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  SuperDonk

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Joined: 6/22/10
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OP  9/26/12 12:13:12 AM#21
Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC
Originally posted by Tayah
Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC
WTF are you suppoed to do in an MMO? Thats how MMO's are. Play a different Genre and stop whining.

That's not how mmo's use to be. People have just settled for mediocrity so much they're willing to accept a grindy mmo.

Look at UO, AC1, DAOC, those were all good mmo's.

WoW is a good game, and I enjoyed the years I played it (until the gear grind set in) but way too grindy for gear for me to ever play it again.

Yeah look at them. You level, you get gear, you kill crap, you sell crap, you craft crap and you try to be the best. Thats what an MMO is and thats what it will always be. 

Those games are terrible compared to WoW, TSW, GW2 now. If those games released with todays standards (and i'm not just talking about graphics) they wouldn't last a week.

 If SWG rereleased today without the Star Wars and Lucas Arts's attempt to make it WoW, there would be enough players to make it work.

 

WoW just created a "standard" that it seems all mmo's must obey now, what a shame.

I want to be Uncle Owen again.

  PaRoXiTiC

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9/26/12 12:14:28 AM#22
Originally posted by SuperDonk
Originally posted by Robokapp
what's wrong with eve? I've been playing since 2009 and it's...great. until there's a neut in your system when you want to mine...

 I just haven't been about to get past the whole toon = ship thing, but the gameplay is something I have been looking for for the last 6 years, I think it's time to take the plunge and go full out in EvE.

Uhg EvE.

I tried that, but man did my brain fry. Good luck. Cool concept just way to hard for me. I only have a Masters Degree. You need a Doctrate for that one. 

  SuperDonk

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OP  9/26/12 12:18:36 AM#23
Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC
Originally posted by SuperDonk
Originally posted by Robokapp
what's wrong with eve? I've been playing since 2009 and it's...great. until there's a neut in your system when you want to mine...

 I just haven't been about to get past the whole toon = ship thing, but the gameplay is something I have been looking for for the last 6 years, I think it's time to take the plunge and go full out in EvE.

Uhg EvE.

I tried that, but man did my brain fry. Good luck. Cool concept just way to hard for me. I only have a Masters Degree. You need a Doctrate for that one. 

 I think my brain fried a little the last time I tried to get into it as well, but at least you get away from the style of MMO that makes up most of the genre. I think might just take the plunge into the next Darkfall release, just to see what it feels like to play an MMO that is different.

I want to be Uncle Owen again.

  Shadoed

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9/26/12 12:36:25 AM#24
Originally posted by SuperDonk
Originally posted by aWRAY

So, you paid full price for WoW and expected something different? And on top of that, you played for a few minutes and quit? Sorry you wasted your money.

But in all seriousness, did you even play the game? Or are you just here to flame?

 I think I earned about 500k exp from quests, so yeah I played it a little. But I'm having serious buyers remorse.

Lol'd a bit at that. 500k xp means that with an 85 character you did 4 quests? You judged the whole expansion on 4 quests and not even leaving the initial start area?

It must be Thursday, i never could get the hang of Thursdays.

  expresso

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9/26/12 1:03:37 AM#25

I wasted $20 on TL2, dont see me bitching.

XCOM looks fun have you downloaded the demo off steam?

  Nitth

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9/26/12 1:25:22 AM#26


Originally posted by expresso
I wasted $20 on TL2, dont see me bitching.

XCOM looks fun have you downloaded the demo off steam?


Thanks for the heads up expresso


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  SuperDonk

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Joined: 6/22/10
Posts: 698

 
OP  9/26/12 1:35:39 AM#27
Originally posted by Shadoed
Originally posted by SuperDonk
Originally posted by aWRAY

So, you paid full price for WoW and expected something different? And on top of that, you played for a few minutes and quit? Sorry you wasted your money.

But in all seriousness, did you even play the game? Or are you just here to flame?

 I think I earned about 500k exp from quests, so yeah I played it a little. But I'm having serious buyers remorse.

Lol'd a bit at that. 500k xp means that with an 85 character you did 4 quests? You judged the whole expansion on 4 quests and not even leaving the initial start area?

 Yes it mean I did about 4 or 5 quests, are they really that different from the rest of the expansion? My guess is no.

 

People want to say I'm whining, and they are right. I'm whining becasue I'm tired of the find the guy with the ! over his head, do the mindless task he asks and return to him with a ? over his head. Are we that easy to entertain? Apparently so.

 

Well, I'm sick of it. I want an adventure. I want to stumble on to an quest. I want to be something other than what the current crop of mmos prvide. I get that I'm "whining" and should move on, but seriously when did mmos become mindless timewasters, when did they lose the sense of community? I'm tired of the rat race in mmos, my life is already full of rat races, I long for the escape mmos used to bring to me, an alternative universe. If the only option for an alternative universe is a rat race, I'm done, I'll stick to single player games that tell a story or just find new hobbies in real life.

I want to be Uncle Owen again.

  emperorwings

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Joined: 12/25/06
Posts: 1310

9/26/12 2:29:00 AM#28
It's just because it's WoW and it's time has come and gone. Not saying it isn't a good game it's just that it's old and the first 2 years it was out were the best.

This isn't a signature, you just think it is.

  delete5230

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Joined: 8/15/07
Posts: 2485

9/26/12 5:03:02 AM#29

OP, your right.

WoW and all mmos are not what they used to be.  I think most people really can't put words to the problem with mmo's.

Here is my take :

Its not the quest and the same old stuff.......BUT the community aspect of it all.  Developers are responsible, if you make an mmo too easy there are no reason to group, join guilds, or have a friends list. THIS IS WHAT MULTI PLAYER REALLY IS.  It's about logging in for days,months years to meet and play with others.

 

Remember this ?

" Hay can you help me out over here, this group quest is too hard "

" Shadow fang keep, kicked my butt last time, I had you on my friends list because your a good tank, would you please come with us ? "

" Can I please get a few guild members to help be for a few minutes. I'm in Red Ridge and I can't beat this thing.

" Hay, would you like to quest together, it seems as if we are both too low for this zone "

" WoW, we did good in Scarlet Monastery. Can I add you guys to my friends list "

" That was fun, will you be on tomorrow ? "

 

Every play session was a little different because of the community. ITS WHAT DRIVES A PLAYER TO LOG ON MONTH AFTER MONTH....... I hate to say it but GW2 is no better.....We have crap now, and all developers of every game feel as if they should follow in what WoW has become. But they neglect to realize that the new World of Warcraft is running on what it used to be. All mmos following this formula without being established will fail !!!!

 

  Gamefun

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Joined: 6/30/12
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9/26/12 5:04:21 AM#30
Originally posted by SuperDonk

I'm already bored of Pandaria, got past a few quests and again was like, what is the point? Grind out five more levels, then grind out gear all over again...

 

No thanks, I'll pass.

 

When are they going to make another MMO that feels meaningful? When are they going to make an MMO that doesn't feel like an hamster wheel? Go kill ten of these, go pick up six of these, omg enough already.

 

Sometimes I look at the NPC's and wonder if I would just rather be one of them, giving out quests to all of the hamsters frantically clicking on me for treats.

Oh man you made me laugh hard, thanks, I needed that.

  PKJackCrow

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Joined: 10/07/11
Posts: 232

9/26/12 5:12:49 AM#31
I saw a comment in this thread that said welcome to MMOs there are hamster wheels. It made me sad because it is true, it was true before it is true now. The difference between now and before is in the past you hard freedom and community to make th hamster wheel invisible. Now companies don't care! they wave the hamster wheel playstyle freely but because people are willing to give these companies money they continue to do it yet people want to complain. How about if you don't like the sound of something, then do research, maybe give the trial a chance and if you find the hamster wheel is that much visible then don't give these companies your MONEY!
  moguy2

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Joined: 9/20/12
Posts: 363

Wish I had something positive to say =(

9/26/12 5:21:52 AM#32

I realized that I just couldnt do this game any more when I let my 8 year old daughter play my toon while I took a leak. I was in a group and was dps. My daughter just kept on going mashing buttons and doing just great! Then I saw that MoP was coming and all the nifty lil changes that made the game even more dumbed down. I need a challenge of some sort. An " OMG " dont do that or you might die feeling. Mop is the same ole same ole with a new facelift and a larger , easier to get, carrot .

  Nadia

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Posts: 11292

9/26/12 5:28:06 AM#33
Originally posted by delete5230

OP, your right.

WoW and all mmos are not what they used to be.  I think most people really can't put words to the problem with mmo's.

Here is my take :

Its not the quest and the same old stuff.......BUT the community aspect of it all.  Developers are responsible, if you make an mmo too easy there are no reason to group, join guilds, or have a friends list. THIS IS WHAT MULTI PLAYER REALLY IS.  It's about logging in for days,months years to meet and play with others.

 

Remember this ?

" Hay can you help me out over here, this group quest is too hard "

" Shadow fang keep, kicked my butt last time, I had you on my friends list because your a good tank, would you please come with us ? "

" Can I please get a few guild members to help be for a few minutes. I'm in Red Ridge and I can't beat this thing.

" Hay, would you like to quest together, it seems as if we are both too low for this zone "

" WoW, we did good in Scarlet Monastery. Can I add you guys to my friends list "

" That was fun, will you be on tomorrow ? "

 

Every play session was a little different because of the community. ITS WHAT DRIVES A PLAYER TO LOG ON MONTH AFTER MONTH....... I hate to say it but GW2 is no better.....We have crap now, and all developers of every game feel as if they should follow in what WoW has become. But they neglect to realize that the new World of Warcraft is running on what it used to be. All mmos following this formula without being established will fail !!!!

nice post - but i dont see any easy solutions

 

this problem affect all mmos with group content:

as the game ages and adds expansions, theres less low level players to do the group stuff -- unless you find higher level players to help you steamroll thru it, and that negates the fun part .. challenge

  bone12

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Joined: 3/22/08
Posts: 33

9/26/12 5:31:19 AM#34
Originally posted by SuperDonk
Maybe it's time to just suck it up and try EvE for the tenth time...

EvE would be waste of time and money so Boring.. Try Guild wars 2 alot more fun and things to offer serious!.

 

as i stated many times before but not in here. Wow is dead... u play for a couple of days u reached max level and did all dungeons and raids.. so weak.

 

i got a couple of games u should try

 

Guild wars 2 . Smite. LoL. Sc2. torchlight 2. borderlands 2. and alot more games..

  User Deleted
9/26/12 5:41:59 AM#35

MoP is totally awesome~! 

 

I was just chillin' like a villain today. I rolled up my Pandarian monk and went out to level him up. It was deeply engrossing. I had to talk to some dude and get a weapon and equip it. Then I went back and he told me I had amazing potential to me a monk instead of a farmer. Then I had to go beat down some other novice monks with my special ability which depended on energy, so I did it, of course on auto-attack, making powerful flurries with said ability when I had the energy. Then I went back and talked to that dude he told me to snatch a flame from his hand. He was blown away that I managed to do it the first time. It wasn't even difficult at all. Isn't that great?

 

Then he told me to go upstairs and burn a scroll of temperance with that flame. In RL, I think this would be a mistake, but I had no choice, so I did as I was told. I went back and reported to the dude and he said we don't need no stinking temperance and that I was going to be one amazing special powerful ass-kicking monk in the brutal new world of strife.

 

Then he sent me to kick some top trainee's ass, which I did with the help of another special awesome monk much like the first battles when I had to beat down 6 regular trainees. Then I talked to the dude on a Chinese looking bridge and he told me to go talk to someone else. I did. I did this pretty much a few more times, but my fingers are getting tired of typing. I can write it all up if you readers want to know what I did in detail. Just let me know. It was actually fascinating.  I killed these sprite-like things, and gathered pieces of kindling, killed some orangutan-like things that jump on you and make you bleed, then went to talk to some more people and went into some caves and killed some elemental dudes and use some of the wood I gathered as kindling. It was great.

 

At one point, my wife came in to talk to me and I even kissed her while I was fighting some mobs and I didn't even have to pay attention or dodge or anything because the auto-attack and my monk's innate awesomeness just handled it.  I kind of paused in a temple somewhere. I have to go to a cave or another temple or something. I don't remember. Probably have to kill some stuff, gather some more stuff, talk to some people, do some stuff and go back to talk to them. No need for grouping yet. I can handle it all on my own. 

 

Totally fresh!  Awesome. And I'm a PANDA. Can you believe it? How bitchin' is that? A PANDA!1!!

 

And reading the zone chat is so enlightening. I think kids must have been back from school. The Americans and Australians were going at each other for being stupid and uneducated, etc. The Aussies, the majority on my server, who were vocal in local chat, then started bashing on Aboriginals for being on the dole, etc. I didn't read all of it though, so I can't tell you how that turned out.  

 

See y'all back in Pandaria!!

 

 

  Kyleran

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9/26/12 6:09:56 AM#36
Originally posted by SuperDonk
If MMOs = hamster wheels, then yeah I'm done and will move on, its just too bad I preoredered Pandaria before I came to this realization. What a waste of $40.

If you bought your copy digitally, consider asking for a refund, apparently companies frequently are willing to refund your money within 30 days of purchase.

But I would like to ask, what do you consider to be meaningful end game, might help in trying to recommend a different MMO to you.

BTW, I agree with you, I'm no longer able to play the modern day theme park MMO, hence I returned to EVE until DFUW releases.

But not sure if what either of those titles offers is what you really want.

 

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  Fusion

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9/26/12 6:14:22 AM#37
DF:unholy wars, less than 2 months away :)

Currently playing: ESO

Waiting for: Class4.

Dead and Buried: NWO, GW2, SWTOR, Darkfall, AO, AC2, Vanguard, CoH/V, EnB, EVE, Neocron, FE, EQ, EQ2, DAoC, FFXI, FFXIV, SWG, WoW, and billions of eastern junks!

  Inlor

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9/26/12 6:21:21 AM#38
Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC
WTF are you suppoed to do in an MMO? Thats how MMO's are. Play a different Genre and stop whining.

No, that's not how MMOs need to be! Obviously you never played a sandbox MMO. And I think a sandbox MMO is exactly what the OP is looking for.

  Ambros123

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9/26/12 6:33:11 AM#39
Originally posted by Inlor
Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC
WTF are you suppoed to do in an MMO? Thats how MMO's are. Play a different Genre and stop whining.

No, that's not how MMOs need to be! Obviously you never played a sandbox MMO. And I think a sandbox MMO is exactly what the OP is looking for.


  There are plenty of a variety of MMOs to play that have a different experience than WoW.  TSW is a highly story driven, GW2 has a story element with variety plus likely one of the greatest PvP experiances of any themepark fantasy MMO, EVE is the ultimate sandbox PvP MMO, then there is FF XIV rebirth coming out and Neverwinter in early 2013.  WoW has a highly grind element with the exact same ol' combat that people are tired of which is what WoW will be as said a Blizz official when asked about how "Titan" will compete with WoW and the remark was that WoW will be an MMO based on the grindy elements it has.  How they beleive that players enjoy grinding is beyond me.

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9/26/12 6:33:25 AM#40
Originally posted by SuperDonk

Well, I'm sick of it. I want an adventure. I want to stumble on to an quest. I want to be something other than what the current crop of mmos prvide. I get that I'm "whining" and should move on, but seriously when did mmos become mindless timewasters, when did they lose the sense of community? I'm tired of the rat race in mmos, my life is already full of rat races, I long for the escape mmos used to bring to me, an alternative universe. If the only option for an alternative universe is a rat race, I'm done, I'll stick to single player games that tell a story or just find new hobbies in real life.

 

Well, if you already have a Lvl. 80 toon and you would like an adventure, why did you return to WoW? Obviously you have played some expansions before and the all work in exact the same way. Tell you what, as you seem to have struggle getting in a Sci-Fi-MMO: UO is still around! Even EAs UO wipes the floor with all those wannabe MMOs out there. And if you are looking for the old UO feeling: There is a well known US freeshard with about 500 people logged on to every evening. Perhaps you should give it a try? And don't let you fool by graphics. The game depth is very extensive.

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