Originally posted by Clocksimus

Originally posted by Xiaoki

I think the DEs in GW2 are in ways worse than the rifts in Rift.

In Rift everyone was placed in a group, no one talks and everyone just drops group immediately after the rift is down but you were part of a group.

In GW2 you are doing a DE with 20 other people but you are by yourself the entire time. You're not part of a group, no one talks and people walk away after the DE even though there are more parts to it.

In GW2 you might as well be doing DEs with a bunch of NPCs because thats what this system has turned other people into.

The one shining example of people supporting each other: reviving others that are Downed, happens less and less the higher level you are. People begin to realize that participation credit for all DEs is based on damage done only so taking a couple seconds to revive someone that couldnt be bothered to dodge out of the AoE could mean a drop a Bronze. Or worse yet, to no credit at all. This can happen when you have 40 people zerging their way to victory in the Orr DEs.

Perfect example of how GW2 does not want players to help each other.  The interesting part is the played off down state as a community builder. Help your downed ally! "No sorry I'm busy making sure I get max karma. Not my fault he sucks"

 Sounds like life to me in many cases. Choose between stopping what you are doing to help or continuing what you are doing and benefit personally more.

This game is not anti social, people are. This game is as social as YOU the player make it. If you find yourself going for max karma instead of helping another player in need of help then you made a CHOICE. Its not like karma has to be maxed in every quest or the game ends. You can choose to do either. Be a team player or be a selfless twit. By the responses on these forums I am starting to understand.  

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Clocksimus

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Thorbrand
You can enjoy the game solo but your topic is off. I think GW2 proved that there needs to be a trinity and there needs to be grouping. There is no socialization to the game outside Hi Thank you and have a good day. I hate playing solo even if I can play solo and given this game is all about soloing most people don't want to group and a lot of players are not doing dungeons becuase they find it to hard without roles in the party.

that's WAY more than I get in most themeparks these days.. at least GW2 has a system to bring people together and actually want to fight along side eachother in every quest. Lack of communication is soley on the person behind the keyboard.. sure you could make a game with tons of group only content but as long as there's a route you can take without much interaction a good number of people will go that route.. just how these games are these days

The social in older MMO's  were often bad.

The social in GW2 is a different kind of bad.

Bad is still bad. GW2 community  imo is actually worse than any MMO out currently but the difference is, no one talks in GW2 so it defaults to the illusion of a nice community. In reality it should default to it has none. Lack of social doesn't make social better or good.

i'd rather actually play along side other people in an online game whether they talk or not.. at least in GW2 i play alongside others almost the entire time unlike most other recent MMOs

You are entitled to your opinion! 

However, I would rather play "with" people than "alongside" them.  Seems to me just knowing other people are playing the game does not make me feel like im playing with other people.  

Lath

Originally posted by Lathial

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Clocksimus

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Thorbrand
You can enjoy the game solo but your topic is off. I think GW2 proved that there needs to be a trinity and there needs to be grouping. There is no socialization to the game outside Hi Thank you and have a good day. I hate playing solo even if I can play solo and given this game is all about soloing most people don't want to group and a lot of players are not doing dungeons becuase they find it to hard without roles in the party.

that's WAY more than I get in most themeparks these days.. at least GW2 has a system to bring people together and actually want to fight along side eachother in every quest. Lack of communication is soley on the person behind the keyboard.. sure you could make a game with tons of group only content but as long as there's a route you can take without much interaction a good number of people will go that route.. just how these games are these days

The social in older MMO's  were often bad.

The social in GW2 is a different kind of bad.

Bad is still bad. GW2 community  imo is actually worse than any MMO out currently but the difference is, no one talks in GW2 so it defaults to the illusion of a nice community. In reality it should default to it has none. Lack of social doesn't make social better or good.

i'd rather actually play along side other people in an online game whether they talk or not.. at least in GW2 i play alongside others almost the entire time unlike most other recent MMOs

You are entitled to your opinion! 

However, I would rather play "with" people than "alongside" them.  Seems to me just knowing other people are playing the game does not make me feel like im playing with other people.  

 

Lath

I disagree its peoples actions how they react and fight with you is what makes the difference... and it's not hard ot tell you are fighting alongside real people and say a NPC.. you play together and feed off eachother taking down harder ecounters as a group.. that's what this game is all about to me and I love it.. unlike all the other recent MMOs I have played where unless I actively saught out people to group/play with it just didn't happen.. as they say actions speak much louder than words

Originally posted by Lathial

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Clocksimus

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Thorbrand
You can enjoy the game solo but your topic is off. I think GW2 proved that there needs to be a trinity and there needs to be grouping. There is no socialization to the game outside Hi Thank you and have a good day. I hate playing solo even if I can play solo and given this game is all about soloing most people don't want to group and a lot of players are not doing dungeons becuase they find it to hard without roles in the party.

that's WAY more than I get in most themeparks these days.. at least GW2 has a system to bring people together and actually want to fight along side eachother in every quest. Lack of communication is soley on the person behind the keyboard.. sure you could make a game with tons of group only content but as long as there's a route you can take without much interaction a good number of people will go that route.. just how these games are these days

The social in older MMO's  were often bad.

The social in GW2 is a different kind of bad.

Bad is still bad. GW2 community  imo is actually worse than any MMO out currently but the difference is, no one talks in GW2 so it defaults to the illusion of a nice community. In reality it should default to it has none. Lack of social doesn't make social better or good.

i'd rather actually play along side other people in an online game whether they talk or not.. at least in GW2 i play alongside others almost the entire time unlike most other recent MMOs

You are entitled to your opinion! 

However, I would rather play "with" people than "alongside" them.  Seems to me just knowing other people are playing the game does not make me feel like im playing with other people.  

 

Lath

And nothing is stopping you from achieving that, other than your own decisions.

If you honestly think people are falling for this pile of bullshit, get real. Grouping and socialization in this game is fucking key, unless you want to sit on the sidelines as an off-brand scrub and hope one day someone notices you.

Originally posted by Kost

Originally posted by Lathial

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Clocksimus

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Thorbrand
You can enjoy the game solo but your topic is off. I think GW2 proved that there needs to be a trinity and there needs to be grouping. There is no socialization to the game outside Hi Thank you and have a good day. I hate playing solo even if I can play solo and given this game is all about soloing most people don't want to group and a lot of players are not doing dungeons becuase they find it to hard without roles in the party.

that's WAY more than I get in most themeparks these days.. at least GW2 has a system to bring people together and actually want to fight along side eachother in every quest. Lack of communication is soley on the person behind the keyboard.. sure you could make a game with tons of group only content but as long as there's a route you can take without much interaction a good number of people will go that route.. just how these games are these days

The social in older MMO's  were often bad.

The social in GW2 is a different kind of bad.

Bad is still bad. GW2 community  imo is actually worse than any MMO out currently but the difference is, no one talks in GW2 so it defaults to the illusion of a nice community. In reality it should default to it has none. Lack of social doesn't make social better or good.

i'd rather actually play along side other people in an online game whether they talk or not.. at least in GW2 i play alongside others almost the entire time unlike most other recent MMOs

You are entitled to your opinion! 

However, I would rather play "with" people than "alongside" them.  Seems to me just knowing other people are playing the game does not make me feel like im playing with other people.  

 

Lath

And nothing is stopping you from achieving that, other than your own decisions.

If you honestly think people are falling for this pile of bullshit, get real. Grouping and socialization in this game is fucking key, unless you want to sit on the sidelines as an off-brand scrub and hope one day someone notices you.

 Are you saying GW2 allows grouping? From some of these posts I assumed that GW2 had a no group and no party policy that prevented people from playing together. I also assumed there was no in game chat since posts here seem to allude to there being no in game conversation. What about guilds? Are you going to say there are guilds where people can get together with many like minded gamers?

Originally posted by Kost

Originally posted by Lathial

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Clocksimus

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Thorbrand
You can enjoy the game solo but your topic is off. I think GW2 proved that there needs to be a trinity and there needs to be grouping. There is no socialization to the game outside Hi Thank you and have a good day. I hate playing solo even if I can play solo and given this game is all about soloing most people don't want to group and a lot of players are not doing dungeons becuase they find it to hard without roles in the party.

that's WAY more than I get in most themeparks these days.. at least GW2 has a system to bring people together and actually want to fight along side eachother in every quest. Lack of communication is soley on the person behind the keyboard.. sure you could make a game with tons of group only content but as long as there's a route you can take without much interaction a good number of people will go that route.. just how these games are these days

The social in older MMO's  were often bad.

The social in GW2 is a different kind of bad.

Bad is still bad. GW2 community  imo is actually worse than any MMO out currently but the difference is, no one talks in GW2 so it defaults to the illusion of a nice community. In reality it should default to it has none. Lack of social doesn't make social better or good.

i'd rather actually play along side other people in an online game whether they talk or not.. at least in GW2 i play alongside others almost the entire time unlike most other recent MMOs

You are entitled to your opinion! 

However, I would rather play "with" people than "alongside" them.  Seems to me just knowing other people are playing the game does not make me feel like im playing with other people.  

 

Lath

And nothing is stopping you from achieving that, other than your own decisions.

If you honestly think people are falling for this pile of bullshit, get real. Grouping and socialization in this game is fucking key, unless you want to sit on the sidelines as an off-brand scrub and hope one day someone notices you.

Wow, take a chill pill buddy!  I didnt mean to poke your sore spot.  Guess talking calmly and rationally about some basic issues, that more than one person is having- is too hard for ya.   I'll just move on and let you vent- and come back later

lath

Originally posted by Rokurgepta

Originally posted by Kost

Originally posted by Lathial

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Clocksimus

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Thorbrand
You can enjoy the game solo but your topic is off. I think GW2 proved that there needs to be a trinity and there needs to be grouping. There is no socialization to the game outside Hi Thank you and have a good day. I hate playing solo even if I can play solo and given this game is all about soloing most people don't want to group and a lot of players are not doing dungeons becuase they find it to hard without roles in the party.

that's WAY more than I get in most themeparks these days.. at least GW2 has a system to bring people together and actually want to fight along side eachother in every quest. Lack of communication is soley on the person behind the keyboard.. sure you could make a game with tons of group only content but as long as there's a route you can take without much interaction a good number of people will go that route.. just how these games are these days

The social in older MMO's  were often bad.

The social in GW2 is a different kind of bad.

Bad is still bad. GW2 community  imo is actually worse than any MMO out currently but the difference is, no one talks in GW2 so it defaults to the illusion of a nice community. In reality it should default to it has none. Lack of social doesn't make social better or good.

i'd rather actually play along side other people in an online game whether they talk or not.. at least in GW2 i play alongside others almost the entire time unlike most other recent MMOs

You are entitled to your opinion! 

However, I would rather play "with" people than "alongside" them.  Seems to me just knowing other people are playing the game does not make me feel like im playing with other people.  

 

Lath

And nothing is stopping you from achieving that, other than your own decisions.

If you honestly think people are falling for this pile of bullshit, get real. Grouping and socialization in this game is fucking key, unless you want to sit on the sidelines as an off-brand scrub and hope one day someone notices you.

 Are you saying GW2 allows grouping? From some of these posts I assumed that GW2 had a no group and no party policy that prevented people from playing together. I also assumed there was no in game chat since posts here seem to allude to there being no in game conversation. What about guilds? Are you going to say there are guilds where people can get together with many like minded gamers?

Ya but you can be in so many guilds, so guilds don't actually exist.

Honestly I grouped for the first time a few days ago just to see if people would actually join or sit in their corners instead and go "no.. I play alone." Turns out everyone in the area joined my group to help kill a champion and 2 elites. We could of not said a word, sat next to the mob until enough showed up. Instead I actually went around, using /say (shot myself in the foot later because I didn't know that was possible) and got it together in a few minutes. Killed the mobs and walked away, same as every other MMO I played, so you can do this.

Then yesterday I was chilling in a cave and breezing along when I got a group invite. Turned out it was a group of 3 who just wanted to help each other out and go do stuff. Killed a champion spider. Had a nice chat about how one of the girls hated bugs. Helped one with their personal story for no purpose to myself and went seperate ways.

So honestly, I think it's the complainers fault straight up, because I was the same way where I loathed groups and just wanted to level my char. But if you put in even a tiny bit of effort, you can have the same experience as any other game. Enjoy.

Originally posted by Lathial

Originally posted by Kost

Originally posted by Lathial

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Clocksimus

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Thorbrand
You can enjoy the game solo but your topic is off. I think GW2 proved that there needs to be a trinity and there needs to be grouping. There is no socialization to the game outside Hi Thank you and have a good day. I hate playing solo even if I can play solo and given this game is all about soloing most people don't want to group and a lot of players are not doing dungeons becuase they find it to hard without roles in the party.

that's WAY more than I get in most themeparks these days.. at least GW2 has a system to bring people together and actually want to fight along side eachother in every quest. Lack of communication is soley on the person behind the keyboard.. sure you could make a game with tons of group only content but as long as there's a route you can take without much interaction a good number of people will go that route.. just how these games are these days

The social in older MMO's  were often bad.

The social in GW2 is a different kind of bad.

Bad is still bad. GW2 community  imo is actually worse than any MMO out currently but the difference is, no one talks in GW2 so it defaults to the illusion of a nice community. In reality it should default to it has none. Lack of social doesn't make social better or good.

i'd rather actually play along side other people in an online game whether they talk or not.. at least in GW2 i play alongside others almost the entire time unlike most other recent MMOs

You are entitled to your opinion! 

However, I would rather play "with" people than "alongside" them.  Seems to me just knowing other people are playing the game does not make me feel like im playing with other people.  

 

Lath

And nothing is stopping you from achieving that, other than your own decisions.

If you honestly think people are falling for this pile of bullshit, get real. Grouping and socialization in this game is fucking key, unless you want to sit on the sidelines as an off-brand scrub and hope one day someone notices you.

Wow, take a chill pill buddy!  I didnt mean to poke your sore spot.  Guess talking calmly and rationally about some basic issues, that more than one person is having- is too hard for ya.   I'll just move on and let you vent- and come back later

 

lath

 That poster was not venting any more than you are. Instead of fake leaving why not stay and debate him rationally and calmly like you claimed to be? Many people are having social issues with the game, and that is because many people have social issues in real life.

The common issue in this game seems to be this, if the game does not force socializing many people avoid being social. Blaming the game for a people problem is silly.

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Originally posted by Rokurgepta
I also assumed there was no in game chat since posts here seem to allude to there being no in game conversation. What about guilds? Are you going to say there are guilds where people can get together with many like minded gamers?

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I would try and talk to the guild with a friendly "good morning" or say "welcome back" when people would log on but no one responded and after days or a week of no one in the guild ever talking I would quit and try and find a guild that would actually be social. Alas, to no avail.

This is most definitely a first for me in MMOs and its a first I thought I would never see. Thanks GW2.

Originally posted by Xiaoki

 

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Originally posted by Rokurgepta
I also assumed there was no in game chat since posts here seem to allude to there being no in game conversation. What about guilds? Are you going to say there are guilds where people can get together with many like minded gamers?

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Ive been in several guilds and Ive quit them all because no one ever talked. EVER.

 

I would try and talk to the guild with a friendly "good morning" or say "welcome back" when people would log on but no one responded and after days or a week of no one in the guild ever talking I would quit and try and find a guild that would actually be social. Alas, to no avail.

This is most definitely a first for me in MMOs and its a first I thought I would never see. Thanks GW2.

 Sorry I refuse to blame the GAME for PEOPLE being rude. People are what they are. I have found in the many years of being online that the online world tends to attract the socially awkward to a world where they can act in ways real life does not always allow.

Online games have their share of the social misfits. I have run into them in every game. I dont feel GW2 has more than its share.

Originally posted by Rokurgepta

Originally posted by Lathial

Originally posted by Kost

Originally posted by Lathial

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Clocksimus

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Thorbrand
You can enjoy the game solo but your topic is off. I think GW2 proved that there needs to be a trinity and there needs to be grouping. There is no socialization to the game outside Hi Thank you and have a good day. I hate playing solo even if I can play solo and given this game is all about soloing most people don't want to group and a lot of players are not doing dungeons becuase they find it to hard without roles in the party.

that's WAY more than I get in most themeparks these days.. at least GW2 has a system to bring people together and actually want to fight along side eachother in every quest. Lack of communication is soley on the person behind the keyboard.. sure you could make a game with tons of group only content but as long as there's a route you can take without much interaction a good number of people will go that route.. just how these games are these days

The social in older MMO's  were often bad.

The social in GW2 is a different kind of bad.

Bad is still bad. GW2 community  imo is actually worse than any MMO out currently but the difference is, no one talks in GW2 so it defaults to the illusion of a nice community. In reality it should default to it has none. Lack of social doesn't make social better or good.

i'd rather actually play along side other people in an online game whether they talk or not.. at least in GW2 i play alongside others almost the entire time unlike most other recent MMOs

You are entitled to your opinion! 

However, I would rather play "with" people than "alongside" them.  Seems to me just knowing other people are playing the game does not make me feel like im playing with other people.  

 

Lath

And nothing is stopping you from achieving that, other than your own decisions.

If you honestly think people are falling for this pile of bullshit, get real. Grouping and socialization in this game is fucking key, unless you want to sit on the sidelines as an off-brand scrub and hope one day someone notices you.

Wow, take a chill pill buddy!  I didnt mean to poke your sore spot.  Guess talking calmly and rationally about some basic issues, that more than one person is having- is too hard for ya.   I'll just move on and let you vent- and come back later

 

lath

 That poster was not venting any more than you are. Instead of fake leaving why not stay and debate him rationally and calmly like you claimed to be? Many people are having social issues with the game, and that is because many people have social issues in real life.

 

The common issue in this game seems to be this, if the game does not force socializing many people avoid being social. Blaming the game for a people problem is silly.

I guess you missed the calm and rational part of the equation.  When people call your opinions BS and use the "F" word it usually means calm and rational are not going to be the way things proceed...  At least thats how it is in my world.  Do you usually debate issues calmly and rationally by calling people’s ideas a pile of bullshit and then using the "F" word?  

will wait calmly and rationally for your response...

Lath

OP -

I agree.  Trinity is there for  a reason.  I'm glad GW2 reminded us why.

Man, I come back to these forums just to see if anything has changed and NOPE they have not!  There are still individuals who spew outright fallacies as if they were true.  I prefer to use real, concrete examples as opposed to vague generalizations that could be created without even reading the game's website.  So let me share some with you...

I made myself a guild chat channel in game when I want to talk to my guildies because there are so many people speaking in /map chat that I miss some of what my guildies are saying.  To say that there is very little communication or socializing is incorrect.

As for the trinity, knowing HOW to play your profession is key because not only will you play better for yourself but you WILL impact the play of others.  Some buddies of mine and I (wife included!) have tried the Ascalonian Catacombs story mode twice.  YES, we are taking our time and real life does have a way of eating up free time so AC is new to us. 

The engineer in my group was doing a great job kiting an Ascalonian ghost warrior while we were taking down an elementalist and mesmer.  However, I saw that he became crippled.  I used the third skill on my scepter (GRD profession) and CCed the warrior in place for a few ticks but then our ENGI was hit with some knockdown ability from the mesmer.  I quickly switched to shield and mace and used my 5th ability to knock the warrior away from him once again.  He regained his feet and I was able to turn back to the elementalist and help finish it off.

My point?  It was FUN to be able to think on the fly in real time and not have a predetermined  rotation of skills based on what I was SUPPOSED to be doing in the fight.  I got to do what I WANTED to do which was to protect him and then switch back to melee on a caster...and it WORKED!  As a result I became better at my profession and using my skills.  I was only able to do so because I was SOCIALIZING with others. 

The awesome part was since I learned  HOW to play my profession I was a better TEAM player...and the only one in the group with NO repair bill...never died in the whole run. :)

Anyway, there is socialization in the game if you seek it...I joined a very active guild with people I already knew.

But I must say...you have EIGHT characters already and most are over 40?  So you have two accounts or paid for extra character slots?  You must really like the game...er wait do you hate it?  I mean that's a lot of time and money put into a game that was NEVER going to have a trinity in the first place.  How did you miss that fact?

Perhaps you missed socialization opportunities while speed leveling all those characters.  How do you have the time?

Games are what you make of them, as others have said.  Don't blame the game for what you choose not to do.

Originally posted by grimal

OP -

I agree.  Trinity is there for  a reason.  I'm glad GW2 reminded us why.

yup reminded us why it's not needed to have fun and enjoy multiple ways to play a single class:)

Originally posted by Lathial

Originally posted by Rokurgepta

Originally posted by Lathial

Originally posted by Kost

Originally posted by Lathial

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Clocksimus

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Thorbrand
You can enjoy the game solo but your topic is off. I think GW2 proved that there needs to be a trinity and there needs to be grouping. There is no socialization to the game outside Hi Thank you and have a good day. I hate playing solo even if I can play solo and given this game is all about soloing most people don't want to group and a lot of players are not doing dungeons becuase they find it to hard without roles in the party.

that's WAY more than I get in most themeparks these days.. at least GW2 has a system to bring people together and actually want to fight along side eachother in every quest. Lack of communication is soley on the person behind the keyboard.. sure you could make a game with tons of group only content but as long as there's a route you can take without much interaction a good number of people will go that route.. just how these games are these days

The social in older MMO's  were often bad.

The social in GW2 is a different kind of bad.

Bad is still bad. GW2 community  imo is actually worse than any MMO out currently but the difference is, no one talks in GW2 so it defaults to the illusion of a nice community. In reality it should default to it has none. Lack of social doesn't make social better or good.

i'd rather actually play along side other people in an online game whether they talk or not.. at least in GW2 i play alongside others almost the entire time unlike most other recent MMOs

You are entitled to your opinion! 

However, I would rather play "with" people than "alongside" them.  Seems to me just knowing other people are playing the game does not make me feel like im playing with other people.  

 

Lath

And nothing is stopping you from achieving that, other than your own decisions.

If you honestly think people are falling for this pile of bullshit, get real. Grouping and socialization in this game is fucking key, unless you want to sit on the sidelines as an off-brand scrub and hope one day someone notices you.

Wow, take a chill pill buddy!  I didnt mean to poke your sore spot.  Guess talking calmly and rationally about some basic issues, that more than one person is having- is too hard for ya.   I'll just move on and let you vent- and come back later

 

lath

 That poster was not venting any more than you are. Instead of fake leaving why not stay and debate him rationally and calmly like you claimed to be? Many people are having social issues with the game, and that is because many people have social issues in real life.

 

The common issue in this game seems to be this, if the game does not force socializing many people avoid being social. Blaming the game for a people problem is silly.

 

I guess you missed the calm and rational part of the equation.  When people call your opinions BS and use the "F" word it usually means calm and rational are not going to be the way things proceed...  At least thats how it is in my world.  Do you usually debate issues calmly and rationally by calling people’s ideas a pile of bullshit and then using the "F" word?  

will wait calmly and rationally for your response...

 

Lath

Honestly, I've been down this path before. By the time that someone goes for calm and rational as their basis of their argument and leaves the conversation after that, it shows that they lost and have nothing more to say, besides the points that were already disputed before. They show they are far too stubborn to change their way of thinking and not able to see the other side of the argument.

Originally posted by Lathial

Originally posted by Rokurgepta

Originally posted by Lathial

Originally posted by Kost

Originally posted by Lathial

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Clocksimus

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Thorbrand
You can enjoy the game solo but your topic is off. I think GW2 proved that there needs to be a trinity and there needs to be grouping. There is no socialization to the game outside Hi Thank you and have a good day. I hate playing solo even if I can play solo and given this game is all about soloing most people don't want to group and a lot of players are not doing dungeons becuase they find it to hard without roles in the party.

that's WAY more than I get in most themeparks these days.. at least GW2 has a system to bring people together and actually want to fight along side eachother in every quest. Lack of communication is soley on the person behind the keyboard.. sure you could make a game with tons of group only content but as long as there's a route you can take without much interaction a good number of people will go that route.. just how these games are these days

The social in older MMO's  were often bad.

The social in GW2 is a different kind of bad.

Bad is still bad. GW2 community  imo is actually worse than any MMO out currently but the difference is, no one talks in GW2 so it defaults to the illusion of a nice community. In reality it should default to it has none. Lack of social doesn't make social better or good.

i'd rather actually play along side other people in an online game whether they talk or not.. at least in GW2 i play alongside others almost the entire time unlike most other recent MMOs

You are entitled to your opinion! 

However, I would rather play "with" people than "alongside" them.  Seems to me just knowing other people are playing the game does not make me feel like im playing with other people.  

 

Lath

And nothing is stopping you from achieving that, other than your own decisions.

If you honestly think people are falling for this pile of bullshit, get real. Grouping and socialization in this game is fucking key, unless you want to sit on the sidelines as an off-brand scrub and hope one day someone notices you.

Wow, take a chill pill buddy!  I didnt mean to poke your sore spot.  Guess talking calmly and rationally about some basic issues, that more than one person is having- is too hard for ya.   I'll just move on and let you vent- and come back later

 

lath

 That poster was not venting any more than you are. Instead of fake leaving why not stay and debate him rationally and calmly like you claimed to be? Many people are having social issues with the game, and that is because many people have social issues in real life.

 

The common issue in this game seems to be this, if the game does not force socializing many people avoid being social. Blaming the game for a people problem is silly.

 

I guess you missed the calm and rational part of the equation.  When people call your opinions BS and use the "F" word it usually means calm and rational are not going to be the way things proceed...  At least thats how it is in my world.  Do you usually debate issues calmly and rationally by calling people’s ideas a pile of bullshit and then using the "F" word?  

will wait calmly and rationally for your response...

 

Lath

 You are right I glossed over his use of those words without even noticing when I responded to you and that was wrong. That said I still think you are wrong about the game being the issue. This is a people issue not a game one. People seem to want a game that forces grouping so they are forced to be social, I prefer to be social and have fun without being forced into it.

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Lathial

 

If 99.999% of the content can be zerged or kited I feel comfortable calsifying it as such.  But just to be clear and so you dont get all bunched up down there- I will change my coment to: 99.9999% of the content can be zerged or kited.

Lath

100% false statement fyi:)

In these boards when you post your opinion, you have to use clarifying terms like "feels like most" or "Seems like" or "My experience is" Otherwise you get called out for misinformation.

BTW, what is the correct percentage of content that can be zerged or kited? I'm curious to know.

I have to agree with the OP.  This game is no more social than a FPS.  Yea, we're all fighting on the same map but you'd be hard pressed to call it a team or collaborative effort.   

Sure the game is fun for a bit but for many of us, it's the social aspects of MMO's that keep us engaged over the long term. 

While some may not miss the trinity, I also feel that not having it will hurt the game over the long run.  You simply cannot create an immersive PvE experience with the "every man for himself" mentality which seems to be the case in most pugs.  

Sure, you could set up organized guild runs but I'm finding that a lot of people I play with do the dungeons once and don't touch them again due to them being more annoying than fun and not providing much in terms of rewards. 

At the end of the day, GW2 is pretty much exactly what many predicted, a decent game to play for a month or two that you can come back to anytime... nothing really wrong with that I guess.

Originally posted by grimal

OP -

I agree.  Trinity is there for  a reason.  I'm glad GW2 reminded us why.

 Trinity is there for one main reason. So crap players can roll healers after failing as DPS and Tanks and still get raid groups.

Personally I roll healers first so I dont have to fail at DPS and Tanking I just go straight to healer and hide my crap play behind my clerics symbol.

Originally posted by Xiaoki

 

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Originally posted by Rokurgepta
I also assumed there was no in game chat since posts here seem to allude to there being no in game conversation. What about guilds? Are you going to say there are guilds where people can get together with many like minded gamers?

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Ive been in several guilds and Ive quit them all because no one ever talked. EVER.

 

I would try and talk to the guild with a friendly "good morning" or say "welcome back" when people would log on but no one responded and after days or a week of no one in the guild ever talking I would quit and try and find a guild that would actually be social. Alas, to no avail.

This is most definitely a first for me in MMOs and its a first I thought I would never see. Thanks GW2.

All of them were that way?  Wow, what terrible miserable luck you must have.  Does anyone you already know play the game?  Join a guild with them!  My guild (Heroes of Fate: Sorrow's Furnace) talks ALL the time and usually not about the game but life in general with a smattering of crafting tips, grouping up to do dungeons/WvW and offering items to other guildies for free.

Give it another shot, maybe join one of the guilds that is recruiting?