Originally posted by GeezerGamer

 

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Originally posted by Eir_S

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Originally posted by Stx11 The game is both a critical and popular success. There was no "mass exodus" for MoP.

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This is the entire point of the thread.  This "mass exodus" simply didn't happen.  Show's over.

My personal opinion is that there was no exodus. That said, can you please show me your evidence to prove that it didn't? Let's see your numbers that allowed you to make the claim "Show's over."

As I recall, ANET expanded their server capacities in the early days to allow for the increased population levels. Although, I may be mistaken in that. Either way, It's a very common practice and all major MMOs constantly adjust the server population thresholds. The reality, is they are just not an accurate measure of the overall populations in terms of numbers but are only good for determining the relative populations against other servers.

Also, Xfire's overall numbers only reflect those players that actually use the software, so it's only a sampling that might be used to determine trends within the game, but the numbers are meaningless for the overall populations.

Well it's been awhile but I agree with everything you said Geezer! :O

The only "evidence" I have to go on is anecdotal - my Server is full of people. There are queues for WvW. LA and (this surprised me a bit TBH) the starting zones had Overflow yesterday.

I know the population is down because (thankfully!!!) I don't have to deal with 30-man Zergs in every zone with Overflow. I know a lot of the "locusts" moved on. But at the same time I still find people in every zone I go to, and always have 3-10 people around me when a DE pops. Honestly I find it a much better gameplay experience now! The game "feels healthy" and I can't say the same for SWTOR way back when.

One of the huge advantages I see in GW2 (and also more and more in RIFT) over WoW is the amount of content a player can participate in whenever they want especially at Max Level. I hope Storm Legion injects some life into a game that deserves it, and honestly I hope Funcom finds a way to sustain and grow TSW as I think it was a game that "deserved better" than it got.

Originally posted by Stx11

Originally posted by Wraithone

"Something positive"?  You might wish to consider the same, rather than wasting your time defending a game that doesn't require it. ^^  GW2 isn't The One True Game(tm), but its not a bad game.  Its combat system isn't really to my taste, but then to each their own. 

I don't like people that do nothing but spread hate and vitrol where it's not needed, wanted, or in any way beneficial.

And isn't it funny that only "haters" ever refer to GW2 as "The One True Game(tm)" or any of that other BS - you're right it's a good game but not for everyone. I and many other fans of the game have said that many, many times in many, many threads.

The game is both a critical and popular success. There was no "mass exodus" for MoP.

Stopping people who aren't even playing the game from spreading lies and misinformation is important, and the same can be said for fans of any game when dealing with Trolls and Haters in their own game's forums.

(besides, it gives me something to do during commercials for NFL pregame!)

 I've been using phrase "The One True Game(tm)" for years and years now.  Long, LONG before GW2 came out.  Its an expression for the never to be realized game that is always just over the horizon. But no game can ever live up to peoples over blown expectations, and projections. Not to mention its own hype.  Which leads to endless disappointment on the part of those seeking The One True Game(tm). 

As for the rest, if you enjoy forum wars, by all means have fun. ^^ 

Originally posted by Eir_S

Originally posted by Stx11

The game is both a critical and popular success. There was no "mass exodus" for MoP.

This is the entire point of the thread.  This "mass exodus" simply didn't happen.  Show's over.

They released population statistics?  Cool, where?  Or is this a "fact" like "GW2 is a the best MMO around"?

Works both ways.

Originally posted by caetftl
They actually lowered the player requirement for server readouts btw... you can check yourself, some servers are legitimately full, others list full when they are ghost towns at 3am in the morning. I imagine they did this to show the game is holding strong.

 Have a link and a source for this claim?

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new stats for saturday. gw2 at 38.5k, wow at 63.5k.  

 

comparing to last saturday (50.5k) it's a drop of 24%. last week the drop was from 65k to 50.5k (22.3%).

Stats aren't for Saturday... Sept 28 was Friday. Also you are looking at hours played not Players.

Looking at those figures WoW is at 9700 while GW2 is at 8700. I think WoW was at 9600 the day before while GW2 was at ~9000. Hardly the large population shift you seem to be hoping for.

On the other hand, GW2 is #3 and #9 on Amazon's Bestsellers (only being beaten by $5 EVE and 40% off Sleeping Dogs) while WoW MoP fell to #6.

The stats I posted are for saturday the 29th. the amazon bestesellers became irrelevant since digital sales became popular.

My mistake on the dates X-Fire just updated for me...

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Amazon would only be relevant if we knew what percentage of total WoW/GW2 sales came from amazon, or the exact total sales (and tracked them to find out the weekly changes). A simple ranking system without further info is worthless.

And what about the very small change in Player Numbers?

if you are comparing the numbers from thursday to friday you are doing it wrong.

Or simply the fact that X-Fire numbers are only valid for X-Fire Users and we know from the X-Fire list that it isn't representative of the "general gaming population" at all?

xfire users are a random selection which is statistically relevant if you can "read the numbers".

I'm sure both MoP and GW2 are picking up lots of new players, virtually none of which are reflected in X-Fire.

why not? are xfire users not allowed to buy games after they release?

I don't know why you have such a burning pathalogical hatred of GW2 but this idea that there was any kind of "mass exodus" from the game to MoP is both silly and wrong.

I don't. I just think it's a bad MMO and doesn't deserve the hype at all. Its place should be among swtor and tera and it's getting there.

Some people have stopped playing and some are playing fewer hours than launch, but then that is true of pretty much any and every game, and from the way things have been trending will be true of MoP very soon as well.

Except WoW peaked 5 years after its release, not 8 days.

 

I know its hard for you and others on this site to accept, but GW2 is a success.  Your opinion that its not a good game is in the minority.  See what you fail to get or refuse to understand is that Tor and Tera were made to be a sub games. Success for them is/was determined by player retention.

Now try to follow me on this, GW2's success is based on box sales. When an expansion comes out, if it sells poorly then you might be able to say "the game is failing", but at the moment you are simple wrong.

I never said GW2 isn't a success. It is a success but also a bad game. Just like D3.

 Just because YOU dont like it does not make it a bad game. You seem to be in the minority with that opinion so it seems GW2 is a good game that is not liked by certain types of gamers. Not a big deal, no game appeals to everyone. But your constant posts here hating on it show you have an attachment to the game. Or you just need an intervention.

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by Stx11

Yet the population is shrinking faster than SWTOR when it was released.

Only in X-Fire. See if you actually played the game you would know that Servers are almost all High/Full, that Lion's Arch and Queensdale still have overflow, that no matter what zone I've played in (and I play in a lot of different Level ranges farming Crafting Mats) there are regularly people around and plenty always show up when a DE pops. WvW still has queues.

I've said it before, but notice what is missing in the GW2 forums compared to SWTOR at this time? NO threads complaining about needing LFG, or how the world is empty, or how cities (Fleet) are dead.

So yeah, maybe the X-Fire Population is shrinking faster than SWTOR, but the General Population isn't.

Sorry that upsets you so much and you don't have anything better to do with your life than "keep on hatin!"

People said the same thing about WoW, RIFT, Swtor, and I said the same thing about TSW (I didn't, but I wanted too...) when the Xfire slide became apparrent. The writting is on the wall. The question is, where is the bottom? 

 

 Since every MMO loses players at some point X-Fire proves nothing. People said WoW was dying because of X-Fire? Then we have our proof that X-Fire is worthless as a game population indicator now dont we?

Originally posted by Mothanos

 

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Originally posted by Rokurgepta

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Originally posted by krakra70

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I never said GW2 isn't a success. It is a success but also a bad game. Just like D3.

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 Just because YOU dont like it does not make it a bad game. You seem to be in the minority with that opinion so it seems GW2 is a good game that is not liked by certain types of gamers. Not a big deal, no game appeals to everyone. But your constant posts here hating on it show you have an attachment to the game. Or you just need an intervention.

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Well for starters, you can't be in the minority if you don't like GW2 if they only had 2 million in sales. 2 million is a minority as far as the world is considered, a minority as far as gaming is considered, and a minority as far as MMOs are considered. So let's not start pretending like the majority of people, gamers or MMO gamers like GW2. The only MMO that could possibly argue that it isn't a minority group of players might be WoW, but if you do the math even that may not have a 50% stake in the MMO market. It is ridiculous whenever someone tries to say that the majority of people like a game. Tastes are so varied in gaming that games don't pull in 50% or more of the gaming playerbase, so let's chuck that silly statement out the window and never use it again.

So if people don't like GW2 they only like sh!t games? Really? If people don't like what you like then by definition what they like is crap? That is an intelligent arguement right there.

I highly dislike GW2. I tried it, I tried every aspect of it, and it is an utterly boring game. Is it because I'm bitter or lonely like you say? No, there are games I am enjoying right now and life in general is pretty good. Am I lonely? Well I am married and have plenty of good relationships with other people so nope. I, like a lot of other people, simply do not like GW2.

There is nothing innovative about GW2, despite the fan cheers to the contrary. They took out 99% of all questing and filled the game with the kill/gather tasks that MMO players complain about in every other game. Ohh another heart area where I kill and gather things, can't wait!! There are a couple of explorable dungeons, but a game like this should have 10x the amount of dungeons. It has a couple hidden jumping puzzles, yippie that gets uninteresting fast. There are scripted events... oh wait it is more killing/gathering in the same boring area you are already killing and gathering.

To many of us well adjusted normal people, the game is a borefest. Nice try with the "anyone who doesn't like it has major issues" approach though.

Originally posted by Mothanos

 

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Originally posted by krakra70 new stats for saturday. gw2 at 38.5k, wow at 63.5k.     comparing to last saturday (50.5k) it's a drop of 24%. last week the drop was from 65k to 50.5k (22.3%).

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Stats aren't for Saturday... Sept 28 was Friday. Also you are looking at hours played not Players. Looking at those figures WoW is at 9700 while GW2 is at 8700. I think WoW was at 9600 the day before while GW2 was at ~9000. Hardly the large population shift you seem to be hoping for. On the other hand, GW2 is #3 and #9 on Amazon's Bestsellers (only being beaten by $5 EVE and 40% off Sleeping Dogs) while WoW MoP fell to #6.

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The stats I posted are for saturday the 29th. the amazon bestesellers became irrelevant since digital sales became popular.

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My mistake on the dates X-Fire just updated for me... But I still have to laugh at how your "irrelevant" stats "matter" but others don't... such a silly bitter muppet.

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What if I told you you are the muppet?  Amazon would only be relevant if we knew what percentage of total WoW/GW2 sales came from amazon, or the exact total sales (and tracked them to find out the weekly changes). A simple ranking system without further info is worthless.

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And what about the very small change in Player Numbers? if you are comparing the numbers from thursday to friday you are doing it wrong. Or simply the fact that X-Fire numbers are only valid for X-Fire Users and we know from the X-Fire list that it isn't representative of the "general gaming population" at all? xfire users are a random selection which is statistically relevant if you can "read the numbers". I'm sure both MoP and GW2 are picking up lots of new players, virtually none of which are reflected in X-Fire. why not? are xfire users not allowed to buy games after they release? I don't know why you have such a burning pathalogical hatred of GW2 but this idea that there was any kind of "mass exodus" from the game to MoP is both silly and wrong. I don't. I just think it's a bad MMO and doesn't deserve the hype at all. Its place should be among swtor and tera and it's getting there. Some people have stopped playing and some are playing fewer hours than launch, but then that is true of pretty much any and every game, and from the way things have been trending will be true of MoP very soon as well. Except WoW peaked 5 years after its release, not 8 days.

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I know its hard for you and others on this site to accept, but GW2 is a success.  Your opinion that its not a good game is in the minority.  See what you fail to get or refuse to understand is that Tor and Tera were made to be a sub games. Success for them is/was determined by player retention. Now try to follow me on this, GW2's success is based on box sales. When an expansion comes out, if it sells poorly then you might be able to say "the game is failing", but at the moment you are simple wrong.

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I never said GW2 isn't a success. It is a success but also a bad game. Just like D3.

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 Just because YOU dont like it does not make it a bad game. You seem to be in the minority with that opinion so it seems GW2 is a good game that is not liked by certain types of gamers. Not a big deal, no game appeals to everyone. But your constant posts here hating on it show you have an attachment to the game. Or you just need an intervention.

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 I think you quoted the wrong guy. I like GW2. :)

monday numbers are in.

WoW 54k

GW2 30.5k (all time low and 20% drop from 38k last monday)

The freefall continues. Where will GW2 stabilize?

Originally posted by krakra70

monday numbers are in.

WoW 54k

GW2 30.5k (all time low and 20% drop from 38k last monday)

The freefall continues. Where will GW2 stabilize?

You do realize that using XFire stats as a representation of the population as a whole is like going to a Tea Party rally to conduct a poll about the President and claiming that represents the country as a whole, right? You're polling a fringe element of the community and mistakenly trying to claim that it's a representation of the whole community.

Originally posted by Volkon
 

You do realize that using XFire stats as a representation of the population as a whole is like going to a Tea Party rally to conduct a poll about the President and claiming that represents the country as a whole, right? You're polling a fringe element of the community and mistakenly trying to claim that it's a representation of the whole community.

It's funny because when GW2 is doing good on xfire, GW2 fans accept xfire statistics as an accurate representation of all the game's players.  As soon as GW2 is shown to have a decline among xfire users, they suddenly say things like you said.

Also, in before someone calls me a WoW fanboy or something.

Originally posted by Volkon

Originally posted by krakra70

monday numbers are in.

WoW 54k

GW2 30.5k (all time low and 20% drop from 38k last monday)

The freefall continues. Where will GW2 stabilize?

 

You do realize that using XFire stats as a representation of the population as a whole is like going to a Tea Party rally to conduct a poll about the President and claiming that represents the country as a whole, right? You're polling a fringe element of the community and mistakenly trying to claim that it's a representation of the whole community.

The xfire community are random people who use xfire to enhance their gaming experience, not to "vote" for the game they are fanboys of. Which means they are a random selection and that makes xfire statistically accurate. (also the fact that Xfire has been never wrong)

Originally posted by krakra70

monday numbers are in.

WoW 54k

GW2 30.5k (all time low and 20% drop from 38k last monday)

The freefall continues. Where will GW2 stabilize?

Player numbers 9600 vs 8000.

Hmmm, GW2 population is really low compared to WoW population..