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News & Features Discussion  » [Editorial] Torchlight 2: Beating Blizzard at its Own Game

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9/24/12 1:49:03 PM#41
I've done D3 to death. TL2 is clearly the better game imo. I ended up hating D3 once I got over 300 hours played.. I might with TL2 as well, who knows. End of the day, I would have played both either way and I have/am. At this point though, with the mods that should be appearing eventually and the random maps that drop as loot for endgame, I expect to put more hours into TL2 than I did with D3.

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9/24/12 1:59:23 PM#42
They both have different things to offer. Diablo 3 has far superior graphics and an actual storyline to follow, granted once you have done 1 play-through its moot but torchlight has next to nothing there. Torchlight has more random maps to enjoy and the mods to come to brighten things up too, whereas diablo 3 has just the same grind for gear with not much changing except a few randomized maps that are inevitably the same crap over and over. I have not spent as many hours on torchlight 2 as diablo 3 but in a few months I am sure both games will have been played the same amout of time and granted the same amount of enjoyment for different reasons. Torchlight 2 is so much cheaper it should appeal to more people solely based on that, 60 for diablo 3 was a bit ridiculous.

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9/24/12 1:59:36 PM#43
I dunno, i played torchlight 2 for about an hour or 2, tried all the classes and it's like meh at best.  Diablo 3 was far more fun for me.  Maybe it's because it's just the starting area, but i play for 15 minutes and i'm already bored.

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9/24/12 2:03:48 PM#44
TL2 is a blast, started playing this weeked (bought off of steam for $19.99); a very good entertainment value. I got bored with D3 very quickly (played the free version, tried out various classes); I cant reall put my finger on it..but the game just felt "dead" to me..I did not want to play the classes or be involved in the storyline at all...

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9/24/12 2:23:15 PM#45
Originally posted by cybersrs

If TL2 is going to compete against D3, they should at least do equal graphics quality or better.

... and I know that gameplay > graphics. Maybe it is just me tired to see new games releases with not so good graphics.

We are in 2012 (meaning we have better tools, game engine, computer, etc).

Well TL2 doesnt have top noch graphics, i can give you that. But be honest is D3 graphics are way better? no. A little better yes.

But think about it Blizzard with huge man-power and a with some big ass budget and they give us D3 with not so good graphics, simple customisation, no offline and no lan, they force you to finish the game at normal setting before you can get some challenge etc etc and the list can continu for a while.

Runic is an indie compagny and they dont have illimited ressources, so they probably decided to focus more on the gameplay than the graphics and they did a great job, for 20$ this is no brainer.



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9/24/12 2:31:08 PM#46
Originally posted by Silok
the gameplay than the graphics and they did a great job, for 20$ this is no brainer.


This is really what it comes down to.       Anyone who's played D3 at all should appreciate this.


D3 tried to steal our wallets at every step.   Nickel and diming after the initial full box price just to be able to enjoy the game at all.    $20 gets me way more from TL2 than even hundreds of dollars that I'd have to spend in D3.


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9/24/12 2:34:30 PM#47

I think the only problem with TL2 is the open servers , Thats going to kill the long time investment in my opinion if they were closed id buy it in a heartbeat. Hacks, cheats ect im guessing so im going to pass i did try the trial and i enjoyed it but im all about online multiplayer without cheats.



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9/24/12 2:51:38 PM#48
Originally posted by Nitre
i suppose most ppl here did never play D3 here so they just talk along..or they played beta until the boss and didnt like was tutorial guys.


I tell you my story. I played the open stress test, and didn't like Diablo III. If felt over-polished, bland and tired.

Then a bunch of friends came up with your very same reasoning: "Hey, it's just the tutorial. The real game is gonna be great! Come on, you're the biggest Diablo fan ever, what can go wrong?!" And they pushed/convinced me to shell out the money for Diablo III.


To date (and I have been playing VGs for sixteen years now) this remains the only purchase where I feel robbed of my money. I forced myself to play through it, searching for a speck of enjoyment. I even played it again on a different class (perhaps I just had chosen the wrong one). After defeating Diablo the second time, I couldn't take it any more. Over fourty hours wasted on a game I didn't enjoy for a minute. Not only that, but it actively annoyed me.

Because it was exactly how I thought it would be based on my playing of the open stress test.

Torchlight 2, on the other hand, I enjoyed from the first second. And I still enjoy the hell out of it. Just accept it: Yes, it shows that it was produced with a markedly smaller buget than heavy-weight D3. And it still shows Diablo 3 up.


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9/24/12 3:06:32 PM#49
Originally posted by firewater4176

I think the only problem with TL2 is the open servers , Thats going to kill the long time investment in my opinion if they were closed id buy it in a heartbeat. Hacks, cheats ect im guessing so im going to pass i did try the trial and i enjoyed it but im all about online multiplayer without cheats.


Well i could understand this if it where a focus pvp game but this is not. This is a game where you can play alone or with friends, you explore dungeon, find loot and having fun. Seriously who care if someone you dont know cheat? Just dont play with him.

So you just pass away from a game you enjoyed (you said it yourself) just for this. Well this is a way of thinking which is beyond me, no offence there, i just cant understand this.


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9/24/12 3:16:04 PM#50

I loved D1 and D2.  They were staples of my childhood.

I tried both Torchlight 1 and Diablo 3, but played them only 4 hours and 20 hours respectively.  I liked neither.  I plan to go back to D3 because I feel a little invested in the story and cinematics, but that is about it.

Maybe I have changed, maybe I expect more now, I don't really know.  I still have fond memories of D2 and I don't hate D3 I am glad I bought it but I will spend little to no time on it.

I don't think its action RPGs in general, because I still thirst for a game that is similar to Dreamcast's Armada.  Starfarer and S.P.A.C. are both good games that I have spent some time on that are space RPGs.  I think the combat in these games is more rewarding and strategic than in D3 and torchlight and that is why I gravitate towards them.

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9/24/12 4:33:49 PM#51

In my mind Diablo 3 and Torchlight 2 offer me two different games I can enjoy.  Torchlight 2 offers me an enjoyable single player experience where I can personally find the gear I need to progress, and eventually mod tools to play around with.  Diablo 3 gives me online play with a dedicated server and an auction house economy.


Best part is, if I ever get bored of either, I have the other to still play.  If I get bored of both... then I guess I go back to playing Titan Quest or Diablo II mods.


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9/24/12 4:52:01 PM#52

the constant diablo 3 nerf patches are always a sore spot for players

not wanting to be outdone, runic games put out a TL2 patch that literally erased bank items

definitely put blizzard in their place with that one!


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9/24/12 6:29:46 PM#53
your all biased jack asses i own all the arpg game they are not sub based so guess what some of us will play them all and enjoy all them just saying its possible to enjoy more than one game just saying quit bein over critical and quit bashing games that really dont deserve it.

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9/24/12 6:49:00 PM#54
Yeah TL2 is a far better game for 1/3 of the price and no BS online all the time to play.

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9/24/12 7:09:41 PM#55
I enjoyed the article.  However, I think a lot of the good about Torchlight boils down to its sginifcanlty lower price point.  The expectations are a lot lower and it makes you wonder how a $20 can be bth compared to and considered better than a $60.

If you don't worry about it, it's not a problem.


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9/24/12 7:28:30 PM#56
I'm starting to hate the word "bias".  People like to say somebody is "biased" even when they are telling the truth about something and making totally fair comparisons.  He wouldn't have had to put that word in his review and cover his bases if he wasn't expecting blizzard fanboi's to cry out about his "bias" due to his preference for TL2 over Diablo 3 because they are hopelessly devoted to Blizzard as a company due to the great things they once did with Diablo 2 and vanilla WoW.  There are obviously biased opinions, and then there are straight up truth talking.  It's not bias if the truth hurts Diablo 3 players feelings.  Somebody has to say it like it is.

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9/24/12 9:21:06 PM#57

Well for me.. without D3 I wouldn't have bought TL2. So because someone bought my items using blizzards RMAH function, I was also able to support another developer.

Now D3 is the game i'll play whenever I have internet, I just prefer the epeen value D3 provides. Being able to sell my items if I decide to hang up my keyboard is a nice bonus too.

TL2 is the game i'll goto for my ISPs monthly fiber cut. Though once I beat it i'm sure i'll not touch it again.  I just don't have any interest in modded characters. So any online play is dead to me.

I only like mods in FPS or PvP centric games.


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9/24/12 9:34:23 PM#58
Originally posted by Pouf

Wow really? I can't disagree more. TL2 is a great game and worth the price a lot but better than

You are stuck to a build,  there will be optimal build soon.. it's 100% solo i will never go online since it's open bnet. so It will be full of hackers withing 2 weeks.

Gear is way too easy to get, everything in this game is easy. You level fast.



They did a lot of great things, phase events are full as hell , but it doesnt require any kiting or challenge at all. It will never be better than d3

According to a vid I saw, if you increase the difficulty setting, atleast for the caster/mage class, you will need to kite constantly. 


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9/24/12 9:47:43 PM#59
Originally posted by TheHavok
Originally posted by Pouf

Wow really? I can't disagree more. TL2 is a great game and worth the price a lot but better than

You are stuck to a build,  there will be optimal build soon.. it's 100% solo i will never go online since it's open bnet. so It will be full of hackers withing 2 weeks.

Gear is way too easy to get, everything in this game is easy. You level fast.



They did a lot of great things, phase events are full as hell , but it doesnt require any kiting or challenge at all. It will never be better than d3

According to a vid I saw, if you increase the difficulty setting, atleast for the caster/mage class, you will need to kite constantly. 

Yeah.. very much so. Even in normal you can get instant gimped as a squishy caster or ranged. Heck, even my berserker got close. Its not as easy as people like to gloat, people have a habit of claiming stuff while A.) Playing on an easy setting B.) Dieing a lot and playing it off and pretending it didn't happen.


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9/24/12 11:36:35 PM#60

As a reminder I'll say that Torchlight is continuation of Fate series ARPG(pets, fishing, fame) rather than Diablo 2.

As for the topic, I'd say it's nigh impossible to actually compare those two games. Why?


Torchlight is single player game from design. Coop is something extra, they don't care about hackers, botters, class balance, loot droprates and such. As such, this game can be and is more fun but also more shallow. A game for more casual player, with community made mods.

Diablo 3 is multiplayer lobby game from design. Single player is something extra, itemization and drop rates are global, making good drops very rare, especially if you use AH. Blizzard pays attention to hacks, bots, exploits, class and skill balance which can be both positive and negative(skill/content changes aka nerfs). While casual can easily play D3 I think the actual depth of build/farming/itemization is actually for more hardcore people.


Anyways with 2 expansions and moeny behind it the longevity of Diablo 3 with it's huge community will make it superior game in time.

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