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  Draron

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9/28/12 7:40:49 AM#41
Originally posted by Pelaaja

I really hope you realize those pics of your characters don't look that spectacular to those who have no emotional tie to them (aka. everyone else but you and Star Wars Fans).

Just to mention, GW2 and even old dog LoTRO beats SW:ToR in terms of vistas, so nothing to see there.

I really hope you realize your opinion =/= fact. I'm not looking at the game as a Star Wars fan, and I like SWTOR's art style and look more than GW2 and by far LoTRO. Can chock it up to a matter of taste, I guess. 

  Draron

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9/28/12 7:41:57 AM#42

Originally posted by Draron
Originally posted by Paddyspub

Basic (or more) MMO features at launch-------------------------GW2 > SWTOR

Depends. GW2 lacks player to player trading and raiding, if you'd call that a basic MMO feature.

It doesn't lack trading, don't speak against your better knowledge. It's called mailing in GW2, but it's still that same trading from one player to another. And you don't need to find a mailbox to mail things, just target player, right click and choose send mail. Faster, better and new way compared to WoW clones.

If you really wanna call mailing the substitute for trading face to face, I don't know what to say. You don't have to try and make up for GW2's shortcomings. Mailing to trade is like placing blind trust in someone, it's not a substitute for it.

  Pelaaja

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9/28/12 7:53:55 AM#43
Originally posted by Draron
Originally posted by Pelaaja

I really hope you realize those pics of your characters don't look that spectacular to those who have no emotional tie to them (aka. everyone else but you and Star Wars Fans).

Just to mention, GW2 and even old dog LoTRO beats SW:ToR in terms of vistas, so nothing to see there.

I really hope you realize your opinion =/= fact. I'm not looking at the game as a Star Wars fan, and I like SWTOR's art style and look more than GW2 and by far LoTRO. Can chock it up to a matter of taste, I guess. 

Of course it's a matter of taste, otherwise we would be including sources in these conversations.

But you're not entirely sincere with your non-star-wars-fan-attitude. I happened to notice your sweet moment with Sevenstar61 at the SWTOR-forum.

  LoverNoFighter

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SWG pre cu > all

9/28/12 8:20:23 AM#44
Originally posted by RefMinor
A quality sandbox with lightsabres and a Star Wars-y feel to it, sounds good to me.

SWG pre cu.

Didn't get any better than that game.

  Teilo

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9/28/12 8:56:48 AM#45
Originally posted by ShakyMo
Gw2 is warhammer done right

Exactly what I thought after a few hours play; PQs were a great idea, but they actually work in GW2.

I bet WAR would pronounce 'Centaur' correctly though! :/

  TeknoBug

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9/28/12 9:08:19 AM#46


Originally posted by Paddyspub

Graphics (Wildlife, swimming, moving NPCS, etc)------------GW2 > SWTOR



The underwater combat is amazing but as for character animation and whatnot, SWTOR was better


Sound (Voice acting, background noise, music)---------------GW2 > SWTOR


Ah no I disagree, SWTOR's voice acting and cutscenes were far better, the story cutscenes in GW2 are meh, despite me being a spacebar junkie in SWTOR, I think they were better than GW2's.


Basic (or more) MMO features at launch-------------------------GW2 > SWTOR


SWTOR's content even 6 months later is sitll shallow.


Better Race (species) selection and Character Customization----------GW2 > SWTOR


I say they're about even between the two games
[quote]
Non-crap AH with easy UI---------------------------------------------GW2 > SWTOR
Oh yes the BLTP is amazingly simple to use


Loading screens that dont take forever----------------------------GW2 > SWTOR

Actually GW2 load times has gotten longer over the patches, although Corellia and Voss took over 2 minutes to load.


Better Guild and Social options and features--------------------GW2 > SWTOR


This is why my guild is loving this game, we hated SWTOR because it gave no benefit as a guild.


Better CS support--------------------------------------------------------GW2 >  SWTOR

EA/BW's support were terrible, I've dealt with them numerous times, Anet's support are responsive (read their account/tech forums) and they ARE addressing issues and telling us about it.
 

Edit: lemme add another one



PvP (open and instanced) GW2 > SWTOR


Simply because world vs world offers endless fun (I will be playing that for years just like I did with FPS games) and tournament pvp is a blast. Ilum was a horrible fiasco and with just 15-20 people on the screen it lagged so badly, the warzones got stale very quickly and the balance was so far off.


  amadeuz

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9/28/12 9:32:10 AM#47
Originally posted by Sevenstar61
Originally posted by DMKano
Originally posted by Paddyspub

 

 

Graphics (Wildlife, swimming, moving NPCS, etc)------------GW2 < SWTOR

Sound (Voice acting, background noise, music)---------------GW2 < SWTOR

Basic (or more) MMO features at launch-------------------------GW2 < SWTOR

Better Race (species) selection and Character Customization----------GW2 < SWTOR

Non-crap AH with easy UI---------------------------------------------GW2 < SWTOR

Loading screens that dont take forever----------------------------GW2 < SWTOR

Better Guild and Social options and features--------------------GW2 < SWTOR

Better CS support--------------------------------------------------------GW2 < SWTOR

 

Umm so SWTOR > GW2 in every way?

 With that statement I would agree LOL. besides lots of features were added in SWTOR that were not in 1st month. So maybe you should give a try:) and...

I absolutely love my characters :) nothing can beat them imho :) and a secret :) my chiss lady has red metalic eyes, red metalic lips and red metalic n*** guess what :) nothing can beat that EVER

Click on pics to enlarge /grin

 

Honestly, I am not a fan of SWTOR Graphic, IMHO The model, Texture, VRays, Animation in SWTOR feels cheap for me.

  Wendetta

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9/28/12 10:05:07 AM#48
Originally posted by Paddyspub

 

 There is a reason SWTOR is going to F2P in less than 10 months with a $150-300 million budget but that is another topic. 

 

So let me guess, the reason why GW2 is B2P (with a cash shop to boot) is because ANet knew well in advance that this game would not be able to hold onto subscribers, right? 

 

The way some people spin the F2P/P2P factor into their favour is moronically ingenious!

If a game that you dont like is going F2P = great joy that the game is failing.

If the game that you like is already somewhat F2P = great innovation in the entire MMO genre.

 

 

Double standards, Again, at its poorest. And if you dint want to post the bait, then you shouldnt have. Shows complete lack of wisdom to say some gibberish and THEN add a "but that is another topic." disclaimer to save face at the end of you rant.  

 

And your opinions are your own so feel more than welcome to post them in a civil manner here since everyone got an anus and all that, but you know...SWTOR wasnt any spectacular success that you need to feel the compulsion to compare it to GW2. What do you want to prove by comparing what "in your opinion" is a runaway success (your favourite GW2) to a quite underwhelming game (SWTOR)? Is it some form of gaining a sense of conceited smugness while picking faults to someone else's game with immature logic just because you can point and make fun of them? Or is it because you know that GW2 will fall flat on the face if you compare it to the real behemoths of the MMO industry (like WoW or EvE, "IMO")?

Some people like SWTOR and some like GW2 and then a few like both and then again some like neither...but oh yea we all gotta voice our hubris by belittling the competition since we all are unique little snowflakes, right?

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  bcbully

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9/28/12 10:12:55 AM#49

According to Xfire, Swtor looked a little better through one month, and almost identical after 1 month, with the slight edge going to swtor.

Swtor here.

GW2 here.

 

  User Deleted
9/28/12 10:16:01 AM#50

OP is absolutely correct. This isn't some opinion poll it's the truth. Anyone who's played both games will notice the difference in everything. The quality rests with GW2 and they didn't spend 300 mil on it.

Secondly, SWTOR is going F2P not because of the economy (because that IP can usually sustain anything) but because the game was poorly done as noted by the countless number of people leaving the title and the endless devs either being fired or moving on to do "other" types of projects because they can't be hired back into the gaming companies anymore, that's how bad this title is, that it ruined careers in the gaming industry. The facts are there folks.

And finally, Any game releasing in the coming years with the current economy should not be subscription if they have economists with heads screwed on properly. Any Economist worth his weight in diamonds will tell you that this economy cannot sustain a sub. Look at WoW. Dwindling numbers after all this time. Even their expansion sales are down. The evidence is there. So Anet was smart about it and they are successful because of this.

  User Deleted
9/28/12 10:18:27 AM#51

A GW2 type game with SW:TOR quality story would indeed be amazing.

Take everything from GW2 but the story and the setting - take those from SW:TOR. Ilum will be the Eternal Battleground, but done properly, with siege engines and all the stuff.

Instant winner game.

FFS, just give me a Divinity's Reach like designed Corruscant, and I buy the game just to visit it.

  User Deleted
9/28/12 10:24:58 AM#52
my toons personal stories in GW2 are sooooo much better then anything I experienced in SWTOR. SWTOR was one of those bad sitcoms that didn't really have a plot just some random stories thrown together imo.
  User Deleted
9/28/12 10:27:27 AM#53
Originally posted by itgrowls
my toons personal stories in GW2 are sooooo much better then anything I experienced in SWTOR. SWTOR was one of those bad sitcoms that didn't really have a plot just some random stories thrown together imo.

The SW:TOR cutscenes were better though in my opinion. I agree I loved my Norn's story like just as much as I liked my Jedi Shadow's one, but SW:TOR shined in the quality of cutscenes.

The background moving paintings in GW2 cutscenes are for most amazing works of art though.

  Eletheryl

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9/28/12 10:29:25 AM#54
Originally posted by itgrowls
my toons personal stories in GW2 are sooooo much better then anything I experienced in SWTOR. SWTOR was one of those bad sitcoms that didn't really have a plot just some random stories thrown together imo.

Lol, you have no idea.  

  GrayGhost79

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9/28/12 10:31:09 AM#55
Originally posted by The_Korrigan

A GW2 type game with SW:TOR quality story would indeed be amazing.

Take everything from GW2 but the story and the setting - take those from SW:TOR. Ilum will be the Eternal Battleground, but done properly, with siege engines and all the stuff.

Instant winner game.

FFS, just give me a Divinity's Reach like designed Corruscant, and I buy the game just to visit it.

Imagine a SWTOR where you get a message that a Emperial Spy ship has been spotted in a republic zone, you're scrambled to take it down while at the same time a distess call is sent to the empire so they are scrambled to defend it. Space combat commences, Empire fails to protect ship, it's damaged and crash lands on a planet. Those on the planet get a message, empire retrieve intel, republic destroy intel. More combat ensuses but on the ground. If the Empire succeeds in getting the intel it gives a global bonus to the empire. Have similar events for the republic for opportunities to gain global bonuses and such. 

 

  VikingGamer

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9/28/12 10:32:59 AM#56

I think one thing at least that the voice acting in GW2 shows is that you don't need to voice every single quest. Quests come and go fast and most are unimportant tasks rather than quests.  I think GW2 got it right in voicing just the story line cut scenes and then putting much more voice into ambient sound. The hearts? Even the DEs not having voice except for the ambient, "would you come and help us, they have taken everyone prisoner."

I think voicing all the quests not only slowed things down at times but it also created a bar that would end up costing Bioware dearly when they produce updates. Bad precedent. Really only the story quests and instances should have been voiced. Maybe the heroic quests but definitly not the normal quests. Also, instances should give you a way to opt out of the sequences all together right from the start at least after you run it one time.

Strangely having ambient voicing instead of voicing lesser quests seems to work really well in GW2. It is really kinda fun to overhear some of the npc converstation as you pass buy. That kind of voicing adds a lot to the realism of a city or a town.

Good voicing adds a lot to a game but you only need to add it in the right places.

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  Draemos

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9/28/12 10:34:21 AM#57
Originally posted by Paddyspub

 

I think GW2 is a fun game,  I cant play mmos as much as I use too due to my job and social so probably wont even do any raiding or endgame stuff like I did in Wow.   Even so, GW2 is pretty nice, the graphics/art/style are good, gameplay is smooth, sound/voice work are well done.      I did play SWTOR but I quit well before the 1st month came up due to the games so many problems and lack of even basic mmo features.   There is a reason SWTOR is going to F2P in less than 10 months with a $150-300 million budget but that is another topic. 

 

Graphics (Wildlife, swimming, moving NPCS, etc)------------GW2 > SWTOR

Sound (Voice acting, background noise, music)---------------GW2 > SWTOR

Basic (or more) MMO features at launch-------------------------GW2 > SWTOR

Better Race (species) selection and Character Customization----------GW2 > SWTOR

Non-crap AH with easy UI---------------------------------------------GW2 > SWTOR

Loading screens that dont take forever----------------------------GW2 > SWTOR

Better Guild and Social options and features--------------------GW2 > SWTOR

Better CS support--------------------------------------------------------GW2 >  SWTOR

 

 

As you can see, GW2 pretty much owns SWTOR in every way, except the SW lP.    The only way SW can make a comeback is maybe a diffferent company makes a new, more sandbox-ey SW MMO and doesnt let EA ruin it.  Or SoE can do a SWG reboot.    Even SWG is better than SWTOR.   And this is coming from someone who was a big SWTOR fanboy a year ago.   My 2 cents.  

Considering the leveling experience is SWTOR kicks the shit out of GW2, and you only played SWTOR for a month (which is before SWTORs terrible end-game comes into play), I'd have to say I'd trust your taste in games about as far as I can throw you.

SWTOR has it's problems.  The first month of gameplay isn't amongst them.

  GrayGhost79

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9/28/12 10:36:19 AM#58
Originally posted by Draemos
Originally posted by Paddyspub

 

I think GW2 is a fun game,  I cant play mmos as much as I use too due to my job and social so probably wont even do any raiding or endgame stuff like I did in Wow.   Even so, GW2 is pretty nice, the graphics/art/style are good, gameplay is smooth, sound/voice work are well done.      I did play SWTOR but I quit well before the 1st month came up due to the games so many problems and lack of even basic mmo features.   There is a reason SWTOR is going to F2P in less than 10 months with a $150-300 million budget but that is another topic. 

 

Graphics (Wildlife, swimming, moving NPCS, etc)------------GW2 > SWTOR

Sound (Voice acting, background noise, music)---------------GW2 > SWTOR

Basic (or more) MMO features at launch-------------------------GW2 > SWTOR

Better Race (species) selection and Character Customization----------GW2 > SWTOR

Non-crap AH with easy UI---------------------------------------------GW2 > SWTOR

Loading screens that dont take forever----------------------------GW2 > SWTOR

Better Guild and Social options and features--------------------GW2 > SWTOR

Better CS support--------------------------------------------------------GW2 >  SWTOR

 

 

As you can see, GW2 pretty much owns SWTOR in every way, except the SW lP.    The only way SW can make a comeback is maybe a diffferent company makes a new, more sandbox-ey SW MMO and doesnt let EA ruin it.  Or SoE can do a SWG reboot.    Even SWG is better than SWTOR.   And this is coming from someone who was a big SWTOR fanboy a year ago.   My 2 cents.  

Considering the leveling experience is SWTOR kicks the shit out of GW2, and you only played SWTOR for a month (which is before SWTORs terrible end-game comes into play), I'd have to say I'd trust your taste in games about as far as I can throw you.

SWTOR has it's problems.  The first month of gameplay isn't amongst them.

I don't know, the tired quest grind leveling in SWTOR sucked to me, but to each their own. 

  Kilmar

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9/28/12 10:41:15 AM#59
Played SWTOR some months, played GW2 3 weeks. Nuff said.
  TeknoBug

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9/28/12 10:50:02 AM#60


Originally posted by bcbully
According to Xfire, Swtor looked a little better through one month, and almost identical after 1 month, with the slight edge going to swtor.

Swtor here.

GW2 here.

 



I agree with the charts, HOWEVER, notice the trend, Dec 20 was the release day (not counting the 1 week early access) but notice the sudden drop off at Jan 18, you know what that means right? The first 30 days before having to pay for a sub.


GW2 has no sub, has no first 30 days, and then there's MoP and TL2 and whatever else people go and play while still being able to play GW2 whenever they want. Despite the slope GW2 shows on xfire, servers are still unbelievable packed (go check yourself if you don't believe me).


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