW gameplay is an instanced world

players sitting in cities queuing for instances:  dungeons, scenarios, battegrounds, raids

  GoldenArrow

Apprentice Member

Joined: 6/09/08
Posts: 931

10/01/12 7:45:19 AM#55

The only real problems I'd find with CRZ is the disappearing nodes and rares.

Other than that, people don't actually leave the "main towns" anymore.

  Karelia

Apprentice Member

Joined: 1/21/12
Posts: 688

10/01/12 7:47:48 AM#56
Originally posted by Zylaxx
Originally posted by MikkelB

I only starting playing Pandaria this weekend, so I haven't experienced the CRZ much. I did enjoy it however, when I instantly got a group together for [3]Counterattack! in the Northren Barrens. People were even asking for groups in the chat for that quest, something I haven't seen a lot before. Last month I did a lot of archeology on my paladin. Only in the Eastern Kingdoms. I was actually shocked to see al those zones empty, onyl filled with NPC's. If the CRZ can counter that, I'm already glad. I haven't ran into any bugs (yet) and I'm pretty confident that Blizzard will fix those asap.

Regarding questing, yes, perhaps Blizzard needs to look at certain spawntimers. Regarding resources, hell no, the way it's now, it's like in the old days, zones filled with players, with all needing the resources. A month ago it was more the opposite, nearly no players, with one or two players having a fieldday with resources in the empty zones.

Heres a ovel approach.  Do away with anything that promotes laziness and sitting around in cities.  That is the main reason why I quit WoW, such a horrible decsion to promote dungeon/instance/battleground/raid/daily queing from cities.  Once you hit level cap there is ZERO reason to go into the world and that is just wrong!

 

Id take a dwindling (supposedly) playerbase in GW2 where the world is ALWAYS alive and there are people doing things throughout the world.  At this point WoW might as well go full on lobby based gameplay ala D3 or GW1 and save money on server space.

so what? can you kill any1 in the world? there is no point. the only point is to zerg DE's. nothing more.

it means nothing if you have as many ppl as you want out in the zones if you cant fight some1. you have your own minerals, your own herbs, your own storyline to follow, nothing to compete with others.  its like a single player game, either you want it or not.

i agree that you have to know what you buy before you do it, but anyway the game feels and IS a single player one, with some, not grouping, but playing alongside elements.

btw i loved GW1 far more than this one. it was (in its time) superior in every aspect than GW2. For me and most of my friends and guild mates will always be (in its current state) an alt mmo.

  oreal52

Apprentice Member

Joined: 11/27/08
Posts: 76

10/01/12 8:00:14 AM#57

Pandas ?! no thank you

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  User Deleted
10/01/12 8:03:05 AM#58
CRZ is so awesome I honestly don't care if they lose all but 100k subscribers.
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