It's my personal opinion.

The game is shallow and fells like a browser game without a meaning. I tried hard to give the game a chance but I found Warhammer Online much more attractive. Crafting is soulless, combat at first dynamic fells ridicules with it's dumbed down controls. It's not a FPS that requires skill and it's not an mmorpg that require brain - it's a random modern browser gaming style game. Silly, easy, meaningless, lacking any signs of originality - perfect for the majority of our  modern society. MMOs are what we make them and with many people now days who simply can not play complex games that take time and require the player to make their own decisions rather than follow the thempark style  gamestyle we won't see anything else anytime soon.

Originally posted by xDrac

Well I feel like GW2 is just pretty..... "casual"? I mean its a great freaking game, no doubt. But I just don't feel enough "progression"? I just don't feel like the shit I do matters AT ALL. 

I just, I don't know. The game is great, but no more. It kind of feels like there's just so much you can achieve and that just doesn't seem to be enough for me. And I agree with a lot of the points the OP made.

I can see your point.. like many games people see progression as differn't things.. for me collecting cool looking gear getting to mix and match builds and just get better at combat is all the "progression" i need to enjoy a MMO.. others need constant stat gear progression forever to feel like the game has progression.. just differn't game styles for differn't mindsets.

Originally posted by eggy08

Originally posted by SteeJanz

Originally posted by grimal

Originally posted by kluu

Originally posted by SteeJanz

Yet another post completely hampered by misinformation. 

what the hell?

I laughed out loud to your response.

The game definitely has starch defenders, I will say that.

Maybe I should apologize for not being specific enough.  It may not have worked to get my point across.  I guess I give people too much credit for what they claim to know about.   I posted the tips because the complaint about no trinity is basically based around the dungeons and how choatic they are and that it is false to say that GW2 lacks the trinity.  The truth is, that it is incorrect.  I can say for certain that if you don't heal, do dps, or control (Trinity) you will not only not be able to complete a dungeon, you will not be able to get past the first mob.  You must do all three in GW2 just like in other trinity based games.  GW2 is a trinity based games.    The truth is that people are confusing the "Trinity" with the "Holy Trinity" or hard-set roles.  If you are going to make an arguement about a game being bad, then it should be based in fact.  You should be able to get your message across on factual information and not hope everyone "knows what you mean." 

I thought that my points did a good job in introducing people to the fact that people are stuggling with dungeons because they are not applying the core rules they apply to the holy trinity.  For example, people expect the healers not to heal in tank gear.  People expect the healer to bring heal skills.  People put together trinity based groups in Holy Trinity runs but expect to walk into GW2 dungeons (a trinity based game,  heal, dps, control) without any rules.  It is false and ArenaNet never said it would be possible.   Players follow rules when the run the holy trinity yet expect their to be none for a soft trinity game?  Why?  As I made in my points, if you did the same thing in a Holy trinity based game, you would get the same results. 

The "The fanboy defenders won't let you talk about criticisms of their game" is most over used response on this site and itshow cases the fact that people have nothing to provide to the conversation.  I don't care if you play GW2 or not.  i would prefer you play what ever honks your hooter.   I was merely replying to misinformation.

What the OP should have said is that hey doenst like games without the hard-set roles of the holy trinity.   To say that GW2 lacks heals, DPS, and control (tank), is wrong.  

Now if either or you have some disagreements to some of the points or don't understand what I was trying to say, just ask and we can discuss. 

Lol, first point: so basically if you don't do any of these 3 things... your standing there doing nothing then? Not much else to do besides those 3 things, so I can imagine why you can't get through the first mobs of the dungeon.

I don't know if you can really call it a "heal, dps and control" trinity. dps and control fit, healing does not. Support I'd argue for, but even that is more or less not entirely necessary. Saying that a class is a support because it brings buffs isn't entirely true. Saying a person is a control since he has an interrupt/stun/knockdown in his bar that he uses occassionally, isn't entirely a control class. People are basically a mixup of all 3 things, or at least can be, not set to that specific role. If you only do one, then your not playing your class effectively.

And I have run many instances (including explorer) where these roles had no real bearing. I have never said nor has anyone really taken upon themselves to play only one specific role. Sometimes we have no roles at all and can still take down the dungeon. Control is a hard to master role for most. And saying that someone MUST be that role, is like saying that someone must always take the damage. Well of course people are going to take damage, but that doesn't mean that they are a control class. They aren't taking upon themselves to tank the boss, they are just trying to keep themselves alive. It's not a role, unless you specifically roll only tanking and cc abilities.

GW2 is a very soft trinity, but there are not specific roles that certain classes must abide to. Its bogus to say that a class must follow a certain role and that the group must abide to these roles exclussively. That will make the dungeon seem worse than it is. You don't play a specific role, you play them all. Thats what GW2 gave to you. If you want to force roles on people, then it's going to take the game back to every other MMO, where individuality is shunned and the only thing your going to be asking for all day is for "a control warrior or guardian". If everyone can properly play every "role" rather than only doing one, your group will work out 10x better than the latter.

I absolutely still stand by what I said.  All three of them are required.  I never said that the each of those must be provided by an individual.  On the contrary, what people struggle with is the fact that everyone has to actively participate in all three to be successful (enjoyable dungeon runs).  But I can absolutely say that if heals are not used, you won't make it through the dungeon.  I can absolutely say that if you don't dps, you won't make it through a dungeon.  I can absolutely say that if you don't find a way to control the boss, you may not make it through the dungeon.  If a group has all three and everybody actively participates in facilitating each one, then dungeons go much smoother.  The problem is that people don't do that and then complain.  The advantage to the Holy Trinity is that people understand what their role is and what is expected of them.  It is harder to determine that in GW2, especially when it happens on the fly.    It's a bit of a stretch on my part say that you wouldn't make it through the first mob but, it certainly wouldn't go as smoothly.  :)

Originally posted by SteeJanz

Originally posted by eggy08

Originally posted by SteeJanz

Originally posted by grimal

Originally posted by kluu

Originally posted by SteeJanz

Yet another post completely hampered by misinformation. 

what the hell?

I laughed out loud to your response.

The game definitely has starch defenders, I will say that.

Maybe I should apologize for not being specific enough.  It may not have worked to get my point across.  I guess I give people too much credit for what they claim to know about.   I posted the tips because the complaint about no trinity is basically based around the dungeons and how choatic they are and that it is false to say that GW2 lacks the trinity.  The truth is, that it is incorrect.  I can say for certain that if you don't heal, do dps, or control (Trinity) you will not only not be able to complete a dungeon, you will not be able to get past the first mob.  You must do all three in GW2 just like in other trinity based games.  GW2 is a trinity based games.    The truth is that people are confusing the "Trinity" with the "Holy Trinity" or hard-set roles.  If you are going to make an arguement about a game being bad, then it should be based in fact.  You should be able to get your message across on factual information and not hope everyone "knows what you mean." 

I thought that my points did a good job in introducing people to the fact that people are stuggling with dungeons because they are not applying the core rules they apply to the holy trinity.  For example, people expect the healers not to heal in tank gear.  People expect the healer to bring heal skills.  People put together trinity based groups in Holy Trinity runs but expect to walk into GW2 dungeons (a trinity based game,  heal, dps, control) without any rules.  It is false and ArenaNet never said it would be possible.   Players follow rules when the run the holy trinity yet expect their to be none for a soft trinity game?  Why?  As I made in my points, if you did the same thing in a Holy trinity based game, you would get the same results. 

The "The fanboy defenders won't let you talk about criticisms of their game" is most over used response on this site and itshow cases the fact that people have nothing to provide to the conversation.  I don't care if you play GW2 or not.  i would prefer you play what ever honks your hooter.   I was merely replying to misinformation.

What the OP should have said is that hey doenst like games without the hard-set roles of the holy trinity.   To say that GW2 lacks heals, DPS, and control (tank), is wrong.  

Now if either or you have some disagreements to some of the points or don't understand what I was trying to say, just ask and we can discuss. 

Lol, first point: so basically if you don't do any of these 3 things... your standing there doing nothing then? Not much else to do besides those 3 things, so I can imagine why you can't get through the first mobs of the dungeon.

I don't know if you can really call it a "heal, dps and control" trinity. dps and control fit, healing does not. Support I'd argue for, but even that is more or less not entirely necessary. Saying that a class is a support because it brings buffs isn't entirely true. Saying a person is a control since he has an interrupt/stun/knockdown in his bar that he uses occassionally, isn't entirely a control class. People are basically a mixup of all 3 things, or at least can be, not set to that specific role. If you only do one, then your not playing your class effectively.

And I have run many instances (including explorer) where these roles had no real bearing. I have never said nor has anyone really taken upon themselves to play only one specific role. Sometimes we have no roles at all and can still take down the dungeon. Control is a hard to master role for most. And saying that someone MUST be that role, is like saying that someone must always take the damage. Well of course people are going to take damage, but that doesn't mean that they are a control class. They aren't taking upon themselves to tank the boss, they are just trying to keep themselves alive. It's not a role, unless you specifically roll only tanking and cc abilities.

GW2 is a very soft trinity, but there are not specific roles that certain classes must abide to. Its bogus to say that a class must follow a certain role and that the group must abide to these roles exclussively. That will make the dungeon seem worse than it is. You don't play a specific role, you play them all. Thats what GW2 gave to you. If you want to force roles on people, then it's going to take the game back to every other MMO, where individuality is shunned and the only thing your going to be asking for all day is for "a control warrior or guardian". If everyone can properly play every "role" rather than only doing one, your group will work out 10x better than the latter.

I absolutely still stand by what I said.  All three of them are required.  I never said that the each of those must be provided by an individual.  On the contrary, what people struggle with is the fact that everyone has to actively participate in all three to be successful (enjoyable dungeon runs).  But I can absolutely say that if heals are not used, you won't make it through the dungeon.  I can absolutely say that if you don't dps, you won't make it through a dungeon.  I can absolutely say that if you don't find a way to control the boss, you may not make it through the dungeon.  If a group has all three and everybody actively participates in facilitating each one, then dungeons go much smoother.  The problem is that people don't do that and then complain.  The advantage to the Holy Trinity is that people understand what their role is and what is expected of them.  It is harder to determine that in GW2, especially when it happens on the fly.    It's a bit of a stretch on my part say that you wouldn't make it through the first mob but, it certainly wouldn't go as smoothly.  :)

 

I still vote support over heals. Heals is far too vague, mainly since most classes can only really heal themselves. But, removing conditions, buffs and some occassional heals for the team would fit in a support role over heals. And I have yet to really see any class that I would say fits a healer in any of the runs I have experienced. So I can honestly say that heals is not necessary in a group, but support can be.

You are playing it wrong! 

But seriously, gear progression is ingrained into our nerdy DNA. Wasn't it cool when Bilbo discovered Sting in a Troll cave or The Ring in the escape from the Goblins by Golems lake. What about when Gandalf returned with White robes or Aragon forged the Kings sword. Those were all gear upgrades! And memorable ones at that. We like this sort of thing. We really do.

That, and social connections are what keep people playing these types of games longterm.

GW2 is sorely lacking in these two areas IMO. 

Originally posted by SteeJanz

Originally posted by eggy08

 

Lol, first point: so basically if you don't do any of these 3 things... your standing there doing nothing then? Not much else to do besides those 3 things, so I can imagine why you can't get through the first mobs of the dungeon.

I don't know if you can really call it a "heal, dps and control" trinity. dps and control fit, healing does not. Support I'd argue for, but even that is more or less not entirely necessary. Saying that a class is a support because it brings buffs isn't entirely true. Saying a person is a control since he has an interrupt/stun/knockdown in his bar that he uses occassionally, isn't entirely a control class. People are basically a mixup of all 3 things, or at least can be, not set to that specific role. If you only do one, then your not playing your class effectively.

And I have run many instances (including explorer) where these roles had no real bearing. I have never said nor has anyone really taken upon themselves to play only one specific role. Sometimes we have no roles at all and can still take down the dungeon. Control is a hard to master role for most. And saying that someone MUST be that role, is like saying that someone must always take the damage. Well of course people are going to take damage, but that doesn't mean that they are a control class. They aren't taking upon themselves to tank the boss, they are just trying to keep themselves alive. It's not a role, unless you specifically roll only tanking and cc abilities.

GW2 is a very soft trinity, but there are not specific roles that certain classes must abide to. Its bogus to say that a class must follow a certain role and that the group must abide to these roles exclussively. That will make the dungeon seem worse than it is. You don't play a specific role, you play them all. Thats what GW2 gave to you. If you want to force roles on people, then it's going to take the game back to every other MMO, where individuality is shunned and the only thing your going to be asking for all day is for "a control warrior or guardian". If everyone can properly play every "role" rather than only doing one, your group will work out 10x better than the latter.

I absolutely still stand by what I said.  All three of them are required.  I never said that the each of those must be provided by an individual.  On the contrary, what people struggle with is the fact that everyone has to actively participate in all three to be successful (enjoyable dungeon runs).  But I can absolutely say that if heals are not used, you won't make it through the dungeon.  I can absolutely say that if you don't dps, you won't make it through a dungeon.  I can absolutely say that if you don't find a way to control the boss, you may not make it through the dungeon.  If a group has all three and everybody actively participates in facilitating each one, then dungeons go much smoother.  The problem is that people don't do that and then complain.  The advantage to the Holy Trinity is that people understand what their role is and what is expected of them.  It is harder to determine that in GW2, especially when it happens on the fly.    It's a bit of a stretch on my part say that you wouldn't make it through the first mob but, it certainly wouldn't go as smoothly.  :)

 

more i play more game seems to rely on more of a dual role system as opposed to trinity.. if you can run good control and dps you can get by in most encounters I have been though unless you count your self heal as "support".. support obviously helps and makes things much easier but hasn't seemed to been a required component as much as dps and control are essential in most group conflicts I have experienced.. I haven't experienced a good portion of the dungeons though so support may be more necessary in others.

Originally posted by drakaena

You are playing it wrong! 

But seriously, gear progression is ingrained into our nerdy DNA. Wasn't it cool when Bilbo discovered Sting in a Troll cave or The Ring in the escape from the Goblins by Golems lake. What about when Gandalf returned with White robes or Aragon forged the Kings sword. Those were all gear upgrades! And memorable ones at that. We like this sort of thing. We really do.

That, and social connections are what keep people playing these types of games longterm.

GW2 is sorely lacking in these two areas IMO. 

It has gear progression, just not tiered gear progression like most MMOs.

The only lack in social interaction is the lack of effort that people put into it themselves.

GW2 is a good game, that should have been great, at least imho.

As it is, I agree with the disconnect with the world that others have written about. I am enjoying it immensely, but I am enjoying it not as an MMORPG, but basically as a LAN game I am playing with my wife and two RL friends. We have little need to interact with anyone else, we four man dungeons, and have a great time. But it does not feel like I am part of a world, or even having an effect on the world at all. All the hype about DEs involving your character in the world and being able to change the world is just the vaporware promises of a marketing department. Sure, they are better than PQs, but they are not significantly different in concept or execution, they are just more involved.

And WvWvW is fun, and I like to play for just fun, but it will not hold me the way DAOC did, not by a long shot.

Anet tried some new things, and for that I respect them. But in the end, I think the lack of trinity is not--at least anecdotally--looked upon as being well executed.  Everything feels to me like it almost succeded, but fell short.

I also agree that if this had been a P2P game, it would have suffered at least an equal fate to SWTOR. As it is, they can count it a success because they got their box sales. But if they do not get their shit together, it could be bad for them long term.

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by SteeJanz

Originally posted by eggy08

 

Lol, first point: so basically if you don't do any of these 3 things... your standing there doing nothing then? Not much else to do besides those 3 things, so I can imagine why you can't get through the first mobs of the dungeon.

I don't know if you can really call it a "heal, dps and control" trinity. dps and control fit, healing does not. Support I'd argue for, but even that is more or less not entirely necessary. Saying that a class is a support because it brings buffs isn't entirely true. Saying a person is a control since he has an interrupt/stun/knockdown in his bar that he uses occassionally, isn't entirely a control class. People are basically a mixup of all 3 things, or at least can be, not set to that specific role. If you only do one, then your not playing your class effectively.

And I have run many instances (including explorer) where these roles had no real bearing. I have never said nor has anyone really taken upon themselves to play only one specific role. Sometimes we have no roles at all and can still take down the dungeon. Control is a hard to master role for most. And saying that someone MUST be that role, is like saying that someone must always take the damage. Well of course people are going to take damage, but that doesn't mean that they are a control class. They aren't taking upon themselves to tank the boss, they are just trying to keep themselves alive. It's not a role, unless you specifically roll only tanking and cc abilities.

GW2 is a very soft trinity, but there are not specific roles that certain classes must abide to. Its bogus to say that a class must follow a certain role and that the group must abide to these roles exclussively. That will make the dungeon seem worse than it is. You don't play a specific role, you play them all. Thats what GW2 gave to you. If you want to force roles on people, then it's going to take the game back to every other MMO, where individuality is shunned and the only thing your going to be asking for all day is for "a control warrior or guardian". If everyone can properly play every "role" rather than only doing one, your group will work out 10x better than the latter.

I absolutely still stand by what I said.  All three of them are required.  I never said that the each of those must be provided by an individual.  On the contrary, what people struggle with is the fact that everyone has to actively participate in all three to be successful (enjoyable dungeon runs).  But I can absolutely say that if heals are not used, you won't make it through the dungeon.  I can absolutely say that if you don't dps, you won't make it through a dungeon.  I can absolutely say that if you don't find a way to control the boss, you may not make it through the dungeon.  If a group has all three and everybody actively participates in facilitating each one, then dungeons go much smoother.  The problem is that people don't do that and then complain.  The advantage to the Holy Trinity is that people understand what their role is and what is expected of them.  It is harder to determine that in GW2, especially when it happens on the fly.    It's a bit of a stretch on my part say that you wouldn't make it through the first mob but, it certainly wouldn't go as smoothly.  :)

 

more i play more game seems to rely on more of a dual role system as opposed to trinity.. if you can run good control and dps you can get by in most encounters I have been though unless you count your self heal as "support".. support obviously helps and makes things much easier but hasn't seemed to been a required component as much as dps and control are essential in most group conflicts I have experienced.. I haven't experienced a good portion of the dungeons though so support may be more necessary in others.

I have experienced most of the dungeons on explorable mode. For the most part its a zerg. And the need for combo fields is GREATLY exaggerated. A lot of times we didn't bother.

Originally posted by eggy08

Originally posted by drakaena

You are playing it wrong! 

But seriously, gear progression is ingrained into our nerdy DNA. Wasn't it cool when Bilbo discovered Sting in a Troll cave or The Ring in the escape from the Goblins by Golems lake. What about when Gandalf returned with White robes or Aragon forged the Kings sword. Those were all gear upgrades! And memorable ones at that. We like this sort of thing. We really do.

That, and social connections are what keep people playing these types of games longterm.

GW2 is sorely lacking in these two areas IMO. 

It has gear progression, just not tiered gear progression like most MMOs.

The only lack in social interaction is the lack of effort that people put into it themselves.

I think that is partly true, but that said, the mechanics of the game do not require interaction. I have made the occasional effort to communicate with other players, and never gotten a response. I feel like I am playing with NPCs.

Originally posted by Hrimnir

 

 In this case, the replacement is far FAR FAR FAR FAR stupider. 

Other things.  I'm actually a fairly intelligent guy, 

Seems Legit.

In reply to the repair costs, the simple answer is to not die often, it's a pretty easy game in all honesty and it's not hard to press your binded dodge key.

Most of your points OP I disagree on, and call them player faults rather than game faults. Each to thier own.

Also if you think Storm Legions going to save you, think again, Rifts already dying, if not dead, the Dev's do good work bringing out content as much as they do, but everything is too late.

Originally posted by Naral

It has gear progression, just not tiered gear progression like most MMOs.

The only lack in social interaction is the lack of effort that people put into it themselves.

I think that is partly true, but that said, the mechanics of the game do not require interaction. I have made the occasional effort to communicate with other players, and never gotten a response. I feel like I am playing with NPCs.

just find it odd when people say this in my about 170 hours /age so far I have yet to not get some sort of response if i said something to someone directly. Not saying I'm getting long lasting meaningfull bonds but people are almost always polite and have some sort of reply to whatever I say.

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Naral

It has gear progression, just not tiered gear progression like most MMOs.

The only lack in social interaction is the lack of effort that people put into it themselves.

I think that is partly true, but that said, the mechanics of the game do not require interaction. I have made the occasional effort to communicate with other players, and never gotten a response. I feel like I am playing with NPCs.

just find it odd when people say this in my about 170 hours /age so far I have yet to not get some sort of response if i said something to someone. Not saying I'm getting long lasting meaningfull bonds but people are almost always polite and have some sort of reply to whatever I say.

It's not that we can't find people to chat with, it's theres not point. A month in and everything is on farm. No longer need vent to do the dance after seeing it enough times.

Has there ever been this complaint about an MMO before? I can't think of another example. Bad communities, yes. but no community? 

I still don't feel it's an MMO and being compared to one is part of the issue.

But how many  people have complained about this very issue, but it's still everyone else? Come on, man. 

Originally posted by Naral

GW2 is a good game, that should have been great, at least imho.

As it is, I agree with the disconnect with the world that others have written about. I am enjoying it immensely, but I am enjoying it not as an MMORPG, but basically as a LAN game I am playing with my wife and two RL friends. We have little need to interact with anyone else, we four man dungeons, and have a great time. But it does not feel like I am part of a world, or even having an effect on the world at all. All the hype about DEs involving your character in the world and being able to change the world is just the vaporware promises of a marketing department. Sure, they are better than PQs, but they are not significantly different in concept or execution, they are just more involved.

And WvWvW is fun, and I like to play for just fun, but it will not hold me the way DAOC did, not by a long shot.

Anet tried some new things, and for that I respect them. But in the end, I think the lack of trinity is not--at least anecdotally--looked upon as being well executed.  Everything feels to me like it almost succeded, but fell short.

I also agree that if this had been a P2P game, it would have suffered at least an equal fate to SWTOR. As it is, they can count it a success because they got their box sales. But if they do not get their shit together, it could be bad for them long term.

i think most of the players feel almost the same. but its B2P so they continue to play, even less every day.

you are right about what would happen if it was a P2P game. the game would be already sinked to bottom.

Originally posted by drakaena

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Naral

It has gear progression, just not tiered gear progression like most MMOs.

The only lack in social interaction is the lack of effort that people put into it themselves.

I think that is partly true, but that said, the mechanics of the game do not require interaction. I have made the occasional effort to communicate with other players, and never gotten a response. I feel like I am playing with NPCs.

just find it odd when people say this in my about 170 hours /age so far I have yet to not get some sort of response if i said something to someone. Not saying I'm getting long lasting meaningfull bonds but people are almost always polite and have some sort of reply to whatever I say.

It's not that we can't find people to chat with, it's theres not point. A month in and everything is on farm. No longer need vent to do the dance after seeing it enough times.

Has there ever been this complaint about an MMO before? I can't think of another example. Bad communities, yes. but no community? 

I still don't feel it's an MMO and being compared to one is part of the issue.

But how many  people have complained about this very issue, but it's still everyone else? Come on, man. 

It isn't an issue, people like to make things up or completely blow things out of proportion just to get their point across.

Originally posted by Hrimnir

Other things.  I'm actually a fairly intelligent guy, and i have mucho experience in MMO's as i've been playing them extensively for the last 13 years.  I've never had an MMO that had so much random stupid shit that you pretty much can't figure out without extensive googling.  Mystic Forge recipes for weapons, etc?  Ha.  I'm guessing the only reason people even had a slight idea what to do with it is because of GW1 players?  Anyways.

GW1 has nothing remotely similar to the mystic forge. Figuring out recipes in it (from what I can tell) is just trial and error, which is something a lot of people spent time with during the betas.

Originally posted by drakaena

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Naral

It has gear progression, just not tiered gear progression like most MMOs.

The only lack in social interaction is the lack of effort that people put into it themselves.

I think that is partly true, but that said, the mechanics of the game do not require interaction. I have made the occasional effort to communicate with other players, and never gotten a response. I feel like I am playing with NPCs.

just find it odd when people say this in my about 170 hours /age so far I have yet to not get some sort of response if i said something to someone. Not saying I'm getting long lasting meaningfull bonds but people are almost always polite and have some sort of reply to whatever I say.

It's not that we can't find people to chat with, it's theres not point. A month in and everything is on farm. No longer need vent to do the dance after seeing it enough times.

Has there ever been this complaint about an MMO before? I can't think of another example. Bad communities, yes. but no community? 

I still don't feel it's an MMO and being compared to one is part of the issue.

But how many  people have complained about this very issue, but it's still everyone else? Come on, man. 

umm yea seen this complaint in every themepark MMO released since wow... doesn't mean it's true for any of them

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Naral

It has gear progression, just not tiered gear progression like most MMOs.

The only lack in social interaction is the lack of effort that people put into it themselves.

I think that is partly true, but that said, the mechanics of the game do not require interaction. I have made the occasional effort to communicate with other players, and never gotten a response. I feel like I am playing with NPCs.

just find it odd when people say this in my about 170 hours /age so far I have yet to not get some sort of response if i said something to someone directly. Not saying I'm getting long lasting meaningfull bonds but people are almost always polite and have some sort of reply to whatever I say.

All lies, I never respond to you.

Originally posted by eggy08

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Naral

It has gear progression, just not tiered gear progression like most MMOs.

The only lack in social interaction is the lack of effort that people put into it themselves.

I think that is partly true, but that said, the mechanics of the game do not require interaction. I have made the occasional effort to communicate with other players, and never gotten a response. I feel like I am playing with NPCs.

just find it odd when people say this in my about 170 hours /age so far I have yet to not get some sort of response if i said something to someone directly. Not saying I'm getting long lasting meaningfull bonds but people are almost always polite and have some sort of reply to whatever I say.

All lies, I never respond to you.

haha such a liar! spent almost half those 170 hours talking to people:) that's actually probably pretty accurate honestly