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  Admin

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Gaming is life...

9/27/12 7:34:02 PM#21
Originally posted by saylorxi
I regulary use this site for news, though I don't post much as you can see. I cannot stand ads and myself have an adblocker in place. What I actually wouldn't mind doing is throwing the site a few bucks in return for not having ads show up on my site. I am someone who has a disposable income that I don't mind supporting the sites I use but haven't really seen an option for something like this.Do you have a members plus option or something similar? I would much prefer this option over seeing my  window cluttered.

This is an option we are considering.  If we do this it will only be to disable ads - we won't give any special member benefits like other sites do with special access to beta keys, etc.  We really want to keep the site 100% free to all users.

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  Kaspanova

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"Do or do not, there is no try." - Morpheus

9/27/12 7:35:56 PM#22

I will whitelist you, but please be careful about what ads you are placing where.

You currently have a animated advert for SMITE which is like a blinker. Yeah ok its lightning, but that flashing brightly everytime I click or reload a page is very off putting. 

I would rather look at 20 static ads on a page with my article, than 2 flashing 'attention grabbers' alongside my text.

Also, thanks guys for the interesting reads.

  BillMurphy

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Joined: 7/28/06
Posts: 1770

9/27/12 7:36:25 PM#23

@Meddyck: We're not trying to annoy you. This site's content, game conference visits, hosting, bandwidth, and so much more all cost money. Lots more than you'd expect. The site simply would not exist, not would any gaming site really, without ad revenue. There IS no other way to support sites of this size. Plus, I mean, it's not like we can charge a subscription. Everyone knows F2P is the new trend. :) (This is a joke, btw.)

  saylorxi

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Joined: 12/19/10
Posts: 14

9/27/12 7:38:22 PM#24
Originally posted by Admin
Originally posted by saylorxi
I regulary use this site for news, though I don't post much as you can see. I cannot stand ads and myself have an adblocker in place. What I actually wouldn't mind doing is throwing the site a few bucks in return for not having ads show up on my site. I am someone who has a disposable income that I don't mind supporting the sites I use but haven't really seen an option for something like this.Do you have a members plus option or something similar? I would much prefer this option over seeing my  window cluttered.

This is an option we are considering.  If we do this it will only be to disable ads - we won't give any special member benefits like other sites do with special access to beta keys, etc.  We really want to keep the site 100% free to all users.

 

Thats all I'm really asking for is an option to remove ads. I enjoy reading the debates and the news features on this site, there are plenty others out there which fullfill my other needs. Keep us updated and thanks for the great work here!

  Tardcore

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"A strange game. The only winning move is not to post."

9/27/12 7:46:52 PM#25
Originally posted by Admin
Originally posted by Worstluck
I realize you guys make money from ads, however, I would not be clicking on said ads regardless so I block them for safety and just to make the page readable.  Now will I permanently have a big red bar accross the top of the page?

It does not matter if you click the ads.  We sell ads based on impressions, not clicks/results.  So even if you don't click the ads you hurt our entire site by running a blocker.  Running adblock on a site that supports itself with advertisements is no different than downloading pirated movies, music or video games.  You are in a sense stealing our content that we work hard to create and pay to an entire team to create.

And a site like yours shirivels up and dies if it does not have a committed community. Its very much a two way street.

Might want to think hard about that before throwing around these kinds of accusations.

"Gypsies, tramps, and thieves, we were called by the Admin of the site . . . "

  VirusDancer

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Joined: 11/18/04
Posts: 3684

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9/27/12 7:46:53 PM#26

This is a tough one.  I have a feeling that having others whitelist the site is not exactly going to help.  I mean, sure, it will help a little - but there is a general feeling that I have that it goes far beyond that.  I never really paid attention to the actual numbers up there:

Games:569  Guilds:3,218
Members:1,834,180  Online:190
Guests:2,389  Posts:5,143,681
 

But it feels like there are fewer people.  To an extent, I base that off of the almost complete lack of discussion about MoP in comparison to the discussion that took place back with Cata.  The site feels very unfriendly to the WoW playerbase, and there isn't the discussion one might expect to be taking place as if they were here.

To an extent, it goes beyond that.  While each new game/expansion that came out tended to result in an increased amount of posts regarding that, there's been nothing like what we've seen with the GW2 crowd.  In almost any discussion of other games, you can find the GW2 crowd trolling those sections.  It's hard to discuss things without somebody coming in and chirping in that the game sucks and would be much better if it were GW2.

So with the mass of constant GW2 threads - which was expected - and the addition of the GW2 trolling invasion of other games - which was not expected... the already trolled into oblivion WoW players....

...well, there's just that feeling that the traffic here is not what it was.

Well, unless you check out Alexa and see that for at least a 3-month period that the site has been in decline...

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  Worstluck

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Joined: 1/29/11
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9/27/12 7:53:02 PM#27

I've whitelisted the site...However, please don't call me a pirate again for 'stealing' your content.  I gladly thank you for providing me a place to discuss MMO's and games in general, but I don't like being insulted by the staff.  Thanks.

  tabindex

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Joined: 4/28/12
Posts: 75

9/27/12 8:00:44 PM#28

The half naked girls in the ads are one of the draws that keep me coming back here.  Reading the interesting forums and seeing videos and hearing about new games is the other thing.

 

Also, has there been any thought to requesting donations?  I would donate if it offered immunity from temporary bans for trolling.

  lizardbones

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9/27/12 8:03:05 PM#29

I do not block ads, but I do have a script blocker. Unless someone can guarantee I will not get anymore automated script root attempts, I do not see myself allowing scripts from untrusted sources.

** edit **

Just wanted to be clear, the scripts weren't loading from MMORPG.com. It was doubleclick or one of the other advertising only networks it was coming from. I don't want to be a thorn in the side of a great site, but there's a limit to how much risk I'm going to take to view a website.

I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  MikeB

MMORPG.com Community Manager

Joined: 5/27/09
Posts: 5461

 
OP  9/27/12 8:03:23 PM#30
Originally posted by tabindex

The half naked girls in the ads are one of the draws that keep me coming back here.  Reading the interesting forums and seeing videos and hearing about new games is the other thing.

 

Also, has there been any thought to requesting donations?  I would donate if it offered immunity from temporary bans for trolling.

LOL! If we ever did a subscription type thing, it would NOT provide you immunity from the banhammer. Sorry!

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  Yizle

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Joined: 4/24/10
Posts: 530

9/27/12 8:03:57 PM#31
Originally posted by tabindex

 

Also, has there been any thought to requesting donations?  I would donate if it offered immunity from temporary bans for trolling.

Or people who donate can flag/ban trolls for even longer.

  BillMurphy

Managing Editor

Joined: 7/28/06
Posts: 1770

9/27/12 8:04:56 PM#32
Originally posted by VirusDancer

 

...well, there's just that feeling that the traffic here is not what it was.

Well, unless you check out Alexa and see that for at least a 3-month period that the site has been in decline...

Believe it or not, Alexa isn't the best resource. We were up in 2011 over 2010, and we're up in 2012 over 2011.  Largely because of games like GW2, and SWTOR, absolutely.  In my time here as a member, and as a staff member we've never really been a place for WoW fans.  The community doesn't support the game, like they do say... EVE.  

A few years ago, 15% of folks used ad blockers.  Now, it's more like 40%.  You can begin to understand why a trend like that might have a site like ours making a kindly proactive request to users who believe in what we do.  And we do thank those who white-list us.  Believe me... my house, car, and food thank you.  :)

  saylorxi

Apprentice Member

Joined: 12/19/10
Posts: 14

9/27/12 8:05:05 PM#33
Originally posted by Tardcore
Originally posted by Admin
Originally posted by Worstluck
I realize you guys make money from ads, however, I would not be clicking on said ads regardless so I block them for safety and just to make the page readable.  Now will I permanently have a big red bar accross the top of the page?

It does not matter if you click the ads.  We sell ads based on impressions, not clicks/results.  So even if you don't click the ads you hurt our entire site by running a blocker.  Running adblock on a site that supports itself with advertisements is no different than downloading pirated movies, music or video games.  You are in a sense stealing our content that we work hard to create and pay to an entire team to create.

And a site like yours shirivels up and dies if it does not have a committed community. Its very much a two way street.

Might want to think hard about that before throwing around these kinds of accusations.

Without going to far off topic I agree with this post. If you discuss this topic with musicians you tend to hear why exactly attacking consumers who participate in these topics is a bad thing. While content creators (eg web sites, musicians, authors ect) see everyone who uses there content as someone who would have paid for the content if they had not downloaded it. There are many, many people who would refuse to pay for the content (in the context of this discussion they would refuse to visit this site) who support the content in indirect ways such as sampling before buying or advertising by word of mouths/reviews. It is not a black and white discussion, there are shades of grey.

Take me for example, I would pay to  have and ad free site, but I would not come to this site at all if I had to see the ads. I am constantly referring people who do not use an adblocker to this site. So while they may not collect revenue from me directly, they are getting profits indirectly from people I refer who would not otherwise come here.

  User Deleted
9/27/12 8:06:08 PM#34
Originally posted by MikeB
Originally posted by tabindex

The half naked girls in the ads are one of the draws that keep me coming back here.  Reading the interesting forums and seeing videos and hearing about new games is the other thing.

 

Also, has there been any thought to requesting donations?  I would donate if it offered immunity from temporary bans for trolling.

LOL! If we ever did a subscription type thing, it would NOT provide you immunity from the banhammer. Sorry!

 

:-(

  gigat

Advanced Member

Joined: 6/24/10
Posts: 606

9/27/12 8:06:39 PM#35
Originally posted by tabindex

The half naked girls in the ads are one of the draws that keep me coming back here.  Reading the interesting forums and seeing videos and hearing about new games is the other thing.

 

Also, has there been any thought to requesting donations?  I would donate if it offered immunity from temporary bans for trolling.

Can I donate to get ads that only show half naked girls?

Joking of course

 

Seriously though, how bout some Victoria's Secret ads?

  RocSek

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Joined: 4/12/08
Posts: 59

9/27/12 8:11:55 PM#36
Originally posted by Admin
Originally posted by Worstluck
I realize you guys make money from ads, however, I would not be clicking on said ads regardless so I block them for safety and just to make the page readable.  Now will I permanently have a big red bar accross the top of the page?

It does not matter if you click the ads.  We sell ads based on impressions, not clicks/results.  So even if you don't click the ads you hurt our entire site by running a blocker.  Running adblock on a site that supports itself with advertisements is no different than downloading pirated movies, music or video games.  You are in a sense stealing our content that we work hard to create and pay to an entire team to create.

This is flat out wrong. If you want to "Stop people from stealing your content" then make all the infomation password protected, and charge people to access it. But to say we are stealing your content because we choose to block ads is ridiculous. And who ever typed this behind the anonymous "Admin" account should be fired.

All I heard was... "Well aren't you just a little lolly pop triple dipped in psycho."

  saylorxi

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Joined: 12/19/10
Posts: 14

9/27/12 8:12:35 PM#37
Originally posted by gigat
Originally posted by tabindex

The half naked girls in the ads are one of the draws that keep me coming back here.  Reading the interesting forums and seeing videos and hearing about new games is the other thing.

 

Also, has there been any thought to requesting donations?  I would donate if it offered immunity from temporary bans for trolling.

Can I donate to get ads that only show half naked girls?

Joking of course

 

Seriously though, how bout some Victoria's Secret ads?

 

Haha! Apparently the marketing department just has to shift there focus and we all would be happy.

  boobits

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Joined: 4/26/04
Posts: 28

9/27/12 8:13:21 PM#38

Sorry but turning it off turns the site into a mess. Ads everywhere. I don't mind the site but I'm slowly being drawn away to other websites with a cleaner look and I find myself coming here less and less anyways. Your layout is outdated and far too messy IMO.

 

I also suggest  running the Noscript addon.

  Admin

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Joined: 1/29/02
Posts: 4987

Gaming is life...

9/27/12 8:13:31 PM#39
Originally posted by gigat
Originally posted by tabindex

The half naked girls in the ads are one of the draws that keep me coming back here.  Reading the interesting forums and seeing videos and hearing about new games is the other thing.

 

Also, has there been any thought to requesting donations?  I would donate if it offered immunity from temporary bans for trolling.

Can I donate to get ads that only show half naked girls?

Joking of course

 

Seriously though, how bout some Victoria's Secret ads?

Classic :)  Likely not, but I think there are plenty of sites out there you can "donate" to in order to see half (or fully) naked girls ;-)

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  Ichmen

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9/27/12 8:23:54 PM#40
Originally posted by RocSek
Originally posted by Admin
Originally posted by Worstluck
I realize you guys make money from ads, however, I would not be clicking on said ads regardless so I block them for safety and just to make the page readable.  Now will I permanently have a big red bar accross the top of the page?

It does not matter if you click the ads.  We sell ads based on impressions, not clicks/results.  So even if you don't click the ads you hurt our entire site by running a blocker.  Running adblock on a site that supports itself with advertisements is no different than downloading pirated movies, music or video games.  You are in a sense stealing our content that we work hard to create and pay to an entire team to create.

This is flat out wrong. If you want to "Stop people from stealing your content" then make all the infomation password protected, and charge people to access it. But to say we are stealing your content because we choose to block ads is ridiculous. And who ever typed this behind the anonymous "Admin" account should be fired.

i quite agree with this.  because the admin account just called me a pirate for reading game reviews/game content provided by 3rd party game studios  i will not be whitelisting mmorpg.  i use adblocker for youtube and some facebook crap ads.

should mmorpg find another source of income that does not require me to disable my adblocking (as i view all adware as hazerdous and quite annoying) i would have no issue whitelisting them for its access. should they not throw out insulting comments as "you pirate our content by adblocking". 

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