Originally posted by halflife25

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/Bots-Overrun-Guild-Wars-2/first#post258913

I really enjoyed this article and agree with the conclusion.

Clearly botting is just too easy in Guild Wars 2 and the only people it is hurting are the legit players who will quickly begin to lose interest in the game if ArenaNet does nothing to acknowledge this problem in a bigger, more aggressive way.

Really? I have yet to see any botters but then maybe it is because I don't let them get in the way of enjoying the game. I am level 64, having a blast, fully immersed and loving the game :)

Originally posted by TeknoBug

 

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Originally posted by Raekon

Do you even know that the trading post were indeed available even the first days or weeks to some?

 

Except if you are THAT full of yourself  thinking that only because it wasn't for you it wasn't for anyone.

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Um... Arenanet actually said the TP was down for EVERYONE when it happened, it wasn't available to certain people, what BS.

 

Did I say that it was on the whole time?

If you don't understand something you read then ask first before you start blaming someone?

Thanks in advance!

Originally posted by kitarad
Yes it was down and they acknowledged it. How come people are lying about that now ? Sure does not give them any credibility just mad fanboism.

No one is lying about anything, it was up for like 20 minutes at times and other times for several hours for testing purposes.

During that time some had access while others didn't, they even wrote about that so maybe you should first ask if you don't undrestand something instead calling others liars immediately.

Thanks!

This might come as a shock to people that haven't played past level 60 and think GW2 is the best thing since sliced bread.  But you'd be hard pressed to design a better system for botters.

From the completey insane legendary requirements, to the predicatable spawn and event timers, and down to the simplistiic and boring node gathering system.

Good luck getting rid of botting in GW2.  ANet had bigger issues to fix then catching bots.

Originally posted by Raekon

You are the one to talk ehh?

- Yes, I'm the one to talk because you started it by being immediately offended only because I had a different opinion and because I said that its not entirely true that the "game" (yes you didn't say your server, you said the game) is filled with bots.

I am sorry but do you want me to break down every servers population for you? ofcourse i will say game has lots of bots. Even Anet acknowledged that. So what kind of proof you are looking for exactly? if botting problem wasn't sever Anet wouldn't take notice of it. I think they have better understanding of how many bots are running around in the game. However, players can only make opinion on basis of amount of complaints on forums and what they see in game.

So if i never come across a single bot or only say couple of bots in weeks doesn't mean i will go around telling people 'it is just a minor' problem. That is what you were trying to imply here. You didn't see a lot of bots on your server so problem isn't severe. Sorry but the world doesn't revolve around you.

And i did mention that TP was on for couple of hours a day and it used to go down again. it happened for a week or so and then it went down for good for another week. But if you are going to say it was continuously avilable to some for weeks while others had zero access to TP,  then you are just bull sh** me and i am not buying it.

- Did I say anywhere that it was on the whole week?

the TP was indeed online in between but not everyone had access, I know it because I was wondering myself when I all of sudden had access and when I asked others in LA, they told me they didn't.

At a later point ANet indeed said that they are making it available to some for testing purposes for a few hours daily before they will be bringing it up again. So at times I had access some of the others didn't and when I didn't, they had access.

After that they started bringing it up for everyone for a few hours and taking it back down again.

Once again, my topic isn't about TP. There is difference between saying TP didn't go down at all and saying that TP was down most of the day with ocassional 2 to 3 hours up time. Go back and re read the original post i quoted. There was no argument to begin with.

Topic was about 'botting' till you and the other genteleman tried to derial it into something it wasn't.

- I also talked about botting and nothing else so why say I derailed the thread?

Wanna play the blame game now or what?

You are more concerned about what i said about TP being down rather than my original topic which is about botting. Even accusing me for spreading negativity.

It is very easy to ignore the topic you don't like and focus on somethign you like? i don't think anyone forced you to read this?

- I posted in other topics aswell and since you were offended by my question before asking if you needed my permission, I could go ahead and ask you the same question now after what you just wrote?

Dude..Stop saying word 'offended' oer and over again. I am not offended but i do grow tried of obnoxious attitude of fans who get up in arms moment something negative is posted about GW2 no matter how genuine and relevant.

I have no problem if you didn't come across any bots, but in situtaions like this you look at the majority and not the experince of minority. Just like how people claim GW2 has no bugs and one just needs to have a look at BUG SECTION to see the whole picture. Fans like you will always deny everything. No surprise there.  But reality is that BOTTING is a serious issue. And i care because i like this game.

- Aha!  With other words me and others that didn't came across bots for the last few weeks are not worthy enough to share their experience with the game on their server cause our opinion is  "minor" while you and your opinion are "major"?

I guess that's why what I say is immediately surpressed by you saying I'm in denial and "oversimplify" things right?

Probably because your exaggeration wouldn't be as valid then anymore?

Reading comprehension problems? when did i say your opinion is minor? didn't i made it clear that it is allright if you didn't come across any botters but why try to hold your experince as some objective truth and shrug of the problem saying it is 'minor' or that people are just exaggerating it? all the posts that people post regularly on official forums, screenshots and videos.are those all lies? if problem is not as server as you claim it to be Anet is not the company that would just acknowledge it for the fun. I am sure they have lot of serious issues to deal with right now.

And over simplification and just denying that you didn't see bots outside Divinity(s reach so it must be not a serious problem is also not a justification.

- Good job on trying to turn my own words in my mouth while turning everything else the way it suited you so you can prove your point cause I'm such a "bad person" that denies and derails everything. Laughable to say the least.

Or did you miss that I had wrote the following: It might be the case that you have some on your server, I can't tell,

It's not oversimplification when one says I was at that place on my server and it was bots free so it might be your server as also that it's not the same on every server. It's the truth.

The truth is that, i could give a damn about your server and your experince. Your experince against the experince of thousands and acknowledgement by Anet regarding boting is all the truth i need.

If you had simply come in to share your experince and say 'hey guys maybe i am lucky to be on server which has no bots.' i would understand but what  you are trying to do here is using your own personal experince to undermine the whole botting problem and simply labeling it as an 'exaggeration' or 'minor' problem.

 

If you wanna exaggerate further then go ahead and do as if half of the servers population are bots like a other guy already did.

I don't need to exaggerate anything. There is plenty of information about it on official forums and for those who are ready to acknowledge the problem with an open and un biased mind they would realise that botting is severe and not somethign to just shurg off.

I love ANet. I really love GW2.

Botting is a serious problem. However, the responsibility is shared between both ANet AND players.

Hackers are not stupid. For every defense someone makes, there will be a new attack. ANet will need to get on the ball in defending against the most rampant hacks. Right now, ANet has been using a tourniquet (anti-farm code) to stop the bleeding, but  keep a tourniquet on too long and the whole game starts to atrophy.

However, there is a reason botters bot: to make money. Players purchasing gold are equal in the blame.

As long as there is a market, botters will continue to attempt to hack. ANet is fighting a battle on two fronts: killing botters/sellers and perma-banning the buyers.

I'm assuming they will attempt to ban bots in one fell swoop to avoid them figuring out bot detection methods. However, something needs to be done soon.

And I mean SOON.

Originally posted by Vorch

I'm assuming they will attempt to ban bots in one fell swoop to avoid them figuring out bot detection methods. However, something needs to be done soon.

 

And I mean SOON.

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/366025/Anet-Speaks-on-Botting.html

/thread

Originally posted by Stx11

Originally posted by Vorch

I'm assuming they will attempt to ban bots in one fell swoop to avoid them figuring out bot detection methods. However, something needs to be done soon.

 

And I mean SOON.

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/366025/Anet-Speaks-on-Botting.html

/thread

And now I love them even more. Took a bit longer than I would have liked, but they seem to have their shiz together.

Originally posted by Sentime

This might come as a shock to people that haven't played past level 60 and think GW2 is the best thing since sliced bread.  But you'd be hard pressed to design a better system for botters.

From the completey insane legendary requirements, to the predicatable spawn and event timers, and down to the simplistiic and boring node gathering system.

Good luck getting rid of botting in GW2.  ANet had bigger issues to fix then catching bots.

Hold on are you saying botting in Orr would be easy?  Are you sure you made it past 75? 

Please describe to me an easy way to bot orichalum gathering.  I would like to know.

Originally posted by halflife25

Originally posted by moguy2
It isnt the botters that are ruining it. It is the people that buy the currency from them that is ruining the game. Dont buy it and they have no reason to show up and bot. Viscious cycle huh?

I guess same can be said for those who sell drugs? they are not the one ruining people lives  it is the people who buy the drugs doing it to themselves. Drug dealers are after all just providing a service right?

The people who buy the drugs ARE doing it to themselves, no demand = no need for a supply.

You proved the other posters point with your poorly formed analogy.

Originally posted by Eletheryl

Originally posted by Dragonantis

GW2 isnt the first game to suffer bots, and you can bet it wont be the last.

My recommendation is do your part as a player, dont buy gold, dont visit gold sites, and report any bot you see.

You know?, in the last 7 months a game like swtor didnt have a single bot or goldspammer, and you can find more games out there in the same situation, so having bots, hackers and goldspammers is not an excuse even worse when anet is doing nothing. 

 If you dont see gold sellers it means the game is not worth them getting into. You are here spreading misinformation AGAIN. You dont like Gw2 and you are obvious about it.

Saying Anet is doing nothing is a blatant lie.

Originally posted by GolbezTheLion

Originally posted by halflife25

Originally posted by moguy2
It isnt the botters that are ruining it. It is the people that buy the currency from them that is ruining the game. Dont buy it and they have no reason to show up and bot. Viscious cycle huh?

I guess same can be said for those who sell drugs? they are not the one ruining people lives  it is the people who buy the drugs doing it to themselves. Drug dealers are after all just providing a service right?

The people who buy the drugs ARE doing it to themselves, no demand = no need for a supply.

You proved the other posters point with your poorly formed analogy.

 

And you just proved ince again that how easy is it to always blame the players for everything.Anet must be out of their mind to waste all this time on bots and gold sellers right? and my analogy is a perfect example about deman and supply. Not that i agree with your views.

All i can say is that i haven´t seen a single farming BoT since headstart in my EU Spanish server.

Just some gold spaming to my in-game mail...like in every other MMO i´ve played...nothing more...

But that´s just my experience so far...

I applaud ArenaNet for fighting them where ever they are though.

I'm on Devona's Rest server and it is over run with bots. Everywhere I go there are groups of bots. I've reported every bot /i see and they're still there. I think on this server there are more bots than actual players.

Has Anet said anything about fixing this?

Originally posted by halflife25

Originally posted by GolbezTheLion

Originally posted by halflife25

Originally posted by moguy2
It isnt the botters that are ruining it. It is the people that buy the currency from them that is ruining the game. Dont buy it and they have no reason to show up and bot. Viscious cycle huh?

I guess same can be said for those who sell drugs? they are not the one ruining people lives  it is the people who buy the drugs doing it to themselves. Drug dealers are after all just providing a service right?

The people who buy the drugs ARE doing it to themselves, no demand = no need for a supply.

You proved the other posters point with your poorly formed analogy.

 

And you just proved ince again that how easy is it to always blame the players for everything.Anet must be out of their mind to waste all this time on bots and gold sellers right? and my analogy is a perfect example about deman and supply. Not that i agree with your views.

But he has a valid point. If drugs are such a huge problem, like hackers and gold sellers, then why hasn't the government been able to get rid of each and every one of these? Becuase there are so many of them, and not enough people to help catch them all. Is it the governments fault that there are drug sellers out there? No, and they put the effort in to stop them.

BTW, the government can track each and every transaction and item that comes into this company, so if you think "well GW2 made the game, so they should be able to regulate it easier", you're dead wrong. It takes the same amount of consideration on how much you want to effect the current people with this whole problem in either case. If you raise the standards on drug smuggling and the government cracks down more, it puts more strain on the average person who has nothing to do with drug deals. Same with GW2, the more you stop the methods of gold selling, the more GW2 has to crack down on the playerbase. They could get rid of any gold transactions, then they have to go to the TP and sell it that way. Then they have to track the TP for suspicious items and the people who buy it. All these factors hurt the general population of the game and none of it might actually fix the problem. Stop acting like you know exactly how a company is run or a game is operated, because honestly I can assure you that it isn't as easy as pushing a "ban all the gold sellers" button.

I see a lot of people saying "I haven't seen any bots". Understandably, that may lead you to underestimate the problem. This video shows just how bad it can get:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD7V86Zik3E

Remember, each of those bots is keeping a real player from joining.

Originally posted by ennymith

The reason Anet does not crack down on botters is that in reality, the bots are the creations of 'private contractors' hired by Anet to destroy any way of players gaining income in game, and the result is the ONLY feasible way to buy anything of value in the game is to Pay Anet either through the cash shop gem store, or through one of these contractors who pass it on to Anet.

This gives Anet plausible deniability.  Hey we are helpless, or we are doing what we can, or we will do something someday, blah, blah, blah, all the while raising prices of desireable items to heights that make Asian pay to win grindfests paltry.

Anet nicked the whole legendary gear thing from Perfect World, lock stock and barrel, and just renamed a few of the functions of the acquisition process. 

GW2's enconomy is pretty much destroyed, and end game content is overrun by bots.  No longer a AAA experience, but a massive SNAFU.

You have no proof whatsoever that Anet is behind the botting/botters. Maybe some Geodon might help with that paranoia.

Originally posted by halflife25

Originally posted by Raekon

I am sorry but do you want me to break down every servers population for you? ofcourse i will say game has lots of bots. Even Anet acknowledged that. So what kind of proof you are looking for exactly? if botting problem wasn't sever Anet wouldn't take notice of it. I think they have better understanding of how many bots are running around in the game. However, players can only make opinion on basis of amount of complaints on forums and what they see in game.

So if i never come across a single bot or only say couple of bots in weeks doesn't mean i will go around telling people 'it is just a minor' problem. That is what you were trying to imply here. You didn't see a lot of bots on your server so problem isn't severe. Sorry but the world doesn't revolve around you.

It's one thing to say that the game has lots of bots (at least at your server) but your threads title suggests that it was "overrun by bots" and that's simply not true.

If you don't "get" that yourself then it's obvious that you are the one with the "aknowledgment" problems here.

I never said that there aren't any nor did I ever say that botting it's not a serious problem.

What I'm trying to imply is simply that your topics title isn't true and then you go and put up everything you say as major while everything I say as minor, only because I'm one of 1000s that didn't came across bots for weeks anymore which shows that ANet already worked on the problem and are still working on it.

Once again, my topic isn't about TP. There is difference between saying TP didn't go down at all and saying that TP was down most of the day with ocassional 2 to 3 hours up time. Go back and re read the original post i quoted. There was no argument to begin with.

Someone else actually stated that it was a problem and you immediately wrote that it was down for "weeks".

Yes you said afterwards that it was occassionaly up.

You are more concerned about what i said about TP being down rather than my original topic which is about botting. Even accusing me for spreading negativity.

Excuse me but your topics title is a negativity spreading one.

Maybe you should thought what you typed there? Why not type "a article about botting" or similar?

Since you didnt and didnt even bothered to change it, it shows that you actually intend the negativity that brings with it to take place.

Dude..Stop saying word 'offended' oer and over again. I am not offended but i do grow tried of obnoxious attitude of fans who get up in arms moment something negative is posted about GW2 no matter how genuine and relevant.

Well if you would had checked my history, you would had seen that I'm not really like that.

However, if you don't want such arguments to take place, maybe you should overthink your attitude and sit down and think that denial even means before you throw the word at everyone that had a different opinion to you.

If I were in "denial" like you said several times to me, I wouldn't aknowledge the botting problem at all and that wasn't the case to even start with.

I implied that it was better on my server for the last few weeks and you go and thrust that aswell but saying that I'm "minority" while you are a "major" only because you saw threads about bots in the forums that are not visited for over 90% of the playerbase to even start with.

Saying that the game  is "overrun by bots", indicates that every server is filled with them and they are around every corner and that's simply not true.

Reading comprehension problems? when did i say your opinion is minor? didn't i made it clear that it is allright if you didn't come across any botters but why try to hold your experince as some objective truth and shrug of the problem saying it is 'minor' or that people are just exaggerating it? all the posts that people post regularly on official forums, screenshots and videos.are those all lies? if problem is not as server as you claim it to be Anet is not the company that would just acknowledge it for the fun. I am sure they have lot of serious issues to deal with right now.

Once again, saying that the game is overrun by bots is a exaggeration.

The truth is that, i could give a damn about your server and your experince. Your experince against the experince of thousands and acknowledgement by Anet regarding boting is all the truth i need.

If you had simply come in to share your experince and say 'hey guys maybe i am lucky to be on server which has no bots.' i would understand but what  you are trying to do here is using your own personal experince to undermine the whole botting problem and simply labeling it as an 'exaggeration' or 'minor' problem.

Compared to other games it is minor in GW2 and that's not based only on my experience alone but other peoples in the game aswell.

Have also tested and played almost every mmo available so I can really tell the difference cause there are games around that were and some still are infested by bots and gold sellers which isn't the case when it comes to GW2 so far.

There is definately a difference if EVERY server of a game is totally infested or only a few or just say some are affected while others barely.

If every server were full with bots and gold sellers so you can't even go to a area without coming across one or several, then you can tell that the game is "overrun by bots".

Since this isn't the case, the problem is minor compared to other games.

It also depends on what type of botting takes place and if that affects ones gameplay or not to even start with.

 I don't need to exaggerate anything. There is plenty of information about it on official forums and for those who are ready to acknowledge the problem with an open and un biased mind they would realise that botting is severe and not somethign to just shurg off.

There you go again. Your threads title is a exaggeration and  you are supporting it.

If you really wanted a good discussion about botting you could had asked about the peoples experiences, adding the article as a extra, instead of typing such a type of title and calling everyone that has a different opinion to yours because of facts, "in denial" or "biased" or too "close minded".

Originally posted by moguy2
It isnt the botters that are ruining it. It is the people that buy the currency from them that is ruining the game. Dont buy it and they have no reason to show up and bot. Viscious cycle huh?

That is why you cant trade directly but have to mail stuff, ANET can see that someone mailed you 50 gold.

Only way to get rid of the problem is banning people who buy gold which they have started with but havnt done enough yet.

But I think botting really isnt so bad as many say. It is far faster to hack accounts than to bot, something we seen more and more of in Wow. The stuff you can bot just aint enough to really be worth the work.

I been playing 200 hours, cant say I noticed any bots. That doesnt mean they arent there but I see the whole thing as a storm in a glass of water.

Get rid of people buying gold and it fixes itself. Check all mails with a lot of money in them, check who sent them and who received them. You would soon figure out who is a scumbag and who isnt.

Originally posted by Raekon

 

It's one thing to say that the game has lots of bots (at least at your server) but your threads title suggests that it was "overrun by bots" and that's simply not true.

Hahaha... go read the OP again....it is a topic i linked from official forums and no it is not my topic. You focus too much on title. and ignoring the real problem it is trying to highlight here.

If you don't "get" that yourself then it's obvious that you are the one with the "aknowledgment" problems here.

Acknowledge what? i still agree with that topic and since situtaion differs from server to server for others it could be indeed the scenario where their serveres are over run by bots.

I never said that there aren't any nor did I ever say that botting it's not a serious problem.

What I'm trying to imply is simply that your topics title isn't true and then you go and put up everything you say as major while everything I say as minor, only because I'm one of 1000s that didn't came across bots for weeks anymore which shows that ANet already worked on the problem and are still working on it.

And still you are moaning about the title. And yes people who says 'i played all the way to level 80 and came across 2 or 3 bugs' or those who says 'hey i never came across a single bot' are in minority. One just have to look at official forums to see daily topics about bots, videos and screenshots being posted to bring this to attention of Anet. So in cases like these i would rather believe the majority than obvious fans like you who would deny anything that would put GW2 in negative light. I don't think i eve need to say that your whole reason to continue post is to do 'damage control'.

Someone else actually stated that it was a problem and you immediately wrote that it was down for "weeks".

Yes you said afterwards that it was occassionaly up.

Actually i said both things in same reply. Yous eriusly need to read better.

Excuse me but your topics title is a negativity spreading one.

Maybe you should thought what you typed there? Why not type "a article about botting" or similar?

Since you didnt and didnt even bothered to change it, it shows that you actually intend the negativity that brings with it to take place.

Only because your opinion differs from rest or your doesn't mean that everything that doesn't confirm with your own opinions is automatically negative. Your overly emotional attachement with GW2 isn't my problem. 

Well if you would had checked my history, you would had seen that I'm not really like that.

However, if you don't want such arguments to take place, maybe you should overthink your attitude and sit down and think that denial even means before you throw the word at everyone that had a different opinion to you.

Once again, i never said that you don't have a different opinion or experince regarding bot problem. I even made it very clear that experince might vary from server to server. But problem is not that you are giving just your opinion but you were clearly  trying to down play the whole situation by saying 'hey i didn't come across many bots so problem is definitely not serious'. And i see fans doing that all the time. Trying to down play bugs and bots with comments like that. When official forums tell a different story.

If I were in "denial" like you said several times to me, I wouldn't aknowledge the botting problem at all and that wasn't the case to even start with.

I implied that it was better on my server for the last few weeks and you go and thrust that aswell but saying that I'm "minority" while you are a "major" only because you saw threads about bots in the forums that are not visited for over 90% of the playerbase to even start with.

Saying that the game  is "overrun by bots", indicates that every server is filled with them and they are around every corner and that's simply not true.

No the title simply indicates that botting is a serious issue and if one starts reading the daily topics about botting, one gets a feeling that GW2 is indeed beign over run by bots.

Once again, saying that the game is overrun by bots is a exaggeration.

lets agree to disagree here because your whole argument is stuck on the 'title'.

Compared to other games it is minor in GW2 and that's not based only on my experience alone but other peoples in the game aswell.

Yeah sure.... no surprise there. This is the problem. You don't simply give an opinion on matetr but try to down play the whole problem on basis of your own experince and well these alleged 'other' people. Who are these other people by the way?

Have also tested and played almost every mmo available so I can really tell the difference cause there are games around that were and some still are infested by bots and gold sellers which isn't the case when it comes to GW2 so far.

And my experince to you is totally different and i have also played every MMO on the market.

There is definately a difference if EVERY server of a game is totally infested or only a few or just say some are affected while others barely.

If every server were full with bots and gold sellers so you can't even go to a area without coming across one or several, then you can tell that the game is "overrun by bots".

Since this isn't the case, the problem is minor compared to other games.

It also depends on what type of botting takes place and if that affects ones gameplay or not to even start with.

When you are ready to look beyond the title of the topic i think we can continue this discussion. because right now it is getting really repetitive and tiring.

There you go again. Your threads title is a exaggeration and  you are supporting it.

If you really wanted a good discussion about botting you could had asked about the peoples experiences, adding the article as a extra, instead of typing such a type of title and calling everyone that has a different opinion to yours because of facts, "in denial" or "biased" or too "close minded".

Yes i am indeed supporting it. And i am already reading other players experince on official forums every day and since Anet acknowledged the problem, that is all the proof i need. As far as you being biased and in denial. Well since the only thing you have been focusing on is the 'title' again and again and completely shrugging of the real problem by calling it 'minor'. I don't think i was wrong about what i said.