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Originally posted by stratasaurus

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Originally posted by Ichmen

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Originally posted by stratasaurus I love how all the asses on here are fine with using the forums that other people spent lots of time and money to create, and read all the articles and columns that people have poured themselves into and then get all pissy about having to look at a ad, no monthly thing to pay, noone even asking you to the click the ad, just have it there and then have the balls to say that they don't need this site cause this information is somewhere else.  You guys are total d-berries and I hope someone comes along and steals the crap you have worked so hard for.

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a majority of people are not upset about ads, its that a majority of ads are full of malice code that can hyjack your browser or corrupt your pc (aka viruses)  that many tend to disable such things.  i have no problem with ads being used, i would just like some other means to have the ads on mmorpg then me having to disable my adblocker.  flash/java ads are extremely annoying and distracting 99.99% of the time.  other ads are just out right stupid..  if im on a gaming site why am i getting adult ads or car ads.. that sort of thing. i personally would rather not go to bed just to find out i got some major worm virus off mmorpg's ad bars because one of their providers got hacked/hyjacked and the code inputted. 

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You can sugar coat it all you want fact of the matter is it has been explained that this is how this site is able to be and by using it without supporting that you are expecting others to pay for what you are taking for free, thats the fact of it period.

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There's solutions other then ads to handle the financial stuff for sites that provide interesting content for the users.

Micropayments via Flattr or PayPal, where users/subscribers, who don't want ads can pay a few cents every month is the way to go.
Let's say some 25 cents per month for example. With your favourite 10 websites all using this model it would be a lousy $2.50 per month, and the quality of content and the users would be way better this way aswell actually.

With 25 cents per user and posibly some 100k users willing to pay that little amount of money, we're allready looking at $25k per month. Some $1500 per employee and $10k for the servers and bandwith paid per month this way.

And I actually happen to know websites driven by a single person with a few hundred followers paying their costs by using the service of Flattr. So this is no science fiction really, but a system proven to be working.

The problem with subscriptions for websites arises only, if the people running them get greedy and demand a few dollars each month.

drawback to a subscription based system (a pure system anyway) is that not everyone will/can pay for the subscription. there are alot of sites that use a "premium model" while i like the freemode of mmorpg, i honestly dont know if i personally would pay a subscription to it. even at 0.01 cent a day it would depend on my personal views on that.  and im sure many others would simply not bother.  (which is why we have p2p/b2p/f2p games)

i guess it would depend on how its setup though.  im just not sure if id personally pay X amount a month for a website. i dont buy a sub for gamespot for that very reason, i just dont know if ill use the products provided to feel i got my money's worth. 

thats why i wouldnt mind seeing an ad section on the site that people can go to, to basicly click/view/pick their nose of the ad bars provided to mmorpg and there by generate increased income.

Originally posted by Admin

Originally posted by RocSek

Originally posted by Admin

Originally posted by Worstluck
I realize you guys make money from ads, however, I would not be clicking on said ads regardless so I block them for safety and just to make the page readable.  Now will I permanently have a big red bar accross the top of the page?

It does not matter if you click the ads.  We sell ads based on impressions, not clicks/results.  So even if you don't click the ads you hurt our entire site by running a blocker.  Running adblock on a site that supports itself with advertisements is no different than downloading pirated movies, music or video games.  You are in a sense stealing our content that we work hard to create and pay to an entire team to create.

This is flat out wrong. If you want to "Stop people from stealing your content" then make all the infomation password protected, and charge people to access it. But to say we are stealing your content because we choose to block ads is ridiculous. And who ever typed this behind the anonymous "Admin" account should be fired.

The Admin account is not anonymous.  I am Craig McGregor the President/CEO of the company and the co-owner and founder of the site.  

The trend in AdBlock is concerning for me, not just on our site here, but on the Internet as a whole.  It is a growing problem and I feel it will eventually lead to the end of the "free Internet" that we all know and love.  If sites cannot stay afloat from advertising sales they have few options left: a) start charging for access to content b) start doing really unethical tihngs like Advertorial content c) syndicate into large networks with pay access like Cable TV "packages".  Personally I like the advertising model both as a site operator and as a user of hundreds of free websites.

Wow, I wouldn't give a flying leap if you were the president of the entire flipping universe.  You don't make insulting accusations towards your fan base.  We don't buy anything here nor is anything requiring a subscription to view or reply too.  We are in no way shape or form stealing any of your precious loots by having a adblocker on.

I've been using this site for a many many years for the forums. The articles are just there for looks to me.  I refuse to turn off my adblocker because my last computer I had got face stomped by viruses from websites that I trusted.  My computer's health is a billion times more important to me.

Since you are the god of this site and you can't fire yourself, well you could but I doubt you will, you should really think hard on what you are going to type to a person who frequents this site before you press SUBMIT.

shame on you craig

EDIT: oh and adblockers arent the thing that is going to ruin the free internetz, things like SOPA and the new TTP are going to kill the internetz.

The people in this thread are joking right? I've been running no ad blockers besides firefox basic & chrome with built in popup protection for years. No viruses, no mis-clicks, no hackers, no keyloggers, no problems. Total internet security does not require adblockers to run a squared away machine.

Honestly, I am amazed that the staff at MMORPG works so hard with such a uncooperative group of people. A group of people well known to many other communities to steer clear of. Props to MMORPG.com, you have more patience and business ethic than I do.

Then again, you can't expect people who do not understand advertising to be able to comprehend what you are asking of them without getting NWO responses.

I won't be blocking your ads or anything elses in the name of internet security & fears of "damage to my machine." I am just baffled at some of the ridiculousness I just read. I had to stop, I can only take so much fear & ignorance in a certain period of time from others.

Also, thanks for the beta key that I am not allowed to name.

Originally posted by Stizzled
Sorry guys, I tried, but I just can't do it. If 90% of your ads weren't flash ads it wouldn't be a problem. As it is, with three MoP ads right next to each other all running and four flash ads on each forum page, I just can't do it. Call me a pirate if you will, say I'm ruining the "free internet", but my adblocker goes back on. I'd rather deal with the giant red banner than your ridiculous flash ads.

This

So uh... on the mainpage befeore you login, there is an ad displayed above the Warplanes beta giveaway - to the right of hte games, guilds, etc block.  After you login, it now displays part of the header info - trending games, your name, messages, etc - that bit.

After you logout on the mainpage, that ad area now displays the login as part of the headerblock that's displayed in that ad area...

...but that appears to be when the page loads as www.mmorpg.com/index.cfm as opposed to just www.mmorpg.com....

...it's dropping the networkbar inside where the ad would display on the index.cfm page.

A cursory compare does not display anything that would result in that difference.  Of course, in the process of looking at that - there's an issue with one of the styles - netowrkbar instead of networkbar.

Still though, it's a curious thing.  It's happening within the hepro div - well, inside the insidediv div inside hepro.  That div's checked as part of the cAb function that slaps up the red banner at the top.  You're basically checking that div height to see if it is 0, and if it is - it's because the ad's not being displayed and thus the red banner appears at the top.

So it's likely an issue with one of the programatically generated iframes that's working differently based off of whether it sees itself as www.mmorpg.com or www.mmorpg.com/index.cfm - with the index.cfm page not handling the code correctly and displaying the networkbar inside the hepro...

...and then it's the case that it's not that it's the networkbar it's replicating, but it's likely replicating the whole page within that insidediv and only that small portion is showing.  Which could tie into some of the complaints about slowness on the site.  It's loading the page at least twice.  Who knows if it's calling itself again within that small broken div, eh?

Just a case that when on www.mmorpg.com, using the src="#" working fine for the function to display the ad and when it's on the www.mmorpg.com/index.cfm page - src="#" is actually pulling the page itself...index.cfm....

It's little things like this...which kind of eat away at overall confidence in a site.  Course, I've seen far worse out there....

I use adblock (and yes, I just adblocked the banner you put up), and have no intention of whitelisting you guys right now.  Here's why:

Your site design is too busy, even without ads.  Enabling ads with your current layout, is just distracting.  What makes it worse is that the ads you guys tend to show are animation-heavy, so there's all this extra movement jumping around the screen.  In fact, even with the ads disabled, your site still looks like it's 80% advertisements anyway, which is just comical.

Fix your site design so that it's less obnoxious, and I won't mind the ads.  If you want examples of good sites that I have whitelisted, here are a few fairly relevant examples:

slashdot.org

arstechnica.com

penny-arcade.com

Originally posted by Worstluck
I realize you guys make money from ads, however, I would not be clicking on said ads regardless so I block them for safety and just to make the page readable.  Now will I permanently have a big red bar accross the top of the page?

Just adblock the bar element.

Originally posted by asmkm22

I use adblock (and yes, I just adblocked the banner you put up), and have no intention of whitelisting you guys right now.  Here's why:

 

Your site design is too busy, even without ads.  Enabling ads with your current layout, is just distracting.  What makes it worse is that the ads you guys tend to show are animation-heavy, so there's all this extra movement jumping around the screen.  In fact, even with the ads disabled, your site still looks like it's 80% advertisements anyway, which is just comical.

Fix your site design so that it's less obnoxious, and I won't mind the ads.  If you want examples of good sites that I have whitelisted, here are a few fairly relevant examples:

 

slashdot.org

arstechnica.com

penny-arcade.com

 

I got a chuckle out of this - because what's the first thing you see on slashdot with adblock disabled?  A pair of flashy WoW ads.  Heck, even one of the ads that displays here at the bottom of forums displays as the header on slashdot.

Arstechnica has a flashy banner ad in their header and an annoying eBay animated huge square over to the right.

Penny-Arcade's sporting the GW2 ad from here in their header and has another animated skybox WoW ad in the right column.

So I can't see complaining about animation heavy ads when the three sites you listed are also displaying animation heavy ads (in two of the three cases, the same ads as here).

If you turn adblock off, it adds four ads to the main page.  It adds five ads to the real time forum page.  It adds four ads to the post page.

Turn it off on PA, it adds 5 ads on the front page.  Ars adds at least 3 (it's hard to tell, because everything looks like an ad on that site).  SD adds 5 ads on the front page.

So yeah, while I can understand not liking the full background image ad - I still had to get a chuckle out of the three sites you offered up as doing it better...

I been on this site for a good long time. I got to say I never used an add block software.  Some of the adds I actually found interesting.  However 15% of them I find offending, like all the soft core porn adds that look like half clothed teen girls for promoting a game, and then you got the adds that have so much flashing on them it is almost enough to set off a seizure.

Now that being said, I usually overlook the adds to get down to the meat and bones of this site and that is the forums.  I learned that 90% of the columns and videos show so much bias to certain games it is not funny. I learned who I can trust for a review, and who I cant trust while watching a video. Some days wondering why some of these columnist even get paid as you can go to youtube and watch the reviews or facebook pages and get the same content they get paid for on this site for free, seams like one columnist got canned for doing the same thing in the past, but now its promoted that way.  

Now I read down through what 13 pages of bull hockey, and I will call it that.  I seen threats back and forth from user after user, but you know what I not see one person named user deleted yet on any of them.  So to all those making threats not come here, go ahead and and delete your account, you might as well as you lost all credibility if you don't.

I will say this if I got to pay for this site, all bets are off. I hope they don't go that route as I come here on a daily basis. It would be a shame.

Well, I see this banner as well - but having slow PC at work means I do disable every ad everywhere, be it news site or mmorpg.com. Slow PC is slow PC, my Firefox freezes sometimes on innocent news article (ctrl-alt-del helps...).So, I should either ignore mmorpg.com at work or browse it without ads.

Staff may blame and curse me, but I choose a bit faster browsing without ads.

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Originally posted by VirusDancer I got a chuckle out of this - because what's the first thing you see on slashdot with adblock disabled?  A pair of flashy WoW ads.  Heck, even one of the ads that displays here at the bottom of forums displays as the header on slashdot.

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Slashdot is also a fairly streamlined site, and the ads are located in non-obtrusive parts of the page. Yes, they have animated ads, but they aren't overpowering the actual content of the site. Also, as a side note, they give you the option of disabling ads if you contribute to the site with comments and mod points and such, so most of the time I still don't see ads.

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Arstechnica has a flashy banner ad in their header and an annoying eBay animated huge square over to the right.

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Ars Technica is arguably the worst of the sites I mentioned, especially after their last update a few months ago. That said, the ads are generally obvious, and not too cluttered. The page is pretty cluttered these days, but it's still much cleaner than this site's main page.

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Penny-Arcade's sporting the GW2 ad from here in their header and has another animated skybox WoW ad in the right column.

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Penny-Arcade is an example of a site being able to have the flashy banners if the rest of the site is designed with simplicity in mind. The actual content is straight-forward, and the ads are always in two locations. Sometimes they are distracting, but not in a way that keeps me from wanting to visit.

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So yeah, while I can understand not liking the full background image ad - I still had to get a chuckle out of the three sites you offered up as doing it better...

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On a side note, the full background ad they use here is completely blockable as well, so I only see it when they update it with an entirely new game, and in a new year, due to the image naming conventions they use. In all honestly, even the full page ad in the background never really bothered me much, and I only decided to block it after they pulled the big red banner trick today.

Originally posted by erictlewis

I been on this site for a good long time. I got to say I never used an add block software.  Some of the adds I actually found interesting.  However 15% of them I find offending, like all the soft core porn adds that look like half clothed teen girls for promoting a game, and then you got the adds that have so much flashing on them it is almost enough to set off a seizure.

Now that being said, I usually overlook the adds to get down to the meat and bones of this site and that is the forums.  I learned that 90% of the columns and videos show so much bias to certain games it is not funny. I learned who I can trust for a review, and who I cant trust while watching a video. Some days wondering why some of these columnist even get paid as you can go to youtube and watch the reviews or facebook pages and get the same content they get paid for on this site for free, seams like one columnist got canned for doing the same thing in the past, but now its promoted that way.  

Now I read down through what 13 pages of bull hockey, and I will call it that.  I seen threats back and forth from user after user, but you know what I not see one person named user deleted yet on any of them.  So to all those making threats not come here, go ahead and and delete your account, you might as well as you lost all credibility if you don't.

I will say this if I got to pay for this site, all bets are off. I hope they don't go that route as I come here on a daily basis. It would be a shame.

 

 

 

 

what does deleting a persons account have to do with them whitelisting or not whitelisting a url in their ad blocking software?  

people dont have to disable their account to stop using the site, all you do is manually logout of the site, and delete it from any bookmarks or set it to be disallowed on your pc browser. not hard to do, or simply logout, delete the url from save and never visit it again.  much like users do for games o-O

Originally posted by Admin

Originally posted by Worstluck
I realize you guys make money from ads, however, I would not be clicking on said ads regardless so I block them for safety and just to make the page readable.  Now will I permanently have a big red bar accross the top of the page?

It does not matter if you click the ads.  We sell ads based on impressions, not clicks/results.  So even if you don't click the ads you hurt our entire site by running a blocker.  Running adblock on a site that supports itself with advertisements is no different than downloading pirated movies, music or video games.  You are in a sense stealing our content that we work hard to create and pay to an entire team to create.

This is stupid. There are a myriad of reasons one run a AdBlocker. Most already mentioned here. Sure you can whitelist sites, but calling your visitors thief's is plain stupid. I went from pro- mmorpg to anti-  in 1second. so. Good Bye! I ain't staying on a site that, was it the CEO?,  accuses me of theft. If you are so desperate, find other ways of maintaining the site. But never ever accuse your visitors of being thief's.

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Originally posted by Ichmen

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Originally posted by erictlewis I been on this site for a good long time. I got to say I never used an add block software.  Some of the adds I actually found interesting.  However 15% of them I find offending, like all the soft core porn adds that look like half clothed teen girls for promoting a game, and then you got the adds that have so much flashing on them it is almost enough to set off a seizure. Now that being said, I usually overlook the adds to get down to the meat and bones of this site and that is the forums.  I learned that 90% of the columns and videos show so much bias to certain games it is not funny. I learned who I can trust for a review, and who I cant trust while watching a video. Some days wondering why some of these columnist even get paid as you can go to youtube and watch the reviews or facebook pages and get the same content they get paid for on this site for free, seams like one columnist got canned for doing the same thing in the past, but now its promoted that way.   Now I read down through what 13 pages of bull hockey, and I will call it that.  I seen threats back and forth from user after user, but you know what I not see one person named user deleted yet on any of them.  So to all those making threats not come here, go ahead and and delete your account, you might as well as you lost all credibility if you don't. I will say this if I got to pay for this site, all bets are off. I hope they don't go that route as I come here on a daily basis. It would be a shame.        

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what does deleting a persons account have to do with them whitelisting or not whitelisting a url in their ad blocking software?  

people dont have to disable their account to stop using the site, all you do is manually logout of the site, and delete it from any bookmarks or set it to be disallowed on your pc browser. not hard to do, or simply logout, delete the url from save and never visit it again.  much like users do for games o-O

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Not to mention, why do any of us care if we lose credibility with him. WE lose credibility if we don't delete our accounts? That was a bit of a ridiculous thing to demand. He should set the example if that's how he feels.

Originally posted by Spaceflower

Originally posted by Admin

Originally posted by Worstluck
I realize you guys make money from ads, however, I would not be clicking on said ads regardless so I block them for safety and just to make the page readable.  Now will I permanently have a big red bar accross the top of the page?

It does not matter if you click the ads.  We sell ads based on impressions, not clicks/results.  So even if you don't click the ads you hurt our entire site by running a blocker.  Running adblock on a site that supports itself with advertisements is no different than downloading pirated movies, music or video games.  You are in a sense stealing our content that we work hard to create and pay to an entire team to create.

This is stupid. There are a myriad of reasons one run a AdBlocker. Most already mentioned here. Sure you can whitelist sites, but calling your visitors thief's is plain stupid. I went from pro- mmorpg to anti-  in 1second. so. Good Bye! I ain't staying on a site that, was it the CEO?,  accuses me of theft. If you are so desperate, find other ways of maintaining the site. But never ever accuse your visitors of being thief's.

His comment definitely wasn't really well thought out, but I just chalked it up to a poor choice of words.  The fact is, I don't come here because I care about their content anyway.  Most of their writers are pretty bad, and obviously (hopefully) not actual journalist.

I come here for the community, such as it is sometimes.

Originally posted by Tardcore

Originally posted by Admin

Originally posted by Worstluck
I realize you guys make money from ads, however, I would not be clicking on said ads regardless so I block them for safety and just to make the page readable.  Now will I permanently have a big red bar accross the top of the page?

It does not matter if you click the ads.  We sell ads based on impressions, not clicks/results.  So even if you don't click the ads you hurt our entire site by running a blocker.  Running adblock on a site that supports itself with advertisements is no different than downloading pirated movies, music or video games.  You are in a sense stealing our content that we work hard to create and pay to an entire team to create.

And a site like yours shirivels up and dies if it does not have a committed community. Its very much a two way street.

Might want to think hard about that before throwing around these kinds of accusations.

You know if they don't do it they don't have a site.

Unless you'd like to make a donation instead bro.

(looks at the small flashy ads..omg the horror... [mod edit] 3 years on this site and never been hacked or lost account info...shut up security loop holes my arse)

Originally posted by Admin

Originally posted by Worstluck
I realize you guys make money from ads, however, I would not be clicking on said ads regardless so I block them for safety and just to make the page readable.  Now will I permanently have a big red bar accross the top of the page?

It does not matter if you click the ads.  We sell ads based on impressions, not clicks/results.  So even if you don't click the ads you hurt our entire site by running a blocker.  Running adblock on a site that supports itself with advertisements is no different than downloading pirated movies, music or video games.  You are in a sense stealing our content that we work hard to create and pay to an entire team to create.

I feel offended by your statement. In no way me visiting this site with adblock on or off is stealing your content, you do stand as a free site right ?

On another notice if you sell ads by impression and not clicks, how does the client determines if their ad will be a success on your website ? Dont they use statistics like, website visits per day, month ? or site activity, site members ? I think they (the customer) know the risks that some ppl use adblockers and their ads wont be seen but still, i bet they have statistics that it will still be worth it based on some other stats.

Originally posted by Angier2758

Originally posted by Tardcore

Originally posted by Admin

Originally posted by Worstluck
I realize you guys make money from ads, however, I would not be clicking on said ads regardless so I block them for safety and just to make the page readable.  Now will I permanently have a big red bar accross the top of the page?

It does not matter if you click the ads.  We sell ads based on impressions, not clicks/results.  So even if you don't click the ads you hurt our entire site by running a blocker.  Running adblock on a site that supports itself with advertisements is no different than downloading pirated movies, music or video games.  You are in a sense stealing our content that we work hard to create and pay to an entire team to create.

And a site like yours shirivels up and dies if it does not have a committed community. Its very much a two way street.

Might want to think hard about that before throwing around these kinds of accusations.

You know if they don't do it they don't have a site.

Unless you'd like to make a donation instead bro.

 

(looks at the small flashy ads..omg the horror... seriously stop being douches and grow up.... 3 years on this site and never been hacked or lost account info...shut up security loop holes my arse)

lol how do i adblock your signature?