Originally posted by Psychow

Originally posted by Cephus404

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Psychow

I think it's amusing that a simple thing like "Hey guys, can you turn off ad block here, it'll help us out" turns into a maga debate. 

 

Is it too much to ask of the community to just say "ok, no problem". Jeez... /rolls eyes

I think it was the ill-judged post on the first page by Admin accusing people of piracy that helped things along.

Not to mention the annoying penalty banner they impose on anyone who doesn't follow their "suggestion".  Yes, I saw your request.  Yes I saw your banner.  I am exercising my right to decline your request.  I have no obligation to do so.  So when do I get to turn off the annoying banner?

 

I'm guessing when you comply with their simple request.

 

As for the CEO's statement, is it really that hard for people to look past and forgive when someone misspeaks? I mean seriously, how can some of these people even function in society if they are going to hang on every word and jump on anyone who uses a poor hyperbole? (note: I similarly dislike it when the media jumps all over some celebrity for some Tweet or comment he said in front of a reporter...it just seems mind boggling stupid to me)

 

 

im sorry but no. if i walk in to mcdonalds and the cashier looks at me and says im a cheap ass because i buy their fast food instead of making my own. i stop buying food from that shop.

also i dont use adblocker to cause issues for mmorpg. i like many others do not see the ads as a wise income choice for a site, but as i have posted a few times ideas i think they could look at that does not out right require me to risk my personal pcs safety for their personal monetary gains. 

i have been on this site for several long years. i have see the "oops we boobooed" ads from years ago. so no, calling me a pirate for using adblocker pissed me off. i see no reason to turn off my blocker without some sort of gurentee that doing so will not get my pc infected with malware from this site. (as i block facebook and youtube and a few browser games ad's as well)

the pirate comment many viewed as insulting as it came from the ceo of mmorpg. its not some snotnose "noob" so i wouldnt call it a misspeak or a booboo.

Originally posted by Ichmen

Originally posted by Psychow

Originally posted by Cephus404

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Psychow

I think it's amusing that a simple thing like "Hey guys, can you turn off ad block here, it'll help us out" turns into a maga debate. 

 

Is it too much to ask of the community to just say "ok, no problem". Jeez... /rolls eyes

I think it was the ill-judged post on the first page by Admin accusing people of piracy that helped things along.

Not to mention the annoying penalty banner they impose on anyone who doesn't follow their "suggestion".  Yes, I saw your request.  Yes I saw your banner.  I am exercising my right to decline your request.  I have no obligation to do so.  So when do I get to turn off the annoying banner?

 

I'm guessing when you comply with their simple request.

 

As for the CEO's statement, is it really that hard for people to look past and forgive when someone misspeaks? I mean seriously, how can some of these people even function in society if they are going to hang on every word and jump on anyone who uses a poor hyperbole? (note: I similarly dislike it when the media jumps all over some celebrity for some Tweet or comment he said in front of a reporter...it just seems mind boggling stupid to me)

 

 

im sorry but no. if i walk in to mcdonalds and the cashier looks at me and says im a cheap ass because i buy their fast food instead of making my own. i stop buying food from that shop.

also i dont use adblocker to cause issues for mmorpg. i like many others do not see the ads as a wise income choice for a site, but as i have posted a few times ideas i think they could look at that does not out right require me to risk my personal pcs safety for their personal monetary gains. 

i have been on this site for several long years. i have see the "oops we boobooed" ads from years ago. so no, calling me a pirate for using adblocker pissed me off. i see no reason to turn off my blocker without some sort of gurentee that doing so will not get my pc infected with malware from this site. (as i block facebook and youtube and a few browser games ad's as well)

 

the pirate comment many viewed as insulting as it came from the ceo of mmorpg. its not some snotnose "noob" so i wouldnt call it a misspeak or a booboo.

The fact it came from the CEO puts into question his leadership in my view. Call us theives because we use a FREE site, but block ads, is not just a boo boo. Really?! How else do you feel about your audience?

Originally posted by Worstluck

Originally posted by Admin

Originally posted by Worstluck
I realize you guys make money from ads, however, I would not be clicking on said ads regardless so I block them for safety and just to make the page readable.  Now will I permanently have a big red bar accross the top of the page?

It does not matter if you click the ads.  We sell ads based on impressions, not clicks/results.  So even if you don't click the ads you hurt our entire site by running a blocker.  Running adblock on a site that supports itself with advertisements is no different than downloading pirated movies, music or video games.  You are in a sense stealing our content that we work hard to create and pay to an entire team to create.

 

Well...I am not a pirate and I don't appreciate being called one by an admin.

Same felt that was a VERY inacurate and uncalled for comparison and comment. 

Oh and another thing you think your revenue is hurting now, wait until the mass exodus of users if you continue with this outrageous and abhorent behaviour.

It is my understanding ad revenue is valued on site traffic, so chase your users off and see where that leaves you.

Turn off Adblock? never going to happen on my pc, want me to pay to use this site? not going to happen.  As to the comment of being a pirate, I have downloaded and stolen nothing from this website.  In fact a lot of information that this site provides is taken from other sources outside of this website.

Your comment was very arrogant, and the attitude from the owners is extremely bullish

Originally posted by biggarfoot
Turn off Adblock? never going to happen on my pc, want me to pay to use this site? not going to happen.  As to the comment of being a pirate, I have downloaded and stolen nothing from this website.  In fact a lot of information that this site provides is taken from other sources outside of this website.

LOL good point I see them steal posts from other resources all the time.

My 2 cents - I don't mind the ads nor would I block them. Nothing is free in life, and the people who maintain this website need to feed thier families. Blocking ads and still participating in the discussions on this website is lame.

Either unblock the ads or find a new forum to discuss MMOs, blockers should be ashamed of themselves, but they won't, pirates ruin it all for everyone else and laugh about it.

Originally posted by Psychow

I think it's amusing that a simple thing like "Hey guys, can you turn off ad block here, it'll help us out" turns into a maga debate. 

 

Is it too much to ask of the community to just say "ok, no problem". Jeez... /rolls eyes

 +1. It's like people think mmorpg.com is stealing from them or something.

omg I'm so offended, a site I visit everyday and enjoy wants to stay afloat...

Originally posted by Admin

... Running adblock on a site that supports itself with advertisements is no different than downloading pirated movies, music or video games.  You are in a sense stealing our content that we work hard to create and pay to an entire team to create.

Today I unsubscribe from your newsletter and stop visitng this site.

Originally posted by DaNipper

Originally posted by Admin

... Running adblock on a site that supports itself with advertisements is no different than downloading pirated movies, music or video games.  You are in a sense stealing our content that we work hard to create and pay to an entire team to create.

Today I unsubscribe from your newsletter and stop visitng this site.

LOL, wow. Tell me how it is no different than piracy? Would you prefer that everyone blocked the ads and the website shut down?

I might quit visiting this site, not because of the ads, but because of all of the whiny crybabies that have no idea how the real world works. This whole thread is a complete embarrassment and it makes me ashamed to be a part of the MMO community.

Originally posted by SuperDonk

Originally posted by DaNipper

Originally posted by Admin

... Running adblock on a site that supports itself with advertisements is no different than downloading pirated movies, music or video games.  You are in a sense stealing our content that we work hard to create and pay to an entire team to create.

Today I unsubscribe from your newsletter and stop visitng this site.

LOL, wow. Tell me how it is no different than piracy? Would you prefer that everyone blocked the ads and the website shut down?

 

I might quit visiting this site, not because of the ads, but because of all of the whiny crybabies that have no idea how the real world works. This whole thread is a complete embarrassment and it makes me ashamed to be a part of the MMO community.

Would seems more like you have no idea how the real world works. If you scoff at your customer base, in any field whatsoever, there will be a backlash that can lead to having to shutdown the company.

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Originally posted by SuperDonk

Originally posted by DaNipper

Originally posted by Admin

... Running adblock on a site that supports itself with advertisements is no different than downloading pirated movies, music or video games.  You are in a sense stealing our content that we work hard to create and pay to an entire team to create.

Today I unsubscribe from your newsletter and stop visitng this site.

LOL, wow. Tell me how it is no different than piracy? Would you prefer that everyone blocked the ads and the website shut down?

 

I might quit visiting this site, not because of the ads, but because of all of the whiny crybabies that have no idea how the real world works. This whole thread is a complete embarrassment and it makes me ashamed to be a part of the MMO community.

You need to admit everyone involved in this topic has acted pretty poorly. What the admin said was severely inappropriate and it was a insult to everyone who visits this site. I side myself the people taking offense being called a pirate. It was something that shouldn't have been said and the fact he hasn't issued a apology speaks volumes. That's not to say that the community has acted maturely also. There have been quite a lot of drama queens in this topic saying they will leave the site over this. If this is even a factor in you leaving the site you didn't add anything to this community anyway.

I whitelist sites if they ask and they provide good content.

MMORPG provides good content (I don't agree with all of their reviews but that's expected) so I don't see an issue with whitelisting them.

Originally posted by Admin

 

It does not matter if you click the ads.  We sell ads based on impressions, not clicks/results.  So even if you don't click the ads you hurt our entire site by running a blocker.  Running adblock on a site that supports itself with advertisements is no different than downloading pirated movies, music or video games.  You are in a sense stealing our content that we work hard to create and pay to an entire team to create.

This is a horrible comparison.  They are not the same at all. 

As stated by others, ads are about annoyance and security.  Nothing ever has to happen on your end for you to end up inadvertantly serving us malware/injection through a third party provider.

Personally, I run Adblock+ and Noscript with some extra filters.  I already made it so I'm not forced to see certain things you added for when people are not logged in.  I could easily do so for whatever you add in the future with a few seconds of element inspection and an added filter to catch and collapse it so I never see it.  I could do that for the background ads you use, but I do not.  I don't find them obtrusive as they are static and not garish.  It's all a fine line really.  I do not envy your situation and feel for your need to generate income.

However.  I am appalled by your statement quoted above about theft.  To that end, I will not be reading or posting to this site ever again.  I will not be participating in what you liken to theft.  There are way better ways to go about this.

Feel free to delete my account.  Good luck with your site.

Originally posted by paroxysm

Originally posted by Admin

 

It does not matter if you click the ads.  We sell ads based on impressions, not clicks/results.  So even if you don't click the ads you hurt our entire site by running a blocker.  Running adblock on a site that supports itself with advertisements is no different than downloading pirated movies, music or video games.  You are in a sense stealing our content that we work hard to create and pay to an entire team to create.

This is a horrible comparison.  They are not the same at all. 

As stated by others, ads are about annoyance and security.  Nothing ever has to happen on your end for you to end up inadvertantly serving us malware/injection through a third party provider.

Personally, I run Adblock+ and Noscript with some extra filters.  I already made it so I'm not forced to see certain things you added for when people are not logged in.  I could easily do so for whatever you add in the future with a few seconds of element inspection and an added filter to catch and collapse it so I never see it.  I could do that for the background ads you use, but I do not.  I don't find them obtrusive as they are static and not garish.  It's all a fine line really.  I do not envy your situation and feel for your need to generate income.

However.  I am appalled by your statement quoted above about theft.  To that end, I will not be reading or posting to this site ever again.  I will not be participating in what you liken to theft.  There are way better ways to go about this.

Feel free to delete my account.  Good luck with your site.

This pretty much sums up the 'entitlement' issue that we see everyday in the world.

Originally posted by jpnz

Originally posted by paroxysm

Originally posted by Admin

 

It does not matter if you click the ads.  We sell ads based on impressions, not clicks/results.  So even if you don't click the ads you hurt our entire site by running a blocker.  Running adblock on a site that supports itself with advertisements is no different than downloading pirated movies, music or video games.  You are in a sense stealing our content that we work hard to create and pay to an entire team to create.

This is a horrible comparison.  They are not the same at all. 

As stated by others, ads are about annoyance and security.  Nothing ever has to happen on your end for you to end up inadvertantly serving us malware/injection through a third party provider.

Personally, I run Adblock+ and Noscript with some extra filters.  I already made it so I'm not forced to see certain things you added for when people are not logged in.  I could easily do so for whatever you add in the future with a few seconds of element inspection and an added filter to catch and collapse it so I never see it.  I could do that for the background ads you use, but I do not.  I don't find them obtrusive as they are static and not garish.  It's all a fine line really.  I do not envy your situation and feel for your need to generate income.

However.  I am appalled by your statement quoted above about theft.  To that end, I will not be reading or posting to this site ever again.  I will not be participating in what you liken to theft.  There are way better ways to go about this.

Feel free to delete my account.  Good luck with your site.

This pretty much sums up the 'entitlement' issue that we see everyday in the world.

It has nothing to do with entitlement and everything with respect and good manners. Which the Admin showed not.

Originally posted by Zetsuei

Originally posted by SuperDonk

Originally posted by DaNipper

Originally posted by Admin

... Running adblock on a site that supports itself with advertisements is no different than downloading pirated movies, music or video games.  You are in a sense stealing our content that we work hard to create and pay to an entire team to create.

Today I unsubscribe from your newsletter and stop visitng this site.

LOL, wow. Tell me how it is no different than piracy? Would you prefer that everyone blocked the ads and the website shut down?

 

I might quit visiting this site, not because of the ads, but because of all of the whiny crybabies that have no idea how the real world works. This whole thread is a complete embarrassment and it makes me ashamed to be a part of the MMO community.

You need to admit everyone involved in this topic has acted pretty poorly. What the admin said was severely inappropriate and it was a insult to everyone who visits this site. I side myself the people taking offense being called a pirate. It was something that shouldn't have been said and the fact he hasn't issued a apology speaks volumes. That's not to say that the community has acted maturely also. There have been quite a lot of drama queens in this topic saying they will leave the site over this. If this is even a factor in you leaving the site you didn't add anything to this community anyway.

No not everyone...
 
 A lot of people probably don't have a problem with ads.  The thing is they rely on flash ads which programs like noscript block for a reason.  They pose a risk.  With that said this sites had some big issues with malware in the past. Not so much related to ads but in general. Honestly, a few hours ago I wrote a really long post and just canceled it. Came off kind of rant'ish. I'm not a very good writer either. I will try again as well as try and keep it short.
 
Is MMORPG.com not in the advertisement business? Is this not their site? Why is their main source of income a 3rd party advertiser if they are advertisers themselves? Middle-man for the middle-man anyone? Why is it not just another source of income and it doesn't really matter if those flash ads get blocked or not.
 
Where is the donation feature for users who would like an ad free experience. I am not one of them but many have already stated they would participate in such a feature.   As long as it doesn't become something that posters can hold over other posters heads, where is the issue with this?  
 
Where are the referral links for companies who have such programs or would be interested? Put the links up on the overview page. Doesn't have to be anything flashy.  If someone clicks it and it takes them to the main game site to make a purchase and they do,  MMORPG.com gets a small fee.  
 
Companies ignoring this site because it does not have a large enough as well active user base? How much talent or good posters has this site cultivated from the current user base in an attempt to draw more people in?  Did the Admin even talk to that guy who did that 3D MMORPG.com graphic awhile back? I know some mod somewhere knows exactly what I am talking about.  The guy said that he basically just did it in his spare time.  It was really, really good.  No use for someone like that to help draw new visitors in?  Maybe short animations or something?
 
What about someone like Quizzical?  He breaks down fairly technical stuff into very easy to consume fashion.  He doesn't show a bias based on brand name.  He goes out of his way to help others with builds so that they know exactly what they are buying and why.  The staff here know that he is knowledgeable.  It's kind of freaking hard to miss. He creates well written posts. Let him do hardware news or something and give him a front page slot. See if he can help get discussion flowing. For that matter they can't see if any hardware vendors might be interested in a trial run for a couple of review articles done by him? With a referral link kind of deal.  As long as they don't mind that he can speak his mind freely, what would the problem with that be? Some company out there has to be interested. 
 
I do admit that I assume that he would be interested.  Sorry Quizzical if I am out of place saying so.

Matter of fact in general why is most of the staff so scarce on this site.  I see a lot of moderation but very little activity from the admin and staff within the community itself. I do admit MikeB pops his head in and out of threads from time to time but not very often. Amana seems like a pretty fair mod but never really says much. Is he or she not allowed to post on their official accounts?

 What about that Steam community group or is that just a clique type thing. I joined it brieftly just to see what all if anything special was happening events or whatever and chat was dead. I didn't really see any event posts other than someone posting about trading games.. I mean really?

Those are just  a few instances that came to mind immediately.  There are a decent amount good quality posters and  talent that has stood out in the past.  I do have a bad memory however.  Quizzical just stands out.  So why not give the people that stand out a spot to promote themselves if they want to as well as help promote the site. If it starts drawing in more users wouldn't that help give this site  more opportunities. I forgot though it's all about posting pages of tits and ass photos when the staff  goes to a gaming convention. This site lists 100+ mmo's and the Admin can't figure out how to monetize that? Seems more like missed opportunity to me.   
 
"We're pirates because third party ads from a third party site for a third party site don't work on some peoples browser."  I think him saying it was a calculated move to try and put people on a guilt trip using the "P" word.  Not saying I have all the answers by any stretch.  But I don't need to be an expert to know that they aren't coming anywhere close to the potential that this site has and that's without driving away it's user base or insulting them.
 

Ahh f... it. tired and it's longer than I wanted and probably a bit rant'ish though not my intention.. :S Anway pretty much done posting in this topic.  It's all been said over and over.. I just think something is really wrong with the way this site opperates if those flash ads is this sites main source of income and not just another form of income.