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  Ironman2000

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9/25/12 12:02:33 AM#61

Payed for D3, played through once, started to play through on the next difficulty, didn't get out of the first act on the second play through.  It felt nothing like D1 or D2 and didn't have the same "Heart and Soul" of those 2.  Can't bring myself to log into it again.  Bought 4 copies of TL2 for what 1 copy of D3 cost...gave 3 to my friends/family to play.  I like that I can play solo (offline), play LAN with my son on our network OR play online with friends in other places WITH the same characters I use in my solo games.  TL2 definantly has the feel of D1 and D2, which I played over and over many times.  So for me, D3 was a waste of time and TL2 was the best value in a game that i've made in a LONG LONG time and to crazynanny you don't have to play TL2 with strangers online, you can set your games to friends only.  Thats what we do and none of us play with anyone else (don't need to).  Also you can have 6 people in your groups in TL2 so don't tell me Runic didn't think about group play, thats just....CRAZY...nanny...

...edited to add comments to crazynanny

 
  rickastillo

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9/25/12 2:25:02 AM#62
Am i allowed To like 'em both? But yeah if I have to choose wich one I did have more fun, I say tl2.. plus, I can play it offline and lan game like the good old days :) waiting for mods, like textures upgrades (like in tl1) new classes, armors, pets, mobs, maps etc :)
  User Deleted
9/25/12 2:33:50 AM#63

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  Torvaldr

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9/25/12 2:35:52 AM#64
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  uncletoma

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9/25/12 2:41:04 AM#65
Playing SP demo and it's realy, realy funny. Like it, i'd buy it asap.
  User Deleted
9/25/12 2:50:00 AM#66
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by ForumPvP

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Okiedokes,thanks muchos,was wondering what is that.

To topic,i tried D3 and I couldnt get that Diablo feeling at all ,it just was not there,can Torchlight 2 do it? no idea since i havent tried but i tried TL1 long time ago and it couldnt deliver but if TL2 can:Demon of action RPG´s hear  me! ForumPvP invites you to my home,infinite time.

I know theres Demo(n) available but just right now i dont have time to check it out.

  ivaylo1981

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9/25/12 3:56:25 AM#67
Agree , Great article!
  Z3R01

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9/25/12 4:49:18 AM#68

Torchlight 2 is what a ARPG is supposed to be. 

It has a great loot system, build diversity with skill trees & stat distribution, Fully randomized over world & dungeon maps. All things that are at the very core of all ARPG except Diablo 3...

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  User Deleted
9/25/12 4:49:58 AM#69
 

After playing TL2 in offline mode, I feel that the AH and RMAH had a huge and negative impact on D3 (for me). The loot drops (and hence, a lot of the fun of an ARPG) are so much better than in D3. The game play is more colorful and engaging (to me). And the randomization is much more varied in TL2. 

 

I don't even have to go into the issues of server stability, exploits, any of that. I can still play with my friends.   TL2 has soul. It has the soul of the original Diablo developers and it shows in many ways.

 

However, the story is not one of those ways. Fortunately, that is the least important aspect of an ARPG, for me.

 
 
 
  dystra99

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9/25/12 5:41:49 AM#70
Originally posted by Nitre

noone makes better cutszenes that blizzard.

Wow, way to judge a game's merits.

  Cypeq

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9/25/12 8:18:29 AM#71

People get a grip Diablo 3 and Torchlight 2 both  are great hack'n'slashes.

D3 design is for addictive competetive play unfortunately it's also pay to win and failed a bit at addictive part. It's not a secret that big part of d3 is it's poor loot system that makes you grind forever and never find better stuff than on rmah.

Torchlight 2 is build on different principle it's to deliver just fun of hacking thru monsters and beating the bosses which can be rly hard with a group on elitte. Yet it's not about braging whos got better what just for the fun of doing stuff.

Both games are desing like coop experiance it's allways better with friends than with strangers and thoes who are looking for massive hubs where they can show of new polished armour picked wrong genre to start with.

So... in diablo 3 you won't have hackers in your public games but at hefty price. No user generated content, no new classes or skilss, no offline and lan games. If i'm playing it's solo or with people I know. Booting cheater out of the game isn't a problem and I haven't seen one yet.

For one major factor in torchlight 2 game that beats blizzards creation is working and rewarding loot / quest system.

As for skill trees in both games it depends on difficulty both in d3 and torchlight on first two levels you can be suicidal rambo with random skill selection and win. But on max difficulty level for your class there will be 1 or 2 builds that allow you to prevail and win.

Talking about competitive maniacs torchlight isn't for you d3 is p2w so go to WoW where you can fill this hole in your life with some eRespect where some 14 yo kid will envy your max tier armor set or arena ranking.

Overall Torchlight 2 may be rough around the edges if you compare the first playthrou Diablo 3 obviously wins but difficulty of d3 is questionable where in T2 you can pick it from the start. You can't aviod the fact that D3 was developed 2-3 years longer with double sized development team and unimaginable budget. You also can't avoid the fact that Torchlight 2 delivers everywhere where giant blizzard refused or failed to.

I think for everyone who stoped playing D3 and/or was a bit dissapointed by it Torchlight 2 is the must have and a fun one.

  spawn12345

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9/25/12 8:46:12 AM#72

Its not hard to make a better arpg than D3 because D3 is the worst there is and ever will be.

And I was the biggest diablo fan.

The devs for D3 should get fired and never work in the gaming industry ever again

  TheCrow2k

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9/25/12 8:49:39 AM#73
TL2 is a lot of fun & that is paramount to me.
  Mupf

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9/25/12 9:20:47 AM#74

To me, TL2 mastered one of the great arts in good games: make it fun with as little restriction as possible.

They succeeded in that, and to me this is the most important part. I am not really into the graphics, although I get accustomed to them, I have my concerns about open tl-net. But I can't see those things affecting me in the negative because I am too busy having fun!

D3 was for me the first game where I kept my feet still and said "Wait one week before buying it" (this thought is thanks to swtor). So I waited one week and never bought it due to what I read about it. So no comparison possible.

  User Deleted
9/25/12 9:53:03 AM#75
Originally posted by Torvaldr
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  BrodieBroos

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9/25/12 2:30:34 PM#76
Blizzard is a corporate monster now. They stopped caring about their games a long time ago. In my opinion, D3 was never really released, because that abortion they threw together calling D3 is not really D3. Never really got into TL though. Just can't get past the cartoon graphics. Not that they are bad, just don't prefer them.
  User Deleted
9/26/12 5:57:05 AM#77
Originally posted by BrodieBroos
Blizzard is a corporate monster now. They stopped caring about their games a long time ago. In my opinion, D3 was never really released, because that abortion they threw together calling D3 is not really D3. Never really got into TL though. Just can't get past the cartoon graphics. Not that they are bad, just don't prefer them.

I felt that way at first, but I found they start to grow and you and I like them a lot now. It probably took about 10 levels for me to readjust after playing D3. Not only that, but the randomization is great. My highest character is level 20, and my others are between 8-15. Each play so far has been very different. That is a major difference that makes me like TL2 a lot.

  MurlockDance

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9/28/12 12:42:42 PM#78

I agree with OP overall, except that I think that TL2 is highly replayable and can be enjoyed for hundreds of hours, much like D1 and D2. That to me is the huge difference between TL2 and D3.

What I love the most is the increased randomization of loot, areas, mobs you encounter, plus there is a lot of creativity in the game. The vault in the desert area was so cool! The djinni quests are really neat too. I love the phasebeast challenges.

D3 really did not have that much randomization of either the maps or the loot and that is why I find it dull. Sure, you can get a different event from time to time in any given area, but that is the extent of it.

TL2 is also a bigger gameworld, with lots more exploration. In D3, Act 1 is by far the biggest act, Act 2 is quite a bit smaller, and Act 3 and 4 are really small. I felt a little rattled about how little time it took to complete Normal in D3. Also, the difficulty between the various D3 acts is not smooth, whereas in TL2 it is seamless from area to area.

D3 does not have challenge style dungeons in it, and very little in the way of creative dungeon areas, whereas both TL1 and TL2 had that (TL2 has more). Classes in TL2 are also more varied, more customizable, look cooler imo, and there are many ways to play a viable build. D3 offers apparent choice, but seems to demand certain specs for getting successfully through to the end of Inferno.

Sure, TL2 might not be an AAA production, but I would rather play something like this than an AAA production that is not as fun.

Playing MUDs and MMOs since 1994.

  just1opinion

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9/28/12 12:48:10 PM#79
Originally posted by ShakyMo
On runics whiteboard during design meetings
1 make a fun game

On blizzards whiteboard during design meetings
1 maximize the moneytization of players with the real money auction house
2 squeeze fun in where you can

No suprises which game Is the most fun

 

This ^^^.

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  Silok

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9/28/12 12:51:48 PM#80
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