Originally posted by Hrimnir

Originally posted by Cothor

WvW seems pointless really. The bonuses are not significant enough to care about.

spvp is pointless as the gear cannot be worn outside

Dungeons are pointless other than farming shards for crafting

It would seem there is no way to elevate yourself beyond others, there is no form of name recognition, no way to be known as the richest, best, etc. Just pointless content.

The graphics and questing system are very good, but once you hit 80 the game just comes to a halt. Perhaps I am missing something here?

Nope, not missing anything.  Basically you're 100% correct, its a game made for new age socialists who loathe the idea of putting in work towards something that would gain them any benefit over others.

Edit: Unless that benefit is purely aesthetic, then its A-OK (logical dissonance what?)

and calling someone a socialist because they don't like to grind gear until their eyes bleed is logical?

Originally posted by KungFuPanda2012

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Originally posted by KungFuPanda2012

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Originally posted by BadSpock

Point of the game is to have fun.

Fun is subjective - if you are having fun, you play - if you are not, play something else!

This is why some people love sandbox MMOs, some love WoW-type end-game MMOs, some like open world PvP, some like instanced battleground/Arena type PvP....

I mean... call me Captain Obvious here - but you people are saying "I don't like something so what's the point of it??"

The point is - if you don't like it - move on.

I'd tell you the EXACT same thing no matter what game or activity it is.

Wasting everyone's time trying to get other people to explain "it" to you, when "it" is different for each person.

Move on - thanks for stopping by, don't let the door hit you on the way out - and good luck in finding something you enjoy long term!

Translation: I don't like your opinion so you aren't welcome here.

Sorry Spock, I usually find your posts well thought out and on the money, even if I don't agree. But this one is not the case.

We all paid for the game. We all played it but only some of us enjoy it, That in no way has anything to do with our right to come here and discuss our experiences good or bad.

When we speak bullshit we get called out on it, When we get called out on something that isn't bullshit, we defend our positions. When we find something we agree with, we quote it and second the thought. When we see somthing we don't agree with we question it. Tha'ts what we do here.

Well out of context it does sound dickish, but with the rest of the post - what else is there to say?

Does GW2 need more of a sense of progression? I don't know - some would say yes while some would say no - and most who would say yes are (like the OP) asking to be "better" than other people which is not really what GW1 or 2 is about so...

In context, how am I wrong? It is stupid to say "I don't agree with you so you are wrong" but it is ALSO stupid to say "I hate apples, I like oranges, and I bought an apple, and now I want to complain about this apple because it's not an orange."

Asking for the game to change to meet your expectations is normal, niave, but normal. Happens all the time on these forums.

"I don't like X and want it changed to Y."

That is like, forum 101.

But I thought it was kind of well understood as a "core" system of GW2 that it wasn't going to be a certain way.

And besides, if the OP has full exotic gear (max stats) how is that any different than maxing out your raid/dungeon/pvp gear in a month in any other MMORPG (or MMO expansion) and then complaining until the next "tier" comes out and you can do it all over again?

This is not a problem unique to GW2 - all MMOs have an end to progression - and the good ones still give you a lot to do after you've "maxed out" and GW2 is readily included in that list.

Not the games fault the OP maxed out so fast, it's a fault with the entire genre.

Now, see this is more like you. 

I got nuthin.

LOL

Did you pick up your copy of king fu panda yet? you might take a rest from the guild wars 2 forum for a few days to grind your brains out to get those epicxxxwtflazorz pwner lootz, so  that you can feel like there is a point to your day.

What if I said I did buy MoP?

you did buy mop lets not beat around the bush, you're so tranparent it's almost comical to read your comments.

Well then, OK. I'm glad you enjoyed it.

Originally posted by Eir_S

Originally posted by botrytis
People not usderstanding that the game is not about Armor-stat grind and being Raid ready is not A.Net's fault. It is the players fault for thinking 'MMO's have a one size fits all' formula.

I feel like I've said this a billion times myself.  Nobody's listening, too busy filling their ears with sand.

*busily packing his ears with sand*

Huh? Wazzat? SPEAK UP!!

Yeah I agree the people that went into this game expecitng it to have the same grinds and time sinks as Wow have only themselves to blame as they obviously weren't paying any attention to what A-net was saying the game was going to be for at least the last couple of years.

I for one remember on more than one occasion saying that  bunch of players would not like the game because they won't change the playing habbits they've been conditioned to have by the long slew of Wow and Wowesque games over the past near decade. Its not the games fault if players buy it but don't enjoy it because they refuse to adapt to a new playing style.

That said, in order to keep my GW2 hater pimphand strong, I will say that to me personally I don't find the changes to the system made by GW2 to be any more exciting than the old "Wow" standard. Its certainly different but to me isn't really any better.

Originally posted by Cothor

WvW seems pointless really. The bonuses are not significant enough to care about.

spvp is pointless as the gear cannot be worn outside

Dungeons are pointless other than farming shards for crafting

It would seem there is no way to elevate yourself beyond others, there is no form of name recognition, no way to be known as the richest, best, etc. Just pointless content.

The graphics and questing system are very good, but once you hit 80 the game just comes to a halt. Perhaps I am missing something here?

These are some good points but considering there's no GvG in the game it shouldn't be call Guild Wars 2 it should be call World Wars cuz being in a guild without being able to go against other guilds to see who's better then who does make this game pointless I loved GvG and why it's not in GW 2 is so stupid.

Originally posted by Ramadar

Originally posted by Cothor

WvW seems pointless really. The bonuses are not significant enough to care about.

spvp is pointless as the gear cannot be worn outside

Dungeons are pointless other than farming shards for crafting

It would seem there is no way to elevate yourself beyond others, there is no form of name recognition, no way to be known as the richest, best, etc. Just pointless content.

The graphics and questing system are very good, but once you hit 80 the game just comes to a halt. Perhaps I am missing something here?

These are some good points but considering there's no GvG in the game it shouldn't be call Guild Wars 2 it should be call World Wars cuz being in a guild without being able to go against other guilds to see who's better then who does make this game pointless I loved GvG and why it's not in GW 2 is so stupid.

They said it was coming, just not in the initial release of the game. A.Net knows people loved the GvG aspect of GW1 and they just want to make sure it is implemented properly.

Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC

I'm with you now. The game was great, but I am finished with it.

 

Aren't you never really supposed to be finished with an MMORPG?

Finished?  

8 dungeons with multiple paths so you have done all 33 variations of them?

you have full armor sets from each of the 8 dungeons?

you have a full racial armor set?

you have a full armor set from one of the three factions you joined in story mode?

you have 100% world map completion?

you have all the account medals?

You've defeated ALL the dragons in the game, including Zhaitan?

You've purchased your exotic armor set with karma?

You have a racial weapon?

You've created a mystic weapon in the forge?

You've created a legendary weapon in the forge?

you've crafted an exotic weapon?

you've crafted an exotic armor set?

you've completed all 31 jumping puzzles?

etc.?

Just getting to level 80 does not mean you are "done" with the game.   It means you are just starting!

Originally posted by Homitu
What's the point of Mario?

to save the princess, wth is wrong with you dude?

Originally posted by lordpenquin

Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC

I'm with you now. The game was great, but I am finished with it.

 

Aren't you never really supposed to be finished with an MMORPG?

Finished?  

8 dungeons with multiple paths so you have done all 33 variations of them?

Whats the point?

you have full armor sets from each of the 8 dungeons?

Whats the point? They don't help your character.

you have a full racial armor set?

Yes

you have a full armor set from one of the three factions you joined in story mode?

Yes

you have 100% world map completion?

Yes

you have all the account medals?

I don't care.

You've defeated ALL the dragons in the game, including Zhaitan?

Yes

You've purchased your exotic armor set with karma?

Yes

You have a racial weapon?

Yes

You've created a mystic weapon in the forge?

Yes

You've created a legendary weapon in the forge?

Whats the point? It doesn't make your character any better and takes way to long.

you've crafted an exotic weapon?

Yes

you've crafted an exotic armor set?

Yes

you've completed all 31 jumping puzzles?

I could care less about jumping puzzles that don't give you anything useful.

etc.?

Just getting to level 80 does not mean you are "done" with the game.   It means you are just starting!

No it means you are pretty much done with this game other than PvP. Yes PvP should be the end game content. If the PvP had any meaning whatsoever then I wouldn't be finished.

 

 

Originally posted by lordpenquin

Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC

I'm with you now. The game was great, but I am finished with it.

 

Aren't you never really supposed to be finished with an MMORPG?

Finished?  

8 dungeons with multiple paths so you have done all 33 variations of them?

you have full armor sets from each of the 8 dungeons?

you have a full racial armor set?

you have a full armor set from one of the three factions you joined in story mode?

you have 100% world map completion?

you have all the account medals?

You've defeated ALL the dragons in the game, including Zhaitan?

You've purchased your exotic armor set with karma?

You have a racial weapon?

You've created a mystic weapon in the forge?

You've created a legendary weapon in the forge?

you've crafted an exotic weapon?

you've crafted an exotic armor set?

you've completed all 31 jumping puzzles?

etc.?

Just getting to level 80 does not mean you are "done" with the game.   It means you are just starting!

 

 

and I will say if you answer yes to all these question you probably play a little to much:) or you REALLY love this game:)

For someone like me I'd be lucky to complete that list by years end.

U mad? Like who didn't know GW2 was just a placeholder until something good actually comes along. Even the developers knew that, which is why the game isn't a monthly fee.

Any game in the future that is worth any sort of real time committment will be a monthly fee pay to play model. People think they want no monthly fee, but trust me, no game worth longevity will ever do that.

GW2 is flavor of the month....well quarter really. You will see the population drop significantly over the next 6 months.

The hardcore fanbois, like the ones who used to exist on the SWTOR forums will also jump ship eventually. Those of us with a lot of MMO experience were fortunate enough to know better and get out early or avoid alltogether.

Originally posted by Cothor

Originally posted by SirFubar
From that point of view, playing any sort of video game is pointless too.

I disagree. In other MMOs you can be better than other players by obtaining the best gear and being able to accomplish things that are not possible for them. I want recognition, I want to be known as one of the best in some catagory. This game does not offer that, the game has absolutely no purpose at all. There is no benefit to being level 80 when you could just be level 10. This game is really confusing and it isn't looking like it will have a bright future.

Well obviously not for YOU.  Doesn't mean it's not for other people that need video games less for self worth and more for just plain fun (to them, not necessarily fun to YOU).  You sound like you have some psychological reasons for playing tied up in your video games that you like.  Nothing wrong with that, I suppose, but not everyone plays games for the same reasons.

GW2 has a purpose.  It's just not the purpose you prefer.  It really does sound like you want more from a GAME than is normal to want from a game.  I mean, from a psychological perspective.

Originally posted by KungFuPanda2012

Originally posted by Eir_S

Originally posted by KungFuPanda2012

Originally posted by MeGaTronPower

there is no point past level 80, its just w vw and grinding for legendary after that nothing.

thats why i took a refund for 2 gw 2 digital sale.

^ this guys last thread.

goooo blizzzz make another industry best selling game expansions ever, woooo mop will outsell both gw2+ swtor combined in 24 hours for sure another record breaking game expansions again as usual of blizz. Wow just wont die lol

One has to wonder if he asks for a refund on every game once he figures he has nothing else to do.  I call people like that damn thieves.

He just has an agenda, people like that will write whatever kind of bs to protect their game. Just troll wow tonight when launch doesn't go smoothly ;)

Let me see. 

Your name is KungFuPanda2012. 

Your quote says: "Blizzard copied kung fu panda."

Your "user" has been created on just the date the "kung fu panda" (as you say) expansion will be released.

And you actually accuse people of "having an agenda"?

Oh, the comedic value.

Originally posted by Cothor

WvW seems pointless really. The bonuses are not significant enough to care about.

spvp is pointless as the gear cannot be worn outside

Dungeons are pointless other than farming shards for crafting

It would seem there is no way to elevate yourself beyond others, there is no form of name recognition, no way to be known as the richest, best, etc. Just pointless content.

The graphics and questing system are very good, but once you hit 80 the game just comes to a halt. Perhaps I am missing something here?

Whats the poin of playing games like LoL? buy skins? why they have millions of players?

spvp is the same... the point is to shard ur skills and have FUN !

Originally posted by Hrimnir

Originally posted by SirFubar

From that point of view, playing any sort of video game is pointless too. That mentality is beyond me, always the need of some sort of progression to make the players feel great about themselves because they could spend more time ingame to earn that "special thing" that the others won't have. That's why I love eSports games over all those games with their stupid progression, because it's all about skills.

 

Thats what happened in the MMO industry,  A bunch of non MMO players came in, made a big fuss about the CORE ASPECTS of what makes an MMORPG an MMORPG, and now you have the glowing piece of shit that is the mmo of current times.

Gonna have this engraved on a plaque and put it up on my wall.

No, seriously.

Originally posted by ZigZags

U mad? Like who didn't know GW2 was just a placeholder until something good actually comes along. Even the developers knew that, which is why the game isn't a monthly fee.

 

Any game in the future that is worth any sort of real time committment will be a monthly fee pay to play model. People think they want no monthly fee, but trust me, no game worth longevity will ever do that.

 

GW2 is flavor of the month....well quarter really. You will see the population drop significantly over the next 6 months.

 

The hardcore fanbois, like the ones who used to exist on the SWTOR forums will also jump ship eventually. Those of us with a lot of MMO experience were fortunate enough to know better and get out early or avoid alltogether.

You just described any title that has released in the last 10 years! :) Even Rift, which is still a solid title has diminishing numbers and holds fast to the niche playes. You haven't really gone out on a limb in your prediction. 

Originally posted by SnarlingWolf

Originally posted by SirFubar

From that point of view, playing any sort of video game is pointless too. That mentality is beyond me, always the need of some sort of progression to make the players feel great about themselves because they could spend more time ingame to earn that "special thing" that the others won't have. That's why I love eSports games over all those games with their stupid progression, because it's all about skills.

 

With eSports a player puts in time as well, to improve their skill and make themselves competitive. The point is also there, to win in a competitive environment and depending on their level of play to possibly make money. So that comparison doesn't really work.

 

In fact competitive eSports players put in as much or more time than a person who plays an MMO to get ahead of others and to get benefits not everyone has. So in fact you are highly in favor of people spenting more time to earn things.

 

Competitive eSports players learn every map idiosyncrity. They learn every little tactic that can improve their game. They spend endless hours honing in on key skills and improving weak areas (often times with mindnumbling boring repetitive tasks over and over to improve the one specific skill). I don't know how on earth you think they don't put in tons of time to earn something others don't have.

 

Are there casual eSports players that don't put in much time? Yes, just as there are casual MMO players who don't put in much time. The difference is the casual eSports player tends to recognize and accept he won't be as good as those who put in a lot of time. Where as the casual MMO player feels it is unfair that someone who put in more time has something he doesn't. Interesting isn't it?

Exactly, they put in time and effort to improve their skill and make themselves competitive which is usually not the case in MMORPG's. Because in MMO's people usually don't even try to learn the game properly, all they want is to rush to the end to get the phat loot and be able to own the other noobs more easily. They are not really working towards being a better player. Sure some will but most won't. You know that in most MMO, you can nearly count the top players on your hand? My comparison is still valid IMO because in a eSport game there's no ingame progression, its always the same, you work to improve your skill. You're not working to get something ingame that will make you more powerful than the masses. Just because someone can play more than me and have the best gear, it doesn't mean they are better than me.

I also agree with you here that most eSport players are putting the same or even more amount of time playing than an MMO player. But there's a big difference between them that I've explained above. eSport players work to improve their skills while most MMO player work to improve their gear. When MMO players get their new gear, by the time they get it, did they improve as a player?? Most of the time they won't. I'm highly in favor of people spending more time to learn the game they play to improve but I'm not in favor of people spending more time ingame to ear the phat loot to own others noobs more easily while not improving as a player at all.

I don't know where you got the idea that I think that eSport players aren't putting A LOT of time but I know how they work their a**** off. Even more than MMO players because eSport players are actually trying to learn the game and every aspect while in MMO's people don't even try to learn to kind of stuff. Its all about gear progression. They don't care about learning the game because once they got their leet gear, they don't need to learn the game because they can beat everyone who don't have the same gear as them.

I see your point but I think it's invalid.  Sure there's some casuals players in both genre. But there's a huge difference between both genre. In eSport, a casual player knows he won't stand a chance against a top player for obvious reasons (skills). While in a MMO where its about gear progression, the casual player also won't stand a chance against someone who's playing non stop every day, but usually it won't be for the same reasons (gear not skill). If you throw out the gear progression in a MMO, guess what, the casual player will stand a chance against the player who spent more time ingame. The amount of time you put in a game have NOTHING to do with your skill. 1 player can spend 40 hours a week playing a game, if he doesn't try to learn the game the right way, he won't stand a chance against someone who spend 10 hours a week learning the game properly. Best example here is me and my friend playing sc2, he's playing A LOT more than me but I'm better than him because I'm learning the game the right way. Another one would be Stephano, if you know sc2, that guy isn't praticing as much as other top player and he's the best foreign zerg and maybe even one of the best zerg in the world. Try and do that in a gear progression MMO, its nearly impossible.

One thing you need to understand is that in eSport games people work to improve their skill while in a MMO with gear progression, people work to improve their gear, not their skills. And this is exactly why you can count the top PvP players on your hand while you can't do that in a eSport game.

Originally posted by Cothor

Originally posted by SirFubar
From that point of view, playing any sort of video game is pointless too.

I disagree. In other MMOs you can be better than other players by obtaining the best gear and being able to accomplish things that are not possible for them. I want recognition, I want to be known as one of the best in some catagory. This game does not offer that, the game has absolutely no purpose at all. There is no benefit to being level 80 when you could just be level 10. This game is really confusing and it isn't looking like it will have a bright future.

 Now instead of better gear letting you do what someone else might not you have to use your so called better skills. Oh no.

I never did like the whole E-Sport thing with Guild Wars, and I am kinda glad they didn't focus the whole second game based on that arena stuff (those have a tendency to fail: See FURY).

However, I have not seen a real viable way to level in the field besides running from event to event. I seen and did this kind of thing in a game you guys may have heard of. Over there we called it 'Rifting' and the game of course is Rift. These events don't realy change at all and they can be somewhat even predicatble (thought they said that wasn't going to be the case?)

The WvW was probably not a good idea seeing as if the transfers are free and happen almost instantly and also allow you to belong to the same guild on multiple servers fighting on the same side as your enemies with your guild tag on? It's just strange and does not encourage any kind of server pride or unity. Intra-server pvp centering around the races would probably have been better.

The game isn't bad but to be honest I kinda expected a little more in terms of a 'living breathing world' as was promised. It's just as static as Telara, with the same type of "on - off" switch consequences during events. The story is nice, but besides the race selections I wonder just how different is one's story from another. Do they vary as much as SWTOR? (the single player storylines was worth every penny of the purchasing price)

Anywho, I will continue to play. It's interesting enough and I am curious as to where they will take this game in the future..

Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC

None of you are getting the OP's point. There is no Character Recognition in this game. You don't need gear to be recognized. In WvWvW you are just a number, in sPvP you are just another red or blue guy trying stand in a big circle the longest to take a point. 

This games PvP is great but trash at the same time. This is supposed to be an MMO and MMO's give you some sort of character recognition.

 So every MMO EXCEPT GW2 has character recognition? Could have fooled me. I am amazed at the claims people will make to try and make this game look bad. The truth is the haters will not change the fans minds and the fans will not win over the haters. The difference is fans talking about a game they like do not look mentally unbalanced, while spending your days bashing a game you hate makes you look a little off kilter.

Originally posted by lathaan
[mod edit]

 

Are you saying, ANet sat down at the drwaing board and said "Let's design a game that will make people quit so it gets better for those who won't quit?