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  drtack1

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9/26/12 7:35:49 AM#21

Yea I have run accross 12 archers all with bear pets in the Asura starter zone sitting in one spot. The pets do all the attacking and the archers just sit there. Funny thing is they all had those familiar names like "adsfrs" or "dfbejsi"

 

Hvanet seen anything else other then the occasional hacked account spamming buy gold here, or buy gold there.

 

Not sure why someone would need to buy gold seeing as there is nothing really to spend money on other then crafting. When I hit lvl 80 I used my crafting exp stone and all my gathered materials to max my crafting and still only spent about 2 gold buying things I may have needed from the NPC or from the market. 

 

I am sure if you just saved your money till lvl 80 and sold and rare+ items you received on the way to lvl 80 on the market you would have plenty of money even to buy the racial armor......

 

whats the point in buying gold, and to top it off if you buy gold from anyone just buy it from Arena Net in the form of jems........

  GeezerGamer

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9/26/12 7:37:36 AM#22
Originally posted by Requiem1066
Originally posted by bone12
Originally posted by halflife25

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/Bots-Overrun-Guild-Wars-2/first#post258913

I really enjoyed this article and agree with the conclusion.

Clearly botting is just too easy in Guild Wars 2 and the only people it is hurting are the legit players who will quickly begin to lose interest in the game if ArenaNet does nothing to acknowledge this problem in a bigger, more aggressive way.

 i doubt there are any bots in gw2 so far..

 

There are loads of bot's in Gw2 :/

 

Side topic ish Question:

With modern MMO's, Trading post's , Auction houses etc etc .. is there any need nowadays to allow direct Gold > player trading ?

Would it benifit or harm a game to only allow trading through such sources as a AH ?

 

I doubt that would ever happen, they need to maintian the values. But I have another question. Supposedly all gems in the game have been purchased by players.  What would they do if the number of players trading gold in for gems exceeds the number of players buyibuying gems and trading them back in for gold? Would they really stop the sales?  My concern would be that if enough gold farmers (Botters) were in the game, they could still have a real impact on the Gold to Gem Values.

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  Kalmarth

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9/26/12 7:45:57 AM#23
Originally posted by moguy2
It isnt the botters that are ruining it. It is the people that buy the currency from them that is ruining the game. Dont buy it and they have no reason to show up and bot. Viscious cycle huh?

Playing a game were everything is in a shop to be bought brings the botters, its the old fire triange, botter/product/consumer take anyone away and the fire goes out, sadly its normally the consumer :(

 

  Medicated03

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9/26/12 7:50:17 AM#24
Originally posted by kaiser3282
Originally posted by Medicated03

im a bit lost here, from the whole GW2 philosphy and the global trading post  and my time spent in game i had garnered the idea that gold in GW2 was next to useless, other than to fast track crafting .

Considering the lack of gear tiers and gear in general other than ledgendaries or a skin or 2 what does one need mass ammounts of gold for ? It seemed to me that gold was mostly a was to getting things  faster, its hard to see botting to sell gold in a game with this kinda economy and philosophy maintain itself  for a lenghty period of time.

Also with the worldwide trading post the market was always supposed to be unplayable, due to mass ammounts of most things for sale a number that only increases over time as people lvl alts etc....seems like the only real thing gold spammers are doing is hurting Anets gem sales , if they are undercut enough that is.

Im also curious as to how much difference it makes when you could already buy gold in game lol.

The game mechanics dont work like normal where bots would take all your spawns and make it difficult, they dont affect you running around doing your own thing thanks to the systems in place, so how exactly are they ruining a game or an economy( that you could already purcahse gold for real $ from )?????? taking $ from anets coffers is the only real thing they are doing, the people buying their gold are only doing so cause its cheaper than the gem-gold ratio.

Anyone care to help me understand how they are actually impacting the game in any other fashion ? It seems to me that alot of people buying the gold are probabaly just using it to buy items from the trading post or for WvWvW, if you were to buy gems with gold u bought of farmers you may as well just buy gems in the first place......as you buy the gold from farmers to get more bang for your buck outta gems right ?

WTF im lost.

Regarding your 2nd paragraph. It doesnt matter to the botters. Theyll bot and try to sell gold in ANY game. RF Online for example. No more than a few hundred people playing anymore, yet still infested with bots. Probably about half the population is bots.  Theyll do it regardless, as long as they can make evn a iny bit of profit. It doesnt really take any actual work on their part, after all theyre just running a bot and then have to type in someones name to send them gold.

I totally agree but at least with low pop games like RF the people playing there are jousting for the most power, the best gear etc etc, thats a struggle that cant occur in GW2 other than some skins, thats the reason i cant see it in the same light as most games the bots sell gold in, the sheer lack of need for gold after a certain point and no real way to achieve power with it.

However as most of the boosts etc come from gem items(and your buying gold because its cheaper than selling gems), if the gold sellers start using the gold they farm to buy gems off the player market (prob result in mass gem price drop and value)  and undercutting anet on CS items, THAT would be a larger problem. Guess i just answered my own question

lol

  Nevulus

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9/26/12 8:01:10 AM#25
Originally posted by bone12
....... and i doubt there are any bots in gw2 so far..

 

and if there are they just waste time on making bots.. pretty useless to do in gw2.

Come to Fort Aspenwood server, Cursed Shore lvl 80 area, Penitent Waypoint and the one SE to it, you will see group of bots alternating between there and 2 other spots. Same bots, everyday.

But please, keep doubting there are any bots at all. Denial is a wonderful thing

  ennymith

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9/26/12 8:02:38 AM#26

The reason Anet does not crack down on botters is that in reality, the bots are the creations of 'private contractors' hired by Anet to destroy any way of players gaining income in game, and the result is the ONLY feasible way to buy anything of value in the game is to Pay Anet either through the cash shop gem store, or through one of these contractors who pass it on to Anet.

This gives Anet plausible deniability.  Hey we are helpless, or we are doing what we can, or we will do something someday, blah, blah, blah, all the while raising prices of desireable items to heights that make Asian pay to win grindfests paltry.

Anet nicked the whole legendary gear thing from Perfect World, lock stock and barrel, and just renamed a few of the functions of the acquisition process. 

GW2's enconomy is pretty much destroyed, and end game content is overrun by bots.  No longer a AAA experience, but a massive SNAFU.

GW2, after 5 years of hype, turns out to be just another Asian end game cash shop grinder. Now that sales have dropped off, F2P can't be far off.

  Eletheryl

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9/26/12 8:25:08 AM#27
Originally posted by Dragonantis

GW2 isnt the first game to suffer bots, and you can bet it wont be the last.

My recommendation is do your part as a player, dont buy gold, dont visit gold sites, and report any bot you see.

You know?, in the last 7 months a game like swtor didnt have a single bot or goldspammer, and you can find more games out there in the same situation, so having bots, hackers and goldspammers is not an excuse even worse when anet is doing nothing. 

  TeknoBug

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9/26/12 8:43:39 AM#28


Originally posted by Thane

Originally posted by halflife25 https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/Bots-Overrun-Guild-Wars-2/first#post258913 I really enjoyed this article and agree with the conclusion. Clearly botting is just too easy in Guild Wars 2 and the only people it is hurting are the legit players who will quickly begin to lose interest in the game if ArenaNet does nothing to acknowledge this problem in a bigger, more aggressive way.
aaaah yes. that's sth completely unexpected ... sure.

or, if you ever played another mmo before, you are used to it in the beginning, and wait till they fixed it.



^ biggest denial I've ever seen, yes there are bots, I encounter them often and report them, and yes the trading post was down for a good solid week on the first week of launch and then pretty often the second week.


I just uploaded a video I recorded of spotting a handful of bots on the first week of release and there are still bots there today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFfJ6usuYkY


  TeknoBug

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9/26/12 8:47:23 AM#29


Originally posted by Eletheryl

Originally posted by Dragonantis GW2 isnt the first game to suffer bots, and you can bet it wont be the last. My recommendation is do your part as a player, dont buy gold, dont visit gold sites, and report any bot you see.
You know?, in the last 7 months a game like swtor didnt have a single bot or goldspammer, and you can find more games out there in the same situation, so having bots, hackers and goldspammers is not an excuse even worse when anet is doing nothing. 


In SWTOR there were, but at a lower number yet I got gold spam emails everyday in that game, ugh!


  fenistil

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9/26/12 8:49:02 AM#30

Not only bots.

Each time I log in I see new gold advertise spammers.

  Fadedbomb

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9/26/12 8:51:57 AM#31

NewsFlash: GW2 being a "BuyToPlay" product does not have the resources on hand to "deal with" and "track" hundreds of thousands of botters at once.

 

Oh, also the article doesn't clearly define "botting" as opposed to "multiboxers".

 

I've come across quite a few multiboxers who got their first account after launch to 80 in a couple days and wanted the challenge of multiboxing 5 toons at once. These are LEGAL accounts, but the automated chumpkins are the ones that need banning.

The Theory of Conservative Conservation of Ignorant Stupidity:
Having a different opinion must mean you're a troll.

  ShakyMo

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9/26/12 8:53:25 AM#32
Doesn't seem as car as when I played wow
  ShakyMo

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9/26/12 8:53:57 AM#33
#bad. Bloody predictive text
  BadSpock

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Logic be damned!

9/26/12 9:00:59 AM#34

I report everyone I see botting.

Kessex Hills bridge event w/ the Centuar attack is like... perfect place to clean house on Botters.

Take note Anet - just watch that area like a hawk.

I really, really hope every single time I report a botter for botting there is a consequence for those botters.

 

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  Terranah

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9/26/12 9:02:54 AM#35
I saw a bot yesterday.  Can't say how common it is as I am on the move quite a bit.  But there was a guy skipping from point to point in a pattern, attacking mobs, similar to a video someone recently posted.
  Jyiiga

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9/26/12 9:04:27 AM#36

I've been fighting bots since the game went live... I have reported countless bots and posted multiple videos.

They ban people for Karma exploits and make a BIG DEAL out of it. The electronic equivalent of putting people in handcuffs and walking them around they room. 

Weeks on end.. bots, reports, no action... no word from Anet. 

I love this game, but they need to wise up on this subject. 

  timeraider

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9/26/12 9:05:11 AM#37
I yust report such guys out of automatism, my mind yust forgets about them 1 second after that.
  Zezda

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9/27/12 2:54:09 AM#38

I like the part where he provides evidence to back up all his claims!

 

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  Connmacart

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9/27/12 3:09:05 AM#39

Just because a player singlemindedly does the same thing doesn't prove it is a bot. How many people don't do the easiest thing for the most gain over and over. 

Keep reporting people if you suspect a bot, but Anet will need a lot more than a few reports before they start banning. They need to investigate how routine the player really is and for some bots that is easy for others that is hard. It can also mean real players will get banned if they are doing something mindless enough over and over.

  Connmacart

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9/27/12 3:11:08 AM#40
Originally posted by Fadedbomb

NewsFlash: GW2 being a "BuyToPlay" product does not have the resources on hand to "deal with" and "track" hundreds of thousands of botters at once.

 

Oh, also the article doesn't clearly define "botting" as opposed to "multiboxers".

 

I've come across quite a few multiboxers who got their first account after launch to 80 in a couple days and wanted the challenge of multiboxing 5 toons at once. These are LEGAL accounts, but the automated chumpkins are the ones that need banning.

No and they never banned tens of thousands of bots in GW1 either, maybe had a 0 extra to the end even. But please, keep shitting on things you know nothing about.

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