Originally posted by grimal

Originally posted by Ghern

Originally posted by grimal

Originally posted by Ghern

Originally posted by goozmania

Originally posted by The_Korrigan
 

Originally posted by goozmania

Most games do not show you where anything is on the map. The last time I played Warcraft, it sure didn't

This sentence says it all. Another misinformation source detected.

Anyone playing WoW knows you're spewing nonsense, no matter if they like GW2 or not. Quest helpers, with big arrows on the map, have been in WoW for years and years. Built in, not addons.

I don't know why I'm bothering responding to an obvious troll... but

Last time I played WoW was in 2008, and there were none. If you were near quest giving/completing npc's, the marks would show up on your minimap, but that was all. People were downloading Questhelper or Carbonite Quest to see where to go for updates.

Same in EQ2; though SOE added some very limited helpful icons on the map, people all download an add-on called "EQ2 Maps" to show them all the quest update locations. No MMO I've played has mapped out exactly where players need to go like this one does.

You played 4 years ago and you posted something as a fact?

Go play today. WoW absolutely holds your hand on quests. They tell you exactly where to go via map icons and minimap arrows pointing you in the right direction.

Like someone else said, no addon needed. Blizz added this to the game some years back. It's a "feature".

How did he say it was a fact?  He said last time he played it.  These petty accusations are becoming a real smear campaign. 

He made his first post. Some corrected his statements.

Then he replies, not acknowledging that maybe his comment was in error but basically defends it in some round about way and calling someone a possible troll for his reply.

The way I interpeted that was he was presenting the information as a fact. My interpertation.

Where did he say it was fact in a prior post?

Colored the relevant bit for you. WoW not doing so in 2008 was cited as evidence which was rightly pointed out as stupid.

You're welcome.

Fact is most games DO show you where things are on the map.

Originally posted by grimal

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Rokurgepta

 

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just got my 6th character slot of an extra bag slot just by trading gold for gems no real money needed:)

How much gold does that cost? I might be interested in doing that too.

varies depending on exchange rate.. right now about 1 gold will net you little over 250 gems.. costs 800 gems for a new character slot and 400 gems for a bag slot.. not cheap but still not spending a dime in real cash if you don't want to.

Originally posted by Geeves

Originally posted by grimal

Originally posted by Ghern

Originally posted by grimal

Originally posted by Ghern

Originally posted by goozmania

Originally posted by The_Korrigan
 

Originally posted by goozmania

Most games do not show you where anything is on the map. The last time I played Warcraft, it sure didn't

This sentence says it all. Another misinformation source detected.

Anyone playing WoW knows you're spewing nonsense, no matter if they like GW2 or not. Quest helpers, with big arrows on the map, have been in WoW for years and years. Built in, not addons.

I don't know why I'm bothering responding to an obvious troll... but

Last time I played WoW was in 2008, and there were none. If you were near quest giving/completing npc's, the marks would show up on your minimap, but that was all. People were downloading Questhelper or Carbonite Quest to see where to go for updates.

Same in EQ2; though SOE added some very limited helpful icons on the map, people all download an add-on called "EQ2 Maps" to show them all the quest update locations. No MMO I've played has mapped out exactly where players need to go like this one does.

You played 4 years ago and you posted something as a fact?

Go play today. WoW absolutely holds your hand on quests. They tell you exactly where to go via map icons and minimap arrows pointing you in the right direction.

Like someone else said, no addon needed. Blizz added this to the game some years back. It's a "feature".

How did he say it was a fact?  He said last time he played it.  These petty accusations are becoming a real smear campaign. 

He made his first post. Some corrected his statements.

Then he replies, not acknowledging that maybe his comment was in error but basically defends it in some round about way and calling someone a possible troll for his reply.

The way I interpeted that was he was presenting the information as a fact. My interpertation.

Where did he say it was fact in a prior post?

Colored the relevant bit for you. WoW not doing so in 2008 was cited as evidence which was rightly pointed out as stupid.

You're welcome.

Fact is most games DO show you where things are on the map.

Maybe his memory was off a bit?  He says in the yellow part that is how he remembered it.   I don't think it's fair to jump on a guy if his memory isn't 100% accurate after 4 years.   But have you guys shown that he is in fact wrong?

Originally posted by grimal

Colored the relevant bit for you. WoW not doing so in 2008 was cited as evidence which was rightly pointed out as stupid.

You're welcome.

Fact is most games DO show you where things are on the map.

Maybe his memory was off a bit?  He says in the yellow part that is how he remembered it.   I don't think it's fair to jump on a guy if his memory isn't 100% accurate after 4 years.   But have you guys shown that he is in fact wrong?

2008 WoW didn't show you where. All the quest said was "To the North. or "In the a cave to the south." You could get quest helper though.

Originally posted by WhiteLantern
Disclaimer: I put ZERO stock in xfire numbers. But for those that do: Here ya go.

I'm more surprised that SWTOR has more hours played and Eve. 

Wait....

that can only mean....

OMG! EVE IS TOTAL FAIL AND GOING F2P TOMMORROW!!!!!'

/cries

Originally posted by SnarlingWolf

Originally posted by Volkon

Originally posted by SnarlingWolf

Actually one of the reasons I hate GW2 is it is, outside of a couple of hidden jump puzzles, 100% hand holding. GW2 guided me every step of the way and told me exactly what to do and where to go. It marked the map with the stuff I needed to go to. It walked me step by step on getting to my next story quest every time.

Sounds like someone spent his time following hearts rather than actually exploring. The hearts were added later in development when testing showed that most testers would simply wander about aimlessly and not actually join in dynamic events ("I didn't have a quest for that"). So hearts were added to the game/map to give those that need it somewhere to go and begin the acclimation process to dynamic events. The idea is to go to a heart, do the tasks and get drawn away by events.

 

Events will show up on the map if they're in your immediate area. Jumping puzzles, hidden chests and areas... these don't show up and require exploration. Every zone has at least one jumping puzzle and various hidden chests waiting for the worthy explorer.

 

GW2 wasn't holding your hand and guiding your every step... you refused to let go of the hand.

 

I know you love this game and can't accept the reality of the situation so all you ever do is attack others, which was my point to your first post and will be my point to this one.

 

I explored, I did secret jumping puzzles, I talked to NPCs to kick off the "dynamic" events. The game is a MASSIVE handholding game and to deny that is utter ridiculousness that can't even be measured. The funny thing is, you are the one that made handholding the bad thing. Then when it was pointed out how much handholding GW2 does, you had to struggle to defend that position.

 

Try playing games that actually don't hold your hand. I played Asheron's Call at release and still play it today. You know what they showed you? Nothing. They didn't highlight quest givers, they didn't show you where to go on the map, they didn't tell you where or even how to complete a quest. You didn't even know for sure if an NPC was telling you about a quest or was just telling you lore as there was no "Hey you just got assigned a quest" feature. You TRULY had to explore the world to find out. That is a game that does not hold hands. They've since added a bit more direction but it is a tiny fraction compared to most modern theme parks and especially GW2.

 

All you do in every thread is come up with some insult to people who don't like GW2 and throw out random non-facts like those who left GW2 must need a game that holds your hand when GW2 is one of the most hand holding games ever released.

They DID add in a command to give you the location of your corpse. See, I played it OLD SCHOOL, before Turbine had to put in such commands to hold your hand.

Originally posted by grimal

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Rokurgepta

 

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just got my 6th character slot of an extra bag slot just by trading gold for gems no real money needed:)

How much gold does that cost? I might be interested in doing that too.

I saw someone range it at between 2-4g, depending on the market.

Originally posted by cahenderson

They DID add in a command to give you the location of your corpse. See, I played it OLD SCHOOL, before Turbine had to put in such commands to hold your hand.

Dude, no way, you're a total liar.   Stop spreading lies around.

I joke, I joke.

Originally posted by Justsomenoob

Originally posted by Zezda

I know how fond everyone is of the xfire stats on this site :-p

http://www.xfire.com/genre/mmo/massively_multiplayer_online/

 

 

Launch day for MoP and it's still behind. Not looking too good I would say.

 

That's pretty remarkable.

 

Sure WoW is only barely behind, but the fact that it's behind at all says a lot for how popular GW2 is.

We all know xfire doesnt mean much....but clicking on that link right now shows wow more than double GW2....stop quoting pre expansion lol

Originally posted by Chrisbox
Talk about it on this forum all you want but the Results for MoP were HUGE without a doubt.  My realm went from borderline low pop to borderline high, ive never felt such a mass presence in this game since classic. 

It's a good game. 

Here is a comparison on abilities my WoW Warlock and my GW2 necro

http://www.wowhead.com/class=9#abilities

Warlock  = 142 abilities across 3 specializations Affliction, Demonolgy, Destruction

Necro = 67 abilities 25 main abilities, 14 water abilites,  20 utilities, 8 down state (4/water, 4 land) 

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/List_of_necromancer_skills

Take away the necro's the 18 water abilities, since 95% of the time you wont be able to use them The necro is left with about 50 abilities. OOOF which only 15 at a time can be used. 

Originally posted by bcbully

Here is a comparison on abilities my WoW Warlock and my GW2 necro

http://www.wowhead.com/class=9#abilities

Warlock  = 142 abilities across 3 specializations Affliction, Demonolgy, Destruction

Necro = 67 abilities 25 main abilities, 14 water abilites,  20 utilities, 8 down state (4/water, 4 land) 

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/List_of_necromancer_skills

Take away the necro's the 18 water abilities, since 95% of the time you wont be able to use them The necro is left with about 50 abilities. OOOF which only 15 at a time can be used. 

Well it's not like one would ever use all 142 abilities that a Warlock has in WoW, since there is an optimal build and all. From my past experience in WoW, i've only ever needed to use about 5 - 10 abilities max, maybe about 5 more depending on whether it's PVP or PVE.

Also, what does this response have to do with the increase in the population of WoW servers?

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by Chrisbox
Talk about it on this forum all you want but the Results for MoP were HUGE without a doubt.  My realm went from borderline low pop to borderline high, ive never felt such a mass presence in this game since classic. 

It's a good game. 

 

Here is a comparison on abilities my WoW Warlock and my GW2 necro

http://www.wowhead.com/class=9#abilities

Warlock  = 142 abilities across 3 specializations Affliction, Demonolgy, Destruction

 

Necro = 67 abilities 25 main abilities, 14 water abilites,  20 utilities, 8 down state (4/water, 4 land) 

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/List_of_necromancer_skills

 

Take away the necro's the 18 water abilities, since 95% of the time you wont be able to use them The necro is left with about 50 abilities. OOOF which only 15 at a time can be used. 

Well, you're comparing a game with a game + 4 expansions.

And you might want do the math again, since you're counting on specializations you might throw traits in there too.

Originally posted by gestalt11

Originally posted by SnarlingWolf

Originally posted by Volkon

Originally posted by SnarlingWolf

Actually one of the reasons I hate GW2 is it is, outside of a couple of hidden jump puzzles, 100% hand holding. GW2 guided me every step of the way and told me exactly what to do and where to go. It marked the map with the stuff I needed to go to. It walked me step by step on getting to my next story quest every time.

Sounds like someone spent his time following hearts rather than actually exploring. The hearts were added later in development when testing showed that most testers would simply wander about aimlessly and not actually join in dynamic events ("I didn't have a quest for that"). So hearts were added to the game/map to give those that need it somewhere to go and begin the acclimation process to dynamic events. The idea is to go to a heart, do the tasks and get drawn away by events.

 

Events will show up on the map if they're in your immediate area. Jumping puzzles, hidden chests and areas... these don't show up and require exploration. Every zone has at least one jumping puzzle and various hidden chests waiting for the worthy explorer.

 

GW2 wasn't holding your hand and guiding your every step... you refused to let go of the hand.

 

I know you love this game and can't accept the reality of the situation so all you ever do is attack others, which was my point to your first post and will be my point to this one.

 

I explored, I did secret jumping puzzles, I talked to NPCs to kick off the "dynamic" events. The game is a MASSIVE handholding game and to deny that is utter ridiculousness that can't even be measured. The funny thing is, you are the one that made handholding the bad thing. Then when it was pointed out how much handholding GW2 does, you had to struggle to defend that position.

 

Try playing games that actually don't hold your hand. I played Asheron's Call at release and still play it today. You know what they showed you? Nothing. They didn't highlight quest givers, they didn't show you where to go on the map, they didn't tell you where or even how to complete a quest. You didn't even know for sure if an NPC was telling you about a quest or was just telling you lore as there was no "Hey you just got assigned a quest" feature. You TRULY had to explore the world to find out. That is a game that does not hold hands. They've since added a bit more direction but it is a tiny fraction compared to most modern theme parks and especially GW2.

 

All you do in every thread is come up with some insult to people who don't like GW2 and throw out random non-facts like those who left GW2 must need a game that holds your hand when GW2 is one of the most hand holding games ever released.

Define handholding.

That tends to be a subjective.  Some people are most comfortable with the old form of quest. Something vague like "Something in the world needs doing, go do it" ^^  Others are not at all amused, or entertained by such.  The rise of clue sites on the internet, has demonstrated that reality. 

The phrase "hand holding" tends to be used by the "challenge" brigade, to look down on anyone who doesn't agree with their lofty definitions.  Its an all too human trait, to insist on pulling others down, to build oneself up. 

At least part of the hatred directed at WoW is due to some peoples need to do that, and their rose colored memories of games gone past.  I started these games with UO, so I've seen their evolution as they have gone main stream. 

Originally posted by Carnafex
What amazes me about Xfire stats is people's inability to see beyond the slopes of lines or pieces of pie.  Even with GW2 drop in hours played, they are still sitting higher on hours played than WoW was pre-MoP; with nearly the same sample population (i.e. Xfire users) and are not subtantially off WoW's post-launch numbers (two days in).

This is true but it's way too early. Don't forget: It's a marathon, not a 100 m sprint. Give it 2-3 weeks before we can analyze the results.

Originally posted by Carnafex
What amazes me about Xfire stats is people's inability to see beyond the slopes of lines or pieces of pie.  Even with GW2 drop in hours played, they are still sitting higher on hours played than WoW was pre-MoP; with nearly the same sample population (i.e. Xfire users) and are not subtantially off WoW's post-launch numbers (two days in).

What amaizes me is the people that dont discount the folks bragging about GW2 being higher right before MoP launched...but then attack someone who points out that its not the case anymore....;)

But just to delve into your point for a moment, GW2 is the only high profile MMO to launch during a big down time in WoW. SWTOR sold as many copied as GW2, but launched at the same time as Dragon Soul. GW2 launched when there hadn't been new content released in wow for 10 months.

Originally posted by Enigmatus

Originally posted by bcbully

Here is a comparison on abilities my WoW Warlock and my GW2 necro

http://www.wowhead.com/class=9#abilities

Warlock  = 142 abilities across 3 specializations Affliction, Demonolgy, Destruction

Necro = 67 abilities 25 main abilities, 14 water abilites,  20 utilities, 8 down state (4/water, 4 land) 

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/List_of_necromancer_skills

Take away the necro's the 18 water abilities, since 95% of the time you wont be able to use them The necro is left with about 50 abilities. OOOF which only 15 at a time can be used. 

Well it's not like one would ever use all 142 abilities that a Warlock has in WoW, since there is an optimal build and all. From my past experience in WoW, i've only ever needed to use about 5 - 10 abilities max, maybe about 5 more depending on whether it's PVP or PVE.

Also, what does this response have to do with the increase in the population of WoW servers?

He takes any opportunity to point out GW2's shortcomings. It's a welcome attitude, but most of the time he comes off as simply trying too hard. This skillset comparison is an example: making a "by-the-numbers" comparison of a vanilla and a 4-expansion game. He also didn't count traits from GW2.

Originally posted by doodphace

Originally posted by Carnafex
What amazes me about Xfire stats is people's inability to see beyond the slopes of lines or pieces of pie.  Even with GW2 drop in hours played, they are still sitting higher on hours played than WoW was pre-MoP; with nearly the same sample population (i.e. Xfire users) and are not subtantially off WoW's post-launch numbers (two days in).

What amaizes me is the people that dont discount the folks bragging about GW2 being higher right before MoP launched...but then attack someone who points out that its not the case anymore....;)

But just to delve into your point for a moment, GW2 is the only high profile MMO to launch during a big down time in WoW. SWTOR sold as many copied as GW2, but launched at the same time as Dragon Soul. GW2 launched when there hadn't been new content released in wow for 10 months.

Didn't RIFT do something similar? Release during Cata when the game took an arrow to the kneecap of their playerbase?