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9/24/12 6:00:39 PM#181
Originally posted by Xiaoki Is anyone saying that though? I mean, if I see a potential combo field laying on the ground, I'm definately throwing out my combo blaster or twirl finisher (Ima Thief). |
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9/24/12 6:02:58 PM#182
Originally posted by Xiaoki Because you can't pug these right? Pretty sure I've pugged every single story mode and every single explorer mode I've done. Not voice chat or anything. So it's not hardcore raiding but it does require you to know your class a little. Don't understand how combo fields is a huge barrier for people to get the concept of. And if you leveled to 80, I'd assume that most can figure out their class by now. Nothing hardcore about it. |
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9/24/12 6:03:17 PM#183
Originally posted by Badaboom exactly.. no one said you need ot know everyone for every situation.. but you should know them and have a general idea of what combos you can put up and how they will help the group.. just basics of learning a game.. and it helps a lot in harder encounters I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg |
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9/24/12 6:05:01 PM#184
Originally posted by Badaboom I agree- I use them myself with all my toons when I see the opportunity. However, no dungeon or encounter - at least what ive done- has "needed" any combo to achieve victory. And for them to be really effective you would need voice and practice. Which for the most part PuG's are not doing.
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9/24/12 6:11:40 PM#185
Originally posted by Lathial Noone ever said you absolutley needed them to win the fight. I don't know where you read that. They clearly stated it "helps" the fight and "helps" you kill mobs faster and keep people up longer. It in no way is ever needed to kill anything, but is there instead to make fights easier. And, no, you don't need voice and practice to use combo fields. They are clearly mapped out for you. And most are intuitive as how they are used. For insteace, on my warrior I have a massive AOE fire move that when people shoot throu it puts burning debuff on the boss. Doesn't take a lot of practice for me to figure out where that goes. Or on my ranger when people need a heal or remove debuffs I run over and use my heal on them and then shoot throu the heal to get regen. Again, it's more or less given how to use them. That honestly requires no practice or skill to figure it out, nor does it require you to say to your teammates "hey, I'm going to put down this fire field. shoot throu it for more deepz.". It's more like, /toss down fire field, people shoot boss through it and put fire debuff on boss or use skills that can utilize the fire in melee. |
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9/24/12 6:43:17 PM#186
Its amazing how this topic has progressed.
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9/24/12 6:47:32 PM#187
Originally posted by Xiaoki haha it's funny how you twist what people say.. but whatever floats your boat I guess.. it's simple combo fields help a LOT but they are NOT needed to complete content.. also you do not NEED to understand every combination to utilize them well.. they are also NOT hard to understand and use within a PUG.. hope that clears things up.. I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg |
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9/24/12 6:48:50 PM#188
Originally posted by Xiaoki 1. Combo fields are not hard to learn that they are helpful. 2. Combo fields are a big mechanic in this game. "help" is a generic term, but I never stated how much it does. I just stated that it is not necessary to win fights, which it is not. 3. 4. same as 2 Edit: Next time I will use the word, best mechanic in the game or something like that. I'm not going to give a quantifier on how helpful it is, becuase its different for each situation. |
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9/24/12 6:53:37 PM#189
I didnt twist anything.
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9/24/12 7:00:14 PM#190
Originally posted by eggy08 I think it's an interesting point about combo fields and how and why the are essential. It's tough to throw around the word "essential" with stuff like that, because it's very vague as to what people mean and very much counter to the game's apparent philosophy to say that you MUST do it. In some ways, people are saying you should take advantage of combo fields -- both yours and others. In other ways, I think people mean that you should be using your own skills which lay down fields, as well as learning to recognize what the fields of other classes look like. So in that way, it's too simple to say "use combo fields or die" --it's more complex that that. You must learn and understand "fields" in general, because they are as essential to the GW2 group dynamic as healers and tanks were in previous MMOs. I can give though a concrete example from my run last night in Twilight Arb. I was using my guardian alt, and use three particular consecrations which happened to also be combo fields. The first was Purging Flames, which will "Create a ring of fire that burns foes and cures conditions on allies." The second was Wall of Reflection, which will "Protect the targeted area with a wall of mystic power that reflects projectiles." The third -- which is just the bread and butter of a greatsword wielding guardian -- is Symbol of Wrath. In many trash first in TA, either you are dealing with a lot of poison and bleeds which are spraying around you from all directions, or you are being assailed by fuckin' annoying arrows from ranged. This means that I am, and my whole team is, getting bled, poisoned, or ranged in most fights. Of course, now I could say that we would have wiped many times if I hadn't been laying down Purging Flames during heavy poison/bleed encounters, or Symbol of Wrath near champions or bosses. I could also say that if I hadn't been strategically placing Wall of Reflection between the group and the ranged archers, allowing us to first burn down the melee, we also would have wiped. Is this true? Were these moves essential? That's hard to say, beause it's not only up to me to do these things, it's also up to the group. But my awareness of these things, and the awareness of the rest of the group of what Purging Flames looks like on the ground (so they know to run into it... or shoot through it) sure does help a damn lot. It's that get ticked down by the poison and wipe. This isn't even taking it to the second level of understand how your abilities react to each of the combo fields on the ground. Knowing that a blast or leap finisher will interact with that ring of Purging Flames on the ground to grant Retaliation, for example. There is a pretty huge meta game with the interactions going on which takes a lot of understanding. It's not like any one of these things is essential perhaps, but I would argue that they are the very key to success in the dungeons. They're of course not the only factor, but they're certainly a big part of the game. Getting something like Retaliation on you, for example, isn't going to save you from some attacks, but it will certainly add mitigation. Then you might get Aegis added to that from someone, and have your bleeds stripped of by someone else, and regeneration by another. All these little things add up. |
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9/24/12 7:00:31 PM#191
Originally posted by Xiaoki You twisted my words and assumed that "helps" is only a fraction of anything. So yes, you twisted it to meet your own argument. I said helps because it in fact does that, it helps, but isn't the end all skill to get you to win. Period. |
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9/24/12 7:04:24 PM#192
Originally posted by GrayGhost79 As promised.... My 17 year old daughter doing CM story mode for the first time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4E_FgzJ664&feature=youtu.be http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFtqd7yR6eg&feature=youtu.be
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9/24/12 7:21:04 PM#193
You're saying I twisted your words when I paraphrased "it 'helps'". And your response to that is it doesnt help as in small nor big, it helps as in helps because it helps.
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9/24/12 7:28:40 PM#194
Originally posted by Xiaoki You stated that my words of "it helps" contradicts the other words in the series. Which it doesn't. You twisted it to your own meaning of it helps meaning that it is less important than previously stated, which isn't true. I stated that I only used that word to generalize what the combo fields do, instead of saying it is the end all. |
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9/25/12 8:39:32 AM#195
Boy, the OPs description of drawing bad guys -a mob is a group of bad guys, not a single bad guy... English, folks- in sounds like how things used to be in WoW prior to my quitting that game. I played from Christmas 2004 to June or July 2006 in that piece of crap and, once I finished exploring every square inch I could get to, I quit the game and never looked back. That was, primarily, because whomever was designing the dungeons had NO clue, whatsoever, what role-playing was about and, thus, designed a console gamers dungeon. I'm sorry to hear the GW2 devs seem to have gone back to the old way of doing things.
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9/25/12 9:32:18 AM#196
Well if you dont like it quit playing cause I dont see them chaning the whole dungeon agro cause you dont like it. This is something they probably would never change and their is no point of making a thread and complaining about it. I feel like I wasted 3 mins of my life reading what you wrote and typing this in a thread that will die probably in 2 days.
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maskedweasel
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9/25/12 1:12:24 PM#197
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Not to nitpick on it, but you didn't show the first door pull after the robot boss who is extremely easy post patch, but that first door pull is usually the toughest pull in that dungeon, and its conspicuously missing from this video. Secondly, you had a team of 3 guardians and a warrior, its not unheard of to find a PUG like that, but not a single light armored character and 4 heavy armored characters 3 of which that can heal on a Dungeon that requires you to stand and fight then run (snipers deal substantially more damage on moving targets).
Regardless, no players went down in the parts of the video that you showed, and I honestly don't care that much to delve any deeper into it. I offered to see things first hand instead of a second hand video and you declined, and thats fine.
"Loan me a Dragon I wanna see space"
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9/25/12 1:17:08 PM#198
Actually I think the WORST dungeon system is any dungeon system that locks you out of a boss fight if you die. Being able to run back to the fight and get back in the action if you die is great compared to sitting in a lockout ring or behind a "wall" waiting for the rest of the party to hopefully complete it or more likely die. I will agree that the dungeons feel a bit too hard especially for PUGgin even in the story mode. |
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maskedweasel
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9/25/12 1:27:16 PM#199
Originally posted by Ryukan I think SWTOR did that a few times on certain bosses.. if you died or got disconnected on a boss.. you had to wait for everyone to wipe before you could get back in and fight them. I agree that I don't like it... but sometimes the additional challenge of getting it done all together can be rewarding too. "Loan me a Dragon I wanna see space"
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9/25/12 2:19:24 PM#200
Originally posted by maskedweasel As I said shes not use to my setup so hit the fraps button here and there in the beginning. The rest goes on uninterupted after I showed her which button not to mess with. I've done this story mode with 2 mesmers, 2 elementalists and a rouge + me with the same results as well as several other profession combinations. Hell once I ran through with 4 engineers and myself. Pre-patch and Post-patch CM story mode is cake. I simply provided proof of it. As I said, it's cake and I proved my point so... not really much else to say lol. |
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