Originally posted by mxbx
The fact is, this is just another in a long line of flops that's failing to live up to the hype.  Does anyone seriously deny that ArenaNet is spiking their sales numbers?  And let's not forget: it failed as F2P right out of the gate, where ToR and many other games managed to run P2P for at least a few months.  How can the ArenaNet fanbois call ToR a failure and GW2 a success when ToR managed to hold subs for months? 

No, dear random user, the fact is GW2 is a success. Proof: sale numbers, good population across all servers, WvW is very popular - queue any time of a day or week, loyal and huge playbase. Also, perfect business model allows it to keep it alive for a long time, just like GW1.

I can't believe such obvious troll posts like the OP aren't immediatly removed from the forums.

His first line he's already stating his personal feelings for facts... how can you take the guy serious or expect some descent discussion to originate from the OP.

Originally posted by Brixon

OMG it's b2p, even if it sucks ass (which it doesn't), how can it be a flop? For the cost of the box, you can play this MMO forever without sub fees. Sure it may not appeal to everyone, what game does? It would be great to have more MMO's like this.

I'm suprised game companies are still trying to make MMO's anymore. Since no matter what they make, they can't win. Good luck waiting for the holy grail of gaming.

I couldnt resist... A big problem is the strong copycat tendency in the mmorpg genre. It's not my problem that developers think there is a tried and tested recipie for MMORPG's, and the players are bored out of their skull because of it.

It is only a matter of time before a development company delivers a huge success because they can and do think "out of the box". Unfortunately, the amount of time it will take has proven to be extremely long...

Originally posted by Mimzel

Originally posted by Brixon

OMG it's b2p, even if it sucks ass (which it doesn't), how can it be a flop? For the cost of the box, you can play this MMO forever without sub fees. Sure it may not appeal to everyone, what game does? It would be great to have more MMO's like this.

I'm suprised game companies are still trying to make MMO's anymore. Since no matter what they make, they can't win. Good luck waiting for the holy grail of gaming.

I couldnt resist... A big problem is the strong copycat tendency in the mmorpg genre. It's not my problem that developers think there is a tried and tested recipie for MMORPG's, and the players are bored out of their skull because of it.

It is only a matter of time before a development company delivers a huge success because they can and do think "out of the box". Unfortunately, the amount of time it will take has proven to be extremely long...

Just like it's a matter of time before we get that "ideal" or "right" president canidant?  Not gonna happen, will always be the lesser evil syndrom.

I'm not a fanboy of any game and I say it how it is.  I haven't logged into GW2 for some time now because I found the whole thing repetitive. Each time I walked into a new zone, I thought, "here we go again, x vistas to visit, x hearts to complete etc, rinse and repeat" it just feels like a meld of things chucked together with no soul.

Being as inquisitive as I am, I rolled a panda in MoP (haven't played for a few months) and am loving it - lots of feeling, pandas are fun, game has gripped me. 

I can't see me playing GW2 again as I found it dull. Those rating it so highly, check back in a few months. I think it'll be half-dead.

Originally posted by Yamota

 GW 2 is BTP+CashShop which means they need people playing the game to get money from the Cash Shop. So even though I dont expect it to keep alot of people playing the game, and probably ArenaNet does not either, it is not entirely Buy To Play.

new people buying the game helps anet too

and there will be paid expansions - like almost all mmos have

if GW2 continually sells new copies i dont see revenue issues

the cash shop helps -- new players buying the game helps more

Originally posted by Nadia

Originally posted by Yamota

 GW 2 is BTP+CashShop which means they need people playing the game to get money from the Cash Shop. So even though I dont expect it to keep alot of people playing the game, and probably ArenaNet does not either, it is not entirely Buy To Play.

new people buying the game helps anet too

and there will be paid expansions - like almost all mmos have

 

if GW2 continually sells new copies i dont see revenue issues

the cash shop helps -- new players buying the game helps more

Yes but all games, including MMORPGs, has a declining number of people buying the game as time goes along. And just after six months the number of people buying the game has gone so low that the revenue stream is simply too small to keep up with any major development tasks. The main source of income, at that time, would be the cash shop which is why we will see more and more stuff being added to it.

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Originally posted by mxbx
And let's not forget: it failed as F2P right out of the gate, where ToR and many other games managed to run P2P for at least a few months.

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God I feel like a sucker. I pre-ordered GW2 and paid $US60.00 for it. If I'd known it was going to launch as F2P I could have kept that sixty bucks and just played for free.

Originally posted by Theocritus

     IT seems like every MMO follows the same pattern on this site:

1. in beta every MMO is the greatest thing ever

2. at release the games are promising but the bad release is hurting it

3. one month after release the game is crap and is a failure despite what the sales numbers say

4. players start looking for the next great MMO that is over 2 years away from release and proclaim how great it is though they have never played it

Quote for truth.

This site is such a bad info if you want anything viable. MMORPG was wonce a great site, now its a company making money and community is so horried I find myself stupid reading any posts.

I don't think GW2 is a flop, it's a great game (I know I haven't given it the highest scores personally - but that's just me) - it did well on box sales and while it does have a cash shop I'm not sure why anyone would think there's a threat to future development.

Single player games live on box sales and then DLC/Expansion content sales. GW2 should be treated the same despite having an online persistent world. Yes, there's the cost of servers, but ANET did it just fine with GW1, so I can't imagine that server technology has skyrocketed in price since then (if anything the fact that they already have the infrastructure means there's lower cost of operations).

Then there's people like me who fully intend to play it on an off. I bought CE and 3 character slots, I'm sure many have done similarly. I don't think they're hurting.  Will it have massive retention? Eh, I'm leaning towards no, but we'll see.

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Nadia

if GW2 continually sells new copies i dont see revenue issues

the cash shop helps -- new players buying the game helps more

Yes but all games, including MMORPGs, has a declining number of people buying the game as time goes along. And just after six months the number of people buying the game has gone so low that the revenue stream is simply too small to keep up with any major development tasks. The main source of income, at that time, would be the cash shop which is why we will see more and more stuff being added to it.

it took RIFT four months to sell 1 million -- Guild Wars is barely over a month old

http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/07/rift-approaching-the-one-million-sell-through-mark/

If they have sold enough copies to recoup development costs, then anything beyond that is profit and successful.

however, if the game ends up pissing off most of the people who purchased it, it will hurt ANet in the long run. So far, I do not see this to be the case.

time will tell

This was taken at 7am CST on Oct 1st. Sure looks like it is in BIG trouble....

Originally posted by IPolygon
This and GW1 was never a flop too, even though it had a much smaller audience. Just because it is nowhere near 10 millions of WoW doesn't mean it is a flop.

GW1 has sold over 7 million copies. Making it a rather large success and the reason Anet has a blank check for GW2.

Originally posted by NBlitz
People posting about populations...I thought I read somewhere that what is shown on the World Selection screen is how full the server is, accounts-wise.
Which would explain why people are seeing servers being shown "full" 24/7.

I read that too. That their server statuses are based on the accounts bound to that sever, not actual real time load.

edit - What I read wasn't am official statement, but it would be interesting to see the source of this.

Much too early. All MMOs have launch issues and neither Guild Wars 2 nor TOR are alone in the early phase activity dives.

This is the stage of the game in which bug fixes and major issues are the focus. All new MMOs need to pass this hurdle.

Guild Wars 2 has something that TOR did not - competent developers. And yes - I just called Bioware incompetent. They haven't made a good game since their buy-out by EA nor did they have any experience with massive online gaming.

Originally posted by mxbx
The fact is, this is just another in a long line of flops that's failing to live up to the hype.  Does anyone seriously deny that ArenaNet is spiking their sales numbers?  And let's not forget: it failed as F2P right out of the gate, where ToR and many other games managed to run P2P for at least a few months.  How can the ArenaNet fanbois call ToR a failure and GW2 a success when ToR managed to hold subs for months? 

tor was loosing subs all the time... We can see how good it kept subs numbers by the fact that they're doing F2P conversion.

GW2 is a success just by sales numbers so far, since it's the only thing they can see because of their model. GW2 IS NOT F2P.

Just by the numbers of players still in game and how the queue for W3 is full all the time on my server I'd say it's doing pretty damn good...

By the way, just because someone is playing a game you don't like they're not instantly "fanboi", as you ignorantly proclaim us.