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  ElSandman

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9/26/12 12:33:07 AM#61
Originally posted by Rokurgepta
Originally posted by ElSandman

Ok it does look like the server online populations are reflected in these "statuses" as they are currently showing 3 medium, and the rest high, none full.

 

Still, since we have no idea what the actual numbers are from these statuses, the best trend information we have is still provided by Xfire.

Well done when proven wrong go back to Xfire claims. Just more avoiding of the reality.

Can you tell me how many people are logged on when the server status reads Full or High or Medium?

 

Didn't think so. 

 

Eve shows concurrent users always.  If Anet did that we would have a reliable measure, since they don't of course I use other sources.

  Loke666

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9/26/12 12:39:56 AM#62
Originally posted by krakra70
Originally posted by Volkon

The good news, right now there are ten full, twelve high and two medium servers on the U.S. side, so I'd say we managed to dodge the predicted mass exodus that some expected on this day.

The bad news... I kind of drifted off during an event in Orr (didn't sleep much last night) and ran off a cliff.

How is that good news? wasn't every server full/high in the first weeks? Also on xfire (which can't be manipulated by Anet) gw2 is pretty much tanking (from 93k hours to 51.5k in 3 weeks, and before mop came out). Even SWTOR had better player retention 1 month after its release.

They have added more servers since, and players do tend to play longer the first 2 weeks. I myself kicked in 6-8 hours every day back then and that is far more than I can longtime when I have a life.

It is true that there are less people on the servers now than earlier, but not that much so there were no mass exodus as many people here said there would be (like a certain other game had).

Also, all stores around here still had the game sold out when I checked yesterday (but were going to get in new copies today) so people prefering to get boxes still have a hard time getting a copy.

No TOR had not better retention.

  GeezerGamer

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9/26/12 12:41:40 AM#63
Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by eggy08

I think it's 38k right now

[mod edit]

Well it was relevent when SWTOR was, 'dying', according to these forums....

I suppose the magic of GW2 makes anything negative, agenda-based nonsence eh?

I suppose that if you assume one thing is true in one case that it is true in all?

When we are talking about Xfire, yes. Tomorrows graph will give us a good look at what MoP did. 

We'll see what the rest of the week does. It's funny, GW2's launch didn't affect Rift but MOP's did, but MOP didn't affect GW2's online Pops. So Maybe it just  means they have 2 different demographics.

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  Loke666

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9/26/12 12:44:48 AM#64
Originally posted by ElSandman

Can you tell me how many people are logged on when the server status reads Full or High or Medium?

Didn't think so. 

Eve shows concurrent users always.  If Anet did that we would have a reliable measure, since they don't of course I use other sources.

If you look on XFire GW2 have had more players than Wow the last month, and I am pretty sure that isnt true. And people tend to play new games more the first 1 or 2 weeks, in fact many people take time off from work then to play.

So at least use number of players as number instead of hours, it would still not be right but a lot better. We wont really know how the game is doing until after a few months when you have a long steady trend, Xfire is useful for that. But comparing the first 2 weeks is useless and really proves  nothing.

  Loke666

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9/26/12 12:47:22 AM#65
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

We'll see what the rest of the week does. It's funny, GW2's launch didn't affect Rift but MOP's did, but MOP didn't affect GW2's online Pops. So Maybe it just  means they have 2 different demographics.

That is actually funny, one would assume that some Wow players got GW2 as a backup game and moved to MOP now....

Then again, all Xfire statistic are doubtful at best and only work for long huge trends (something which I actually say no matter if the numbers are good or bad for the game I play right now).

  dariuszp

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9/26/12 12:47:36 AM#66
Originally posted by krakra70
Originally posted by Volkon

The good news, right now there are ten full, twelve high and two medium servers on the U.S. side, so I'd say we managed to dodge the predicted mass exodus that some expected on this day.

 

The bad news... I kind of drifted off during an event in Orr (didn't sleep much last night) and ran off a cliff.

How is that good news? wasn't every server full/high in the first weeks? Also on xfire (which can't be manipulated by Anet) gw2 is pretty much tanking (from 93k hours to 51.5k in 3 weeks, and before mop came out). Even SWTOR had better player retention 1 month after its release.

No worry. It's normal for any new games to have lot of people with long sessions etc. After release things come down. Thing is they should calm down ( what we want ) and not go all to hell ( TOR calmed down to his death ).

  Rokurgepta

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9/26/12 12:54:16 AM#67
Originally posted by ElSandman
Originally posted by Rokurgepta
Originally posted by ElSandman

Ok it does look like the server online populations are reflected in these "statuses" as they are currently showing 3 medium, and the rest high, none full.

 

Still, since we have no idea what the actual numbers are from these statuses, the best trend information we have is still provided by Xfire.

Well done when proven wrong go back to Xfire claims. Just more avoiding of the reality.

Can you tell me how many people are logged on when the server status reads Full or High or Medium?

 

Didn't think so. 

 

Eve shows concurrent users always.  If Anet did that we would have a reliable measure, since they don't of course I use other sources.

You were proven a liar more than once today. Do you just want to keep digging?

  aRtFuLThinG

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9/26/12 12:55:23 AM#68
Originally posted by ElSandman

Well, you know funnily enough I live in Australia, so it is really easy for me to see what it says at 4am EST.  Guess what, it supports what I have already told you, it shows the same thing.  (At least it did yesterday and previous days, so I am guessing it will today too).

 

Please stop. You are making us Aussies look bad.

I play Australia time (Melbourne) all the time on Tarnished Coast server and the server is still full as hell. A couple of nights ago I queued WvW at 6pm AEST and I still have to wait 30 mins before I can get in.

I play last night at 10pm AEST and damn Divinity and Lion's Arch still have overflow. I was out at Strait of Devastation and Malchor's Leap (the 2 hardest areas, should be shit empty by any game's standards because the spawn rate is ridiculously fast and packed) and we still have groups of 10s or so taking on DEs.

So please, stop making up crap.

  User Deleted
9/26/12 1:01:17 AM#69
Originally posted by Kakkzooka

I think XFire is a fine tool to predict the popularity trends of various games. It's been pretty accurate so far in other instances.

Look at the thread about XFire and SWTOR. It pretty much shows a predictive downward path that culminated in EA having to restructure..

Yes, BUT....

 

GW2, like GW1, has NO SUBSCRIPTION.  This allows the community to drift in and out, between other games and GW. I think you have to let the jury stay out a LITTLE longer because of this.

  ElSandman

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9/26/12 1:06:51 AM#70
Originally posted by Loke666
Originally posted by ElSandman

Can you tell me how many people are logged on when the server status reads Full or High or Medium?

Didn't think so. 

Eve shows concurrent users always.  If Anet did that we would have a reliable measure, since they don't of course I use other sources.

If you look on XFire GW2 have had more players than Wow the last month, and I am pretty sure that isnt true. And people tend to play new games more the first 1 or 2 weeks, in fact many people take time off from work then to play.

So at least use number of players as number instead of hours, it would still not be right but a lot better. We wont really know how the game is doing until after a few months when you have a long steady trend, Xfire is useful for that. But comparing the first 2 weeks is useless and really proves  nothing.

I agree that player numbers are better.  Unfortunately, Xfire doesn't chart those, even though it does capture them.  I think GW2 peaked at about 19k users and is not at 9.8k, so roughly half, whereas, hours peaked at 95k and is now 38k, so roughly 40%.  Ie hours have dropped more relatively than people as you would expect.

 

As far as more people playing GW2 (in the west) than WoW, who knows.  I am not sure how good cross game comp[arisons are.  The trends within one game seem to be fairly solid predictors though.

 

  bcbully

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9/26/12 1:18:02 AM#71
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Well it was relevent when SWTOR was, 'dying', according to these forums....

I suppose the magic of GW2 makes anything negative, agenda-based nonsence eh?

I suppose that if you assume one thing is true in one case that it is true in all?

When we are talking about Xfire, yes. Tomorrows graph will give us a good look at what MoP did. 

We'll see what the rest of the week does. It's funny, GW2's launch didn't affect Rift but MOP's did, but MOP didn't affect GW2's online Pops. So Maybe it just  means they have 2 different demographics.

This graph doesn't have anything to do with MoP honestly, since it's not a live update. That downward trend is all of GW2's doing :p Even at that though it would be nice to see this graph overlayed with some other games. 

 

 

 

 

  ElSandman

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9/26/12 1:22:15 AM#72
Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Well it was relevent when SWTOR was, 'dying', according to these forums....

I suppose the magic of GW2 makes anything negative, agenda-based nonsence eh?

I suppose that if you assume one thing is true in one case that it is true in all?

When we are talking about Xfire, yes. Tomorrows graph will give us a good look at what MoP did. 

We'll see what the rest of the week does. It's funny, GW2's launch didn't affect Rift but MOP's did, but MOP didn't affect GW2's online Pops. So Maybe it just  means they have 2 different demographics.

This graph doesn't have anything to do with MoP honestly, since it's not a live update. That downward trend is all of GW2's doing :p Even at that though it would be nice to see this graph overlayed with some other games. 

 

 

Here is the link - every covered game is charted - overlay to your hearts content.

 

http://www.xfire.com/genre/mmo/massively_multiplayer_online/

 

 

 

  jinxxed0

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9/26/12 1:33:58 AM#73
Originally posted by ShakyMo
You always get a drop after a month. I predicted this would happen because for instance.
1 players bought it thinking it was like wow, then realised its not a loot pinata game
2 players miss their friends from other games
3 players who don't like mmos try it, thinking this one might be different, it is, but maybe not different enough for them.

4 players who like MMOs and not single-player MMOs wasted 60 dollars and lost hope once again

  UtukuMoon

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9/26/12 1:42:03 AM#74
Originally posted by Volkon

The good news, right now there are ten full, twelve high and two medium servers on the U.S. side, so I'd say we managed to dodge the predicted mass exodus that some expected on this day.

 

The bad news... I kind of drifted off during an event in Orr (didn't sleep much last night) and ran off a cliff.

I have some bad news,mass exodus or not,GW2 is not the number one MMO and never will be.It will never make the kind of money that WOW makes and believe it or not GW2 will never be as popular.

I know you desperately want WOW to fail but it will be around long after you climb that cliff again.

Pandas or My Little Miss Pony,in the long run it will be Pandas who win.

 

I haven't paly WOW since before battle grounds so no i do not play the game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8ymgFyzbDo

  Rokurgepta

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9/26/12 1:47:39 AM#75
Originally posted by Sylvarii
Originally posted by Volkon

The good news, right now there are ten full, twelve high and two medium servers on the U.S. side, so I'd say we managed to dodge the predicted mass exodus that some expected on this day.

 

The bad news... I kind of drifted off during an event in Orr (didn't sleep much last night) and ran off a cliff.

I have some bad news,mass exodus or not,GW2 is not the number one MMO and never will be.It will never make the kind of money that WOW makes and believe it or not GW2 will never be as popular.

I know you desperately want WOW to fail but it will be around long after you climb that cliff again.

Pandas or My Little Miss Pony,in the long run it will be Pandas who win.

 

I haven't paly WOW since before battle grounds so no i do not play the game.

I dont care if WoW is more popular. I dont care if it makes more money. I care that  FOR ME GW2 is a more fun game and so I play it.

  gelraen

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9/26/12 1:52:29 AM#76
  Flute

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9/26/12 1:52:53 AM#77

You know, hate to say it, but wait a month then have this discussion. 

 

Because GW2 is no ongoing fee, there is no loss to players to go play a panda for a couple weeks.  The real test will be in 4 weeks+, when people have finished the panda expansion content and then have to decide whether to keep playing (and paying) for wow, or to return to GW2.  Or go someplace else, like Darkfall : Unholy Wars in November.   I really do expect pandas will reign supreme, for about 3 to 6 weeks, then tank for NA customers (but we all know that expansion is aimed at the Chinese market anyway so WoW overall will do rather well out of it, even if people retrun to GW2 en masse once they have done all the raids etc and gotten bored of their monks).

  gelraen

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9/26/12 1:56:12 AM#78
Originally posted by Flute

You know, hate to say it, but wait a month then have this discussion. 

 

Because GW2 is no ongoing fee, there is no loss to players to go play a panda for a couple weeks.  The real test will be in 4 weeks+, when people have finished the panda expansion content and then have to decide whether to keep playing (and paying) for wow, or to return to GW2.  Or go someplace else, like Darkfall : Unholy Wars in November.   I really do expect pandas will reign supreme, for about 3 to 6 weeks, then tank for NA customers (but we all know that expansion is aimed at the Chinese market anyway so WoW overall will do rather well out of it, even if people retrun to GW2 en masse once they have done all the raids etc and gotten bored of their monks).

Yeah honestly, I think you're correct on all points.  My experience with Cata was much like that. I really enjoyed it for a few weeks until it fell apart for me.

I'm not at all worried about GW2, as even if it lost half of it's player base over time it will be just fine.  It's a great game.

WoW also has it's merits, it's just that for most people, it's become a bit of a tired old formula, and visually it has become very, very dated.

  UtukuMoon

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9/26/12 2:00:26 AM#79
Originally posted by Rokurgepta
Originally posted by Sylvarii
Originally posted by Volkon

The good news, right now there are ten full, twelve high and two medium servers on the U.S. side, so I'd say we managed to dodge the predicted mass exodus that some expected on this day.

 

The bad news... I kind of drifted off during an event in Orr (didn't sleep much last night) and ran off a cliff.

I have some bad news,mass exodus or not,GW2 is not the number one MMO and never will be.It will never make the kind of money that WOW makes and believe it or not GW2 will never be as popular.

I know you desperately want WOW to fail but it will be around long after you climb that cliff again.

Pandas or My Little Miss Pony,in the long run it will be Pandas who win.

 

I haven't paly WOW since before battle grounds so no i do not play the game.

I dont care if WoW is more popular. I dont care if it makes more money. I care that  FOR ME GW2 is a more fun game and so I play it.

Really,that's fine and dandy but with 17 post in this thread which has it's main theme about WOW it's hard to tell.And on top of that i quoted the OP not you but somehow my post had such an effect on you that you quoted me.

Why waste your time in this thread when you could be playing GW2.

 

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  Rokurgepta

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9/26/12 2:03:37 AM#80
Originally posted by Sylvarii
Originally posted by Rokurgepta
Originally posted by Sylvarii
Originally posted by Volkon

The good news, right now there are ten full, twelve high and two medium servers on the U.S. side, so I'd say we managed to dodge the predicted mass exodus that some expected on this day.

 

The bad news... I kind of drifted off during an event in Orr (didn't sleep much last night) and ran off a cliff.

I have some bad news,mass exodus or not,GW2 is not the number one MMO and never will be.It will never make the kind of money that WOW makes and believe it or not GW2 will never be as popular.

I know you desperately want WOW to fail but it will be around long after you climb that cliff again.

Pandas or My Little Miss Pony,in the long run it will be Pandas who win.

 

I haven't paly WOW since before battle grounds so no i do not play the game.

I dont care if WoW is more popular. I dont care if it makes more money. I care that  FOR ME GW2 is a more fun game and so I play it.

Really,that's fine and dandy but with 17 post in this thread which has it's main theme about WOW it's hard to tell.

 

And I have bashed WoW how many times? That would be zero. Next time you count maybe read some content. Then you wont look so uninformed. But you seem to enjoy looking that way in your GW2 posts.

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