Honestly i just script block everything so i dont even see that banner, i dont use AdBlock on my PC i have privoxy proxy running on the permimiter that just cuts out all dynamic HTML elements from sites that i dont explicitly trust, and its not that i dont trust MMORPG(well i trust it less than say Google, Microsoft, or any other major network).

I don't trust your AdProvider i had the Firefox/Chrome warning of malicious activity popping up serveral times on MMORPG in the past, and as with 90%+ of all cases it had nothing to do with your site but with the AdProvider you use either because they them selves got hacked and got malicious code embedded into their add stream, or just were not carefull enough in reviewing the supplied add code themsleves.

I dont block Ads hosted on the MMORPG.com domain, i could if i wanted too block that annoying backdrop ad you allways use to promoted games which for me these past few days is Wartunes.

As for paying for add free content, i would not do it for MMORPG.com sorry the actuall content you produce is not of a high enough quality to justify the price, i come here mainly for the forums and i disaprove of any website that charges people to get access to content their users create.

If you want less people AdBlocking the site i suggest taking a look at local ad hosting, use HTML5 for ads instead of more costly flash and risky scripts.

Also for the love of god please implement Content Security Policy(incase your web developer does not know what it is) on your website so i could actualy allow scripts to run on this site.

ok i dont know if this is the cause, but after whitelisting mmorpg.com the other day, today i got my first virus warning while viewing  this site.

Eset nod32 is giving warning and blocking  www.heresy-online.net/daemons/adoptables/2328.gif   ip 69.167.154.100

this has me worried now. Ive NEVER before making those changes to adblock and noscript got  virus warning from viewing this site.  I think Id feel better to add my voice to the    "subscription" crowd instead of open myself up for this stuff.

I wonder why no one has built a compromise between enabling and disabling ads, that is enabling but hiding (display: none;) them. This way you wouldn't have to bear the ads but the site would still get the impression.

Or am I missing something here?

I use AdBlocker, as does everyone I know/everyone at work. However, I do understand the damage it causes. I watch Twitch.tv a good bit and whitelist my favorite streamers, so they can actually make a penny off me. While I really don't like the forums here, I do read the articles and such. 

If a subscription was offered I would consider it. I pay the yearly sub for The Escapist (that is my goto site mostly), so if this site did something similar (and not priced insanely) it could convince me. I'm very conflicted here, as I've had really bad experiences with whitelisted sites but I do want to support your team. I'll whitelist but I do ask that you guys keep monitoring the ads (I cannot stand popups/flashy ones) and maybe consider a yearly subscription.

Originally posted by Kenze

ok i dont know if this is the cause, but after whitelisting mmorpg.com the other day, today i got my first virus warning while viewing  this site.

Eset nod32 is giving warning and blocking  www.heresy-online.net/daemons/adoptables/2328.gif   ip 69.167.154.100

this has me worried now. Ive NEVER before making those changes to adblock and noscript got  virus warning from viewing this site.  I think Id feel better to add my voice to the    "subscription" crowd instead of open myself up for this stuff.

It's simple it has nothing to do with MMORPG.come, or even the site that poped up the warning, www.heresy-online.net could have been just hosted on the same server or network that malicous sites are hosted on, they could've been hacked or could've been infected trough a 3rd party.

This is why people use ScriptBlock, and AdBlock and this is why no matter how much they plea i will never whitelist a website that does not provide CSP's for their content to ensure that unauthorized 3rd party code is not executed by my browser.

Honestly all they need to do is to configure their web server to add a single HTTP header to their page:

X-Content-Security-Policy: default-src 'self'; img-src images.MMORPG.com; media-src media.mmorpg.com mmoprgad.adprovider1.com  mmoprgad.adprovider2.com; script-src script.mmorpg.com

Thats is move all inline scripts to be loaded from the scipt.mmorpg.com subdomain, allow only specific ads from a personalized dedicated and idetnfiable ad stream, and volia no reason for me to not whitelist your site.

No only that but if you implement CSP you can also implement code with in each page that will alert you, and provide reports on attemps to violate the security policy by either uses trying to attack the site, or by 3rd parties trying to attack your uses by implementing unauthorized changes to their content.

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by JayBirdz

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by Icewhite

This site goes a long way towards proving that no one is ever a villain from his own point of view.

From other people's viewpoints...not so much.  Fascinating social commentary.

 

You are far too paranoid.

I've been visting this site for over 6 years, and as you can see from my post count it must be pretty freaking often. 

Not one single infection from an ad on this site, not one in 6 years. And I only have average anti-virus controls in place.

So how much of a guarentee are you looking for?

I'll grant you, visiting porn sites like Tube 8 probably gets you infected, but here is as safe as YouTube or anywhere else.

Take off the tin foil hat and white list the site, it's safe to go back into the water.

And to the folks with all the self righteous indigination over the comment by the Admin, to quote CCP, "Harden the F up!"

 

 

Right, I am paranoid because this site use to have malware on a weekly basis asking people to install it on their pc's. An ActiveX popup specifically. I didn't say from ads. Your post, that post, is nothing but the stupid argument "Because I haven't had any issues it must not be true."   We all know how well that flies in other topics.
 
Let me refresh your memory:
 
" A lot of people probably don't have a problem with ads.  The thing is they rely on flash ads which programs like noscript block for a reason.  They pose a risk.  With that said this sites had some big issues with malware in the past. Not so much related to ads but in general. "
 
 There was a period where they had some malware asking users to install it on a weekly basis, Literally.  It's not my intention to beat a dead horse. The staff know it was an issue and I was merely just pointing out hey this might be why some people are reluctant to turn all their little addons off. I can refresh your memory if I really need to but lets be honest you visit here enough and have been here long enough to know that this happened and was a pretty big issue.
 
So who are you again and what position for MMORPG.com do you hold to give out guarantees?
 
Other sites I visit, not all but some have no issues with their ads and noscript.  Running noscript has nothing to do with paranoia.  It's just another layer of protection(no matter how small).  Matter of fact I don't mind temp allow for MMORPG.com in noscript when I visit. I usually do allow it, like right now.  If I didn't the reply / post window would not show up correctly.  Surprise! Ads still don't work (blank frames). Those other 5 sites being blocked can kiss my ass, I didn't visit them.  I don't know who they are and I don't care.
 
If we are done insulting people for implying that they said something which they didn't say, I refer back to my basic question: Why is this site which is in the business of advertisements apparently rely so heavily on a third party who does the same thing?  Why is it not just another stream of income instead of  "the" stream of income? I get this impression because of the bold statement that the owner / CEO (whatever) made. If it was not that big of deal he wouldn't of called people in his user base pirates. 

Where are the other features that would allow users to help support a site which they visit? 

Where is the community interaction? Other than MikeB posting in news article threads and popping up from time to time in random threads it doesn't exist. How many community events has this site done recently? I see user attempting to do them all the time with very little support from the staff. Bringing in new users helps increase a sites income does it not? I think this is a fair question.

Another fing wall of text all because of a shitpost from someone who usually doesn't make those sorts of posts. I guess it must be my charm....

This is for the Admin/CEO of this site:

I have all my gaming sites whitelisted as I like to see adverts and freebies from new games, etc..

My question is, is it possible to talk with the people doing the advertisement and pressure them into changing from Flash to HTML5 or some other technology like it so we could still see the adverts but be in the most Flash free environment?

I ask this because OSX in particular is very picky with Flash and it overheats much more than a page without it and not to mention the exploits/malware we have other users here talking about.

So is it possible to change the adverts from Flash to something else ?

Originally posted by DOGMA1138

Originally posted by Kenze

ok i dont know if this is the cause, but after whitelisting mmorpg.com the other day, today i got my first virus warning while viewing  this site.

Eset nod32 is giving warning and blocking  www.heresy-online.net/daemons/adoptables/2328.gif   ip 69.167.154.100

this has me worried now. Ive NEVER before making those changes to adblock and noscript got  virus warning from viewing this site.  I think Id feel better to add my voice to the    "subscription" crowd instead of open myself up for this stuff.

It's simple it has nothing to do with MMORPG.come, or even the site that poped up the warning, www.heresy-online.net could have been just hosted on the same server or network that malicous sites are hosted on, they could've been hacked or could've been infected trough a 3rd party.

This is why people use ScriptBlock, and AdBlock and this is why no matter how much they plea i will never whitelist a website that does not provide CSP's for their content to ensure that unauthorized 3rd party code is not executed by my browser.

Honestly all they need to do is to configure their web server to add a single HTTP header to their page:

X-Content-Security-Policy: default-src 'self'; img-src images.MMORPG.com; media-src media.mmorpg.com mmoprgad.adprovider1.com  mmoprgad.adprovider2.com; script-src script.mmorpg.com

Thats is move all inline scripts to be loaded from the scipt.mmorpg.com subdomain, allow only specific ads from a personalized dedicated and idetnfiable ad stream, and volia no reason for me to not whitelist your site.

No only that but if you implement CSP you can also implement code with in each page that will alert you, and provide reports on attemps to violate the security policy by either uses trying to attack the site, or by 3rd parties trying to attack your uses by implementing unauthorized changes to their content.

Matter of fact I forgot all about that popup recently.  What was that anyway?  I guess it's tin- foil hattery for me to look at something as being suspect when a window pops up from www.heresy-online.net and asks for username and password.  Just saw it once the other day when I was looking at the first page of a news article.  More curious than anything.

-removed-

No option to delete posts so ill do it like this..

This thread has convinced me to block....

...A lot of the posters. Congrats! I'm tired of reading your whiny posts about being offended over one simple post. OMGZ he called us pirates, burn him! BURRNNN HIIIMMMMM!!!!

Originally posted by Admin

Originally posted by Worstluck
I realize you guys make money from ads, however, I would not be clicking on said ads regardless so I block them for safety and just to make the page readable.  Now will I permanently have a big red bar accross the top of the page?

It does not matter if you click the ads.  We sell ads based on impressions, not clicks/results.  So even if you don't click the ads you hurt our entire site by running a blocker.  Running adblock on a site that supports itself with advertisements is no different than downloading pirated movies, music or video games.  You are in a sense stealing our content that we work hard to create and pay to an entire team to create.

I am disappoined that you would say that blocking ads is the same as software piracy.  How can you say that people are in sense stealing content when this website is a free website with no subscription fees?  All content is displayed freely on the website if you login or not.  I do have this site whitelisted as I do like the ads due to the fact that every single one is gaming related so thats a positive but that post was uncalled for imo.

Well, I must admit, after reading a lot of the responses to this thread, if I were in charge and money were tight due to the ads being blocked, I'd deny access to the site.  The only thing that would pop up is the big red bar and nothing else.  The ads are annoying at times, but for the most part managable. 

For those that are all high and mighty about the issue, piss off.  You'd be pissed off all to hell and back if someone was doing something that fucked with your income stream.  And I'm fairly damn certain that if they started charging a monthly fee, most of you would bugger off faster than a blood hound on free bean burrito night at the local Taco Bell.

Originally posted by Psychow

Can we all take a moment and have a silent prayer for the "USER DELETED" people who made the ultimate sacrifice in defense of inappropriate Admin hyperbole.

 

May their souls be ever free...

Fixed and I agree 100%. Most here, like me, do not have the fortitude to actually deny ourselves something on the basis of standing up for yourselves. They do. As I posted a few pages ago I can't get mad about the "pirate" bullshit quote because I see nothing wrong with File Sharing. Equating Ad Block with FS is utterly stupid to say the least but when a business loses money they automatically scream "PIRATES AHOY!" as a knee-jerk reaction to it. Because it can't be their fault now can it? It can't be because of an inferior product or one just not useful to the public. Of course not.

Shouldn't even be a discussion, if the site truly feels that advertisement is the way to make revenue, and ad block is preventing that. Then block people that use ad blockers, they will not change their minds about this, because they are paranoid that you will attack their precious PC's.

I use ad block, because ads are annoying for the most part, but I don't find that the case with the ones on this website. However I do find it ridiculous that you are having this discussion with people, they seem to feel entitled to your content without concern of what it costs you.

If they do not want to it's purely up to them, but having a discussion is plain ludicrous.....

Originally posted by Storman1977

Well, I must admit, after reading a lot of the responses to this thread, if I were in charge and money were tight due to the ads being blocked, I'd deny access to the site.  The only thing that would pop up is the big red bar and nothing else.  The ads are annoying at times, but for the most part managable. 

For those that are all high and mighty about the issue, piss off.  You'd be pissed off all to hell and back if someone was doing something that fucked with your income stream.  And I'm fairly damn certain that if they started charging a monthly fee, most of you would bugger off faster than a blood hound on free bean burrito night at the local Taco Bell.

He could do this. It's a valid stance and it's his site after all. It does kind of defeat the purpose of sites like this though. If it's already having issues this probably won't do anything but make things worse by closing yourself off from the consumer base. What does this site offer that others don't?

I think the idea of adding other features such a a dontations for ad free experiance. Referral links on the overview page for game companies who would support such a feature, ect.  Is that not basically what these ads do anyways?

Originally posted by Alphamojo

Shouldn't even be a discussion, if the site truly feels that advertisement is the way to make revenue, and ad block is preventing that. Then block people that use ad blockers, they will not change their minds about this, because they are paranoid that you will attack their precious PC's. Thats resonable. I would not have a problem with that. As far as paranoia about my PC safety, you are 100% correct. I've invested too much money in it to let just anything get into it!

I use ad block, because ads are annoying for the most part, but I don't find that the case with the ones on this website. However I do find it ridiculous that you are having this discussion with people, they seem to feel entitled to your content without concern of what it costs you. Free site is free. If they want to make money get a real job. If they want to be a free service to gamers then continue on. Charge if ya want to. Just don't be a dick about it.

If they do not want to it's purely up to them, but having a discussion is plain ludicrous.....

Again I've turned my Ad Block off on this site until it gets silly. But I can't condone what Admin said. Too many sites similar to this one that doesn't call us silly names to go to.

And yes I don't give a fuck if they "make money" or not. Not my concern on a FREE SITE.

I usually stay as FAR away from these discussions as much as possible but I will put my hat in on this one.

I COMPLETELY understand this site needs money from somewhere, ads seem the logical choice, however the big red bar of doom and the way it's displayed is not the best way of communicating the fact, in fact it's insulting to the end user.

The fact that it is red implies we have done something massively wrong in the first place, which we have not. You yourselves have even admitted the reasons why we have ad blockers in the first place is not to deny anyone revenue but to protect us from the malicious scripts in ads, those ads appear on other sites, and yes by admittance once here, not by any fault of your own I understand that.

The way the 'warning' is displayed could have been forgiven as you want it to be noticed, it's been noticed that is for sure, however what cannot be forgiven is the accusation from the CEO of the site of all people in that keeping the ad blockers on results of the users being 'pirates' towards this site's content.

This is totally in bad form and WILL result in more harm then good now as at least those 'pirates' would point out this site's content to other people therefore bringing more traffic and revenue to the site (yes assuming the traffic isn't also using ad blockers), now that one comment will not only turn users away but also encourage them to inform others of such 'comment' suggesting to others not to come to this site due to how the CEO views his user base...

All that said going into this next generation of gaming MMORPG.com could use this time to reinvent itself, work with the user base to find out what the core issues are with the site in general, find out why users wish to block the ads from the site, the flashing ads, flash based and 'intrusive' ads have already been mentioned, perhaps more static banners would be acceptable, yes it could be less revenue per ad however more users will be willing to whitelist the site if they felt comfortable with the ad level and type.

A bit off topic but could help, one thing that has always drawn me away from the site is the forum's 'sea of hate' from rampant fanboisum and trolling, perhaps a heavier stance and clamp down on that may encourage more traffic to return if the 'image' of this site wasn't so muddy.

I know a redesign of the site is on the way, so please put all this into consideration, mainly the rethink of the banner itself to be more 'friendly' to the ad block users requesting our support and not telling us we are in the wrong for doing so.

MMORPG.com has been a major hub for the genre for years, however for many this 'event' has been the straw that broke the camel's back, and it's going to take a LOT of time/reworking to 'fix' that, like I said perhaps now is the best time to change things for the better.

Originally posted by bartoni33

Originally posted by Psychow

Can we all take a moment and have a silent prayer for the "USER DELETED" people who made the ultimate sacrifice in defense of inappropriate Admin hyperbole.

 

May their souls be ever free...

Fixed and I agree 100%. Most here, like me, do not have the fortitude to actually deny ourselves something on the basis of standing up for yourselves. They do. As I posted a few pages ago I can't get mad about the "pirate" bullshit quote because I see nothing wrong with File Sharing. Equating Ad Block with FS is utterly stupid to say the least but when a business loses money they automatically scream "PIRATES AHOY!" as a knee-jerk reaction to it. Because it can't be their fault now can it? It can't be because of an inferior product or one just not useful to the public. Of course not.

Argh! (that's pirate for: good post)