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General Discussion  » Is it too early to call GW2 a flop?

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  Iselin

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10/01/12 3:40:09 AM#81
Sometimes I have a hard time separating the forum crazies from the trolls... a flop? lol
  stayontarget

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10/01/12 3:40:44 AM#82
A flop ?  No its not even close to being a flop.  Bad game design maybe but not a total flop.

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  Caldrin

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10/01/12 3:42:28 AM#83

Dont get me wrong i am not a fan of GW2 i think its pretty boring compared to other themepark games out there.. and it realyl didnt bring anything new to themepark games just things done slightly different.

 

Is it a flop?.. i dont think so they sold enough copeis and people will probally keep gonig back when new stuff is added. Remember there is no sub so all GW2 devs need to do is release paid for exp or DLC every now and then and most people will pop back and buy them,

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  Furrballs

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10/01/12 3:43:01 AM#84
I dont think you could call it a flop as such, selling 2 million copies of anything is an achievement, retaining that number long term seems really unlikely, it will probably drop back to several hundred thousand regular players much like rift has, I would expect a fair few to return for the next expansion. For me it failed to give that feeling that its a new mmo home that you can stay with for years, sadly only wow or perhaps rift give me that.
  TwoThreeFour

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10/01/12 3:45:13 AM#85
Originally posted by papaz1

I don't quite understand, why would you call it a flop?

- Lots of boxes sold - check

- Great reviews and reception - check

- Doing well on xfire - check

 

Add to that no subscription + Anet adding ladders/ranking soon.

 

What were you expecting?

Is it really doing well on xfire? Given that such threads get locked quickly, it is hard to remember. Last time I checked some people were saying activity was declining similar to what SWTOR did back in the days.

  Lydon

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10/01/12 3:46:47 AM#86
A flop how, exactly? If you don't like it, then by all means don't, but if you're going to make rubbish claims about spiked sales numbers that aren't remotely based upon fact, then I have to call BS. As far as I'm concerned, a game is considered a flop when it's an event to run across someone whilst exploring the world. That is indicative of an unhealthily low population (games such as Ryzom and Tabula Rasa spring to mind). Guild Wars 2 is nowhere NEAR those in comparison. I still have to queue for WvWvW matches and am constantly doing PvE events with other people. It's only natural that after launch and the years of build up, people will start playing less. I as a person who loves the game am doing that myself.

  marcust

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10/01/12 3:53:49 AM#87

Just had a ball running a level 61 storyline with 2 other people.

Calling GW2 a flop is like calling the OP a genius....

 

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  Ren128

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10/01/12 4:00:13 AM#88

In book MMO isn't a flop, unless the company goes tits up (bankrupt) and the servers go off-line so people can't play it anymore. Either that or they add P2W cash shop (which it didn't have at launch) which changes totally the game dynamics.

 

 

 

 

  bobfish

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10/01/12 4:02:28 AM#89

NCSoft is a public company, they will release revenue figures in Jan/Feb that will cover the quarter that Guild Wars 2 launched in.

 

Until then, we can't say whether it is a success or a flop.

  lilHeala

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10/01/12 4:02:31 AM#90
Originally posted by bubaluba
I said that 2 years ago

Who cares that you were incorrect already 2 years ago?

  Gaia_Hunter

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10/01/12 4:15:52 AM#91
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
Originally posted by papaz1

I don't quite understand, why would you call it a flop?

- Lots of boxes sold - check

- Great reviews and reception - check

- Doing well on xfire - check

 

Add to that no subscription + Anet adding ladders/ranking soon.

 

What were you expecting?

Is it really doing well on xfire? Given that such threads get locked quickly, it is hard to remember. Last time I checked some people were saying activity was declining similar to what SWTOR did back in the days.

Depends on how you want to see it.

Sure the numbers went down from a peak of 92K hours and 14K users to 35K hours and 9K users. You might look at this is and say GW2 is dying.

Or you can look on how WoW:MoP peak is 66K hours and 10K players, how WoW pre GW2 was on 50K hours and after GW2 but before MoP it was on 25K hours and 6K users.

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  SuperDonk

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10/01/12 4:19:15 AM#92
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
Originally posted by papaz1

I don't quite understand, why would you call it a flop?

- Lots of boxes sold - check

- Great reviews and reception - check

- Doing well on xfire - check

 

Add to that no subscription + Anet adding ladders/ranking soon.

 

What were you expecting?

Is it really doing well on xfire? Given that such threads get locked quickly, it is hard to remember. Last time I checked some people were saying activity was declining similar to what SWTOR did back in the days.

Depends on how you want to see it.

Sure the numbers went down from a peak of 92K hours and 14K users to 35K hours and 9K users. You might look at this is and say GW2 is dying.

Or you can look on how WoW:MoP peak is 66K hours and 10K players, how WoW pre GW2 was on 50K hours and after GW2 but before MoP it was on 25K hours and 6K users.

 Or you could just simplify it and say that xfire has successfully predicted MMO populations. Whether it was WoW, Gw2, or SWTOR.

 

Statistics are fun!

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  User Deleted
10/01/12 4:19:28 AM#93
People posting about populations...I thought I read somewhere that what is shown on the World Selection screen is how full the server is, accounts-wise.
Which would explain why people are seeing servers being shown "full" 24/7.
  paulocafalli

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10/01/12 4:25:05 AM#94

 

Im having fun with GW2 and there's always a lot of ppl around to play with, either PVE, sPVP or WvWvW. That has to be a good signal.

I haven't had annoying bugs at all. PVE may not be the best but is still fun. Dynamic events could be more "Dynamic" really and not so repetitive but some of them are quite fun. sPVP and specially WvWvW are pretty fun IMO. Haven't played tounaments so I can't evaluate that, but overall I found the game pretty good.

 In SWTOR, I dunno other serers but in mine, Anchorhead, I hardly saw ppl around, maybe only in the very begining. Right after the server looked like always quite empty. And that is very frustrating in an MMO. When group finder came out my server was already so dead that it didn't help much. 

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  User Deleted
10/01/12 4:30:18 AM#95

What was that company after,what is casual game? product for people who dont play much?

now if they dont play much,is that a flop or not?

 

  TwoThreeFour

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10/01/12 4:31:38 AM#96
Originally posted by NBlitz
People posting about populations...I thought I read somewhere that what is shown on the World Selection screen is how full the server is, accounts-wise.
Which would explain why people are seeing servers being shown "full" 24/7.

 I suppose one way to check it is by logging in during expected low-activity hours and check if the servers are still "full" during those hours.

  Djildjamesh

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10/01/12 4:33:32 AM#97
Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by Djildjamesh

GW2 was not disigned to be a lasting MMO  (Meaning you buy it, play for 1-5 months - > put away)  < ArenaNet's own words.

THAT'S why they gave it a BTP modell and that's why there isn't any raiding modell in game.

 

Too many of you seem to forget that. GW1 was made with that same ideal (and that wasn't even an MMO).

This game is a huge succes and the numbers show.

Could you show me this quote from anet please?

It´s written in my collector´s edition book - ''making of GW2''

And i'am at my work atm

  TwoThreeFour

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10/01/12 4:34:25 AM#98
Originally posted by ForumPvP

What was that company after,what is casual game? product for people who dont play much?

now if they dont play much,is that a flop or not?

 

Mike O'Brian aims to make Guild Wars 2 the number one MMORPG on the market; i.e. beat WoW.

 

Source: http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngaudiosi/2012/04/23/arenanet-founder-mike-obrien-will-be-satisfied-when-guild-wars-2-is-the-most-successful-mmo-period/

NCSoft may have other goals, and so may other key people within Arenanet, so I suppose it depends on who you ask.

  ShakyMo

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10/01/12 4:36:20 AM#99
Lol at this thread

Err yes its way to early
  Ambros123

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10/01/12 4:36:36 AM#100
Facti is... people came into GW2 expecting WoW mechanics and completely ignorant to the the design of GW2.  You don't go walking into the Panda Express expecting to find a cheeseburger on the menu.
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