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  fixif

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Joined: 5/21/06
Posts: 187

9/28/12 3:01:21 PM#41

Do all of you realize that 1 portal come up with the "news" out of some analysts opinion and the rest of portals just c/p it?

 

As I wrote before, wait for official numbers.

  gravesworn

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9/28/12 3:06:49 PM#42
While I no longer play wow and have no desire to ever play it again. The only way wow will ever die is if project titan wills it.
  User Deleted
9/28/12 4:05:02 PM#43

It's just an estimate by some suits who can't really grasp the emotional aspect of people buying games... It's not like buying a new TV or a car, this is an artform we're talking about, after all.

I've seen analysts fall on their face too many times to bat an eye at this anyway.

 

The truth is, the actual numbers could be *much* higher, or inded, *much* lower - we just don't know!

 

Personally, I don't care, I got my money's worth from the starting area of the Pandaren alone - that's how good it is (in my eyes). Had to play on an alternate low pop server, seeing how there's 58(!) full servers in the EU atm and my main one with a 3k queue lockout...

  Jackdog

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9/28/12 4:19:12 PM#44
Originally posted by expresso
Originally posted by Jackdog
Originally posted by expresso
These are NOT official numbers from blizzard, if VentureBeat are a legit company with access to retail info then all this demonstrates is the death of PC retail, They have zero insight into the digital sales. 

did you bother reading the article? Those numbers were from this company, which is one of the worlds largest investment banks

http://www.lazard.com/

 

here try again

Sales of the World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria expansion have been disappointing, according to investment bank Lazard Capital Markets. The fourth expansion for Blizzard Entertainment’s massively popular online game has sold between 600,000 and 700,000 copies at retail since its launch earlier this week, Lazard estimates.

Read more at http://venturebeat.com/2012/09/27/world-of-warcraft-mists-of-pandaria-performance-disappointing/#SyRsZkIcDTVs2l5v.99

 

now feel free to attack the source all you want but I serioly doubt that eitehr the site reporting this or the source have any sort of axe to grind

 

The source is not official, link it as much as you like it will NEVER be official, we don't know how they collected, supplied or indeed verified this data (if at all)- I might as well go ask Dave down the pub.

They even got Cata sales figued wrong.

Let's wait for Blizzards to release official numbers... assuming they do.

as long as Dave down at the pub is a top shelf investment banker with a Ivy league MBA  he would probably tell you the same thing as that article

Face it, WoW had a remarkable run but Blizzard at it's peak was the Blizzard of Diablo II and vanilla WoW. While it is no Funcom it's  spiraling down the bowl and unless they do some major changes wil be there soon

 

I won't hold my breath on anything official, game companies seldom make press releases saying their game is not selling nearly as well as they thought it would

 

I miss DAoC

  adis5005

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Joined: 4/16/10
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9/28/12 4:27:11 PM#45
Just wait for the quarterly report, they'll release the numbers.
  Mothanos

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Posts: 1871

9/28/12 4:32:36 PM#46

If MoP was a BIG succes we would already know it, the numbers would be there for the world to see it.

Its clearly MoP dint sell good enough for the net to know the 24 hour sales.

There is a major chnase MoP is already a failure sale wise.


I remember hearing TBC sales within 24 hours, it sold millions and millions of copy's and blizzard was very eager to bring out those numbers REAL fast.

Now not so much...

  Ramonski7

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"A wise man has something to say, but a fool just has to say something."

9/28/12 4:39:26 PM#47
So where do you count the 1.2 million players that ponied up for a WoW annual agreement so they could digitally download Diablo 3? Do you think they might have digitally downloaded MoP as well? If not thar wouldn't make much sense. So if you take current box numbers +gaming 1.2 million annuals (that are very likely to upgrade) you have roughly 1.8 million in the first 24 hours. Not a bad start for a game damn near a decade old.


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  niceguy3978

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Joined: 6/14/06
Posts: 2011

9/28/12 4:40:40 PM#48
Originally posted by Mothanos

If MoP was a BIG succes we would already know it, the numbers would be there for the world to see it.

Its clearly MoP dint sell good enough for the net to know the 24 hour sales.

There is a major chnase MoP is already a failure sale wise.


I remember hearing TBC sales within 24 hours, it sold millions and millions of copy's and blizzard was very eager to bring out those numbers REAL fast.

Now not so much...

Well, for Cata which was the best selling of all of their expansions, they released the sales data a week after release, so I expect it to be similar for this one (not the best selling expansion part).

  Halandir

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Joined: 8/02/08
Posts: 748

9/28/12 4:47:28 PM#49

Sorry OP: You made the mistake of writing "numbers" instead of your actual topic in your first paragraph: Derailment ensues...

Old age, top heavy pop and elitism is kiling WoW. I subbed for a few months around WotLK release and again for a month (played a few hours for 5-6 days) about 4 months into Cataclysm.

Not especially thin skinned, but saw NOTHING communitywise that would keep me ingame... Quite the opposite. (And that is on 6-7 different EU servers).

Total newcomers, seemingly needs to be masochists or total idiots to actually stay with this... Much friendlier communities ARE to be found  in other games. 

 

We dont need casuals in our games!!! Errm... Well we DO need casuals to fund and populate our games - But the games should be all about "hardcore" because: We dont need casuals in our games!!!
(repeat ad infinitum)

  Nevulus

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Posts: 1286

9/28/12 4:49:17 PM#50

Fact: Cataclysm sold more than 3.3 million total at release, announced 6 days after launch.

Let's see if Blizzard is quick to say how many MoP expacs sold in 2 more days. If they stay silent, you know it bombed, if they announce it big, you know that digital sales exceeded expectations, furthermore that the market has dynamically moved over to digital distribution over retail sales as a whole. Right now as it stands it is going to take a LOT of digital sales to make up for the 60% drop in box sales.

 

  rygard49

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9/28/12 4:55:15 PM#51
Originally posted by Hrimnir
Originally posted by rygard49
Originally posted by david361107

I base it off this link, basicly no MMO ever in history has had digital sales be primary, ever, so if this is wrong it would be the first time in history this has happened. Cat sold like 3.3 Million it's first day, 4.7 after a month, MoP won't come close to that. After 2011 there was an increase in digital sales of around 57% from the base of digital sales which is much lower than box. Based off the low box sales and lack luster response on the expansion I'll bet my girlfriend they didn't sell more digital copies, plus she's a pain sometimes so even if i'm wrong i win :)

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.389561-Mists-of-Pandaria-Opening-Sales-Stumble

 

Peace

Lascer

You're likely wrong. You can't just take MMOs into account, you should be looking at all of the most recent gaming titles. Diablo III sold more digital copies than boxed if I recall correctly.

That being said, the game is likely still going to see a steady decline as it succumbs to aging systems and graphics.

The point is, like the article says, even if you give the benefit of the doubt on digital sales, lets say they are 2x of what retail is, which is being very generous considering for cataclysm digital sales were only 57% of the sales, that puts them at around 2 million sales.  Whereas cataclysm did 3.3 million in the first day.  Its now been 3 or 4 days.

That is BAD news for blizzard.  VERY bad.

Blizzard made their first official announcement about Cataclysm sales on 12/13/10. Cataclysm was released 12/7/10. That's a difference of 6 days.

So what evidence are you using to support your claim that no released numbers within 4 days is VERY BAD news?

Edit: I miswrote the dates - corrected. Also, here's the link.

  halflife25

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Joined: 9/13/12
Posts: 787

9/28/12 4:58:02 PM#52

Yes WOW is dying slowly. At this rate it will be dead in 9 years. Unless someone invents mind control device and commands all 9 million players to stop playing. Chances are it will die a very very slow death.

 

  Sovrath

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9/28/12 5:13:19 PM#53
Originally posted by david361107

 

So the question is, is Blizzard killiing WOW or is it other MMO's?

 

Maybe it's just that WoW is an old game, people have come and gone and it will "sunset" just like EQ did.

Remember, there was a time when EQ was THE game. Mention of it was everywhere, on the news, on game sites, if you weren't playing EQ then you weren't play mmo's. Or some such stuff.

And now, eq is still going but it is nowhere the powerhouse that it once was.

  RedMachine72

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Joined: 5/18/10
Posts: 79

9/29/12 12:19:51 AM#54
Originally posted by Jackdog
Originally posted by expresso
These are NOT official numbers from blizzard, if VentureBeat are a legit company with access to retail info then all this demonstrates is the death of PC retail, They have zero insight into the digital sales. 

did you bother reading the article? Those numbers were from this company, which is one of the worlds largest investment banks

http://www.lazard.com/

 

here try again

Sales of the World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria expansion have been disappointing, according to investment bank Lazard Capital Markets. The fourth expansion for Blizzard Entertainment’s massively popular online game has sold between 600,000 and 700,000 copies at retail since its launch earlier this week, Lazard estimates.

Read more at http://venturebeat.com/2012/09/27/world-of-warcraft-mists-of-pandaria-performance-disappointing/#SyRsZkIcDTVs2l5v.99

 

now feel free to attack the source all you want but I serioly doubt that eitehr the site reporting this or the source have any sort of axe to grind.

I believe also that the companies do not have a axe to grind with Acti/Blizz, but as stated none of the sites can take into account the retail vs. digital sales as they DO NOT HAVE ACCESS to the digital sales numbers. The only numbers that count are the ones that come from Blizz. Not any investment firms, or gaming sites, or any other source. Not Joe from down the street that follows all the sales on amazon, or from even this site as well. The only ones that have the actual numbers including retail and digital is Blizz.

On a personal note i belive that the numbers for digital are gonna be much higher as there IS a trend for more digital sales occuring nowadays than retail.

 

  tyrannis

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9/29/12 12:28:38 AM#55
So you base one of your criteria for wow's death on it not being able to do what any game in history has every done. Congrats. Your entire argument is now suspect.

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  User Deleted
9/29/12 12:37:09 AM#56
Originally posted by rygard49
Originally posted by david361107
Originally posted by shaddy33
Originally posted by david361107

Just seeing some numbers come out with box set sales of 650K and digital sales lower than that on MoP. Sub at 12 million then 11 million, almost under 10 million before MoP and im sure a little up from that for now. Is this Blizzard killing itself? or should it not try to release during the same time as AAA MMO's like GW2? Is WOW getting so outdated that it can't compete for new subs anymore? We all know that people come back when expansions hit but it seems they are lossing subs to all the new more updated games that are coming out. To me I can only see the subs going down down and down more from here.

So the question is, is Blizzard killiing WOW or is it other MMO's?

 

Peace

Lascer

Please link where you read that the digital sales were lower than the box sales please.

I base it off this link, basicly no MMO ever in history has had digital sales be primary, ever, so if this is wrong it would be the first time in history this has happened. Cat sold like 3.3 Million it's first day, 4.7 after a month, MoP won't come close to that. After 2011 there was an increase in digital sales of around 57% from the base of digital sales which is much lower than box. Based off the low box sales and lack luster response on the expansion I'll bet my girlfriend they didn't sell more digital copies, plus she's a pain sometimes so even if i'm wrong i win :)

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.389561-Mists-of-Pandaria-Opening-Sales-Stumble

 

Peace

Lascer

You're likely wrong. You can't just take MMOs into account, you should be looking at all of the most recent gaming titles. Diablo III sold more digital copies than boxed if I recall correctly.

That being said, the game is likely still going to see a steady decline as it succumbs to aging systems and graphics.

yes diablo 3 sold because of its hype but it failed completly . i dont see diablo 3 even selling 1 million copies of its expansion pack whenever it comes out . 

  f0dell54

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Sanity....
It's for the weak.

9/29/12 12:37:27 AM#57
Originally posted by halflife25

Yes WOW is dying slowly. At this rate it will be dead in 9 years. Unless someone invents mind control device and commands all 9 million players to stop playing. Chances are it will die a very very slow death.

 

This.

People are making a huge deal out of this. I just want to say that the vast majority of people posting on here are retarded.

  pgqsilver

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9/29/12 1:36:48 AM#58
It's just pent up frustration because of what WoW did to the genre.  When we see it start to slip some take celebration.  I agree it will be a long time before it falls if ever, but it's a small sign that people might want something with more substance.  Overall, I hope the genre evolves into something greater.
  User Deleted
9/29/12 1:47:50 AM#59
Originally posted by expresso
Originally posted by Jackdog
Originally posted by expresso
These are NOT official numbers from blizzard, if VentureBeat are a legit company with access to retail info then all this demonstrates is the death of PC retail, They have zero insight into the digital sales. 

did you bother reading the article? Those numbers were from this company, which is one of the worlds largest investment banks

http://www.lazard.com/

 

here try again

Sales of the World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria expansion have been disappointing, according to investment bank Lazard Capital Markets. The fourth expansion for Blizzard Entertainment’s massively popular online game has sold between 600,000 and 700,000 copies at retail since its launch earlier this week, Lazard estimates.

Read more at http://venturebeat.com/2012/09/27/world-of-warcraft-mists-of-pandaria-performance-disappointing/#SyRsZkIcDTVs2l5v.99

 

now feel free to attack the source all you want but I serioly doubt that eitehr the site reporting this or the source have any sort of axe to grind

 

The source is not official, link it as much as you like it will NEVER be official, we don't know how they collected, supplied or indeed verified this data (if at all)- I might as well go ask Dave down the pub.

They even got Cata sales figued wrong.

Let's wait for Blizzards to release official numbers... assuming they do.

THey wont because theres no way they could with its dismal declining sales numbers.

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9/29/12 2:11:55 AM#60
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