Originally posted by Terrorizor
Titan shows nothing more than vaporware, coming at a time where Activision is trying to sell off Blizzard. Who would buy a game development company that doesn't have some project they are working on.  I think it's just a ploy to keep the potential sales value higher. I doubt we will ever see anything more than what we already know - nothing.

Activision isn't selling off Blizzard. Vivendi is trying to sell off their 61% holding in Activision/Blizzard.

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Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

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Originally posted by DakkalordG Now as much as most people hate Blizzard Entertainment and look at the Failure of Diablo 3 and the Ageing of World of Warcraft , Im still in love with the company . Because even though D3 was a flop and WoW is in its twilight years , Blizzard has also released Starcraft 2 , an extremely enjoyable RTS , and D2 , A hack in slash that has a place in most peoples hearts. As well as that , WoW is still by far my favourite MMO and I have pre-ordered MoP because I still find enjoyment in playing WoW... Im hoping that Titan takes the torch from WoW and keeps Blizzards MMO scene alive and still allows me to proudly say "Blizzard are the best gaming Devs to date"

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Possibly off topic, possibly not as it directly equates to what you consider success.

I know that D3 generated a lot of complaints, there were bugs and connection problems but in what universe is selling 3.5 million copies in 24 hours, 6.3 million in a week, over 10 million to date, the fastest selling PC game to date receiving scores of 8-9/10 by virtually every major publication and critic considered a flop?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diablo_III
because of how many of those sales r actually still playing the game.

 

 

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Originally posted by silverreign

 

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Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

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Originally posted by DakkalordG Now as much as most people hate Blizzard Entertainment and look at the Failure of Diablo 3 and the Ageing of World of Warcraft , Im still in love with the company . Because even though D3 was a flop and WoW is in its twilight years , Blizzard has also released Starcraft 2 , an extremely enjoyable RTS , and D2 , A hack in slash that has a place in most peoples hearts. As well as that , WoW is still by far my favourite MMO and I have pre-ordered MoP because I still find enjoyment in playing WoW... Im hoping that Titan takes the torch from WoW and keeps Blizzards MMO scene alive and still allows me to proudly say "Blizzard are the best gaming Devs to date"

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Possibly off topic, possibly not as it directly equates to what you consider success.

 

I know that D3 generated a lot of complaints, there were bugs and connection problems but in what universe is selling 3.5 million copies in 24 hours, 6.3 million in a week, over 10 million to date, the fastest selling PC game to date receiving scores of 8-9/10 by virtually every major publication and critic considered a flop?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diablo_III
because of how many of those sales r actually still playing the game.

 

 

 

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There has been no information given regarding that.

dont see how this turned into d3 sucked thread, D3 is a lot of fun put about 100 hours into it. Still enjoy it. There was nothing that preveneted me from playing it when I bought it, I had no game breaking bugs.

Maybe some loot did not drop fast enough, but in general I think people who disliked it were 22 and younger part of the whine generation who think they are entitled to the entire universe and every game should cater to each single person perfectly all for free to play .

Otherwise, Titan is in full production mode according to blizzard peeps and and MoP just neeted them anouther 100million + in revenue.

Originally posted by FlawSGI

Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

Originally posted by FlawSGI

Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

Originally posted by DakkalordG

Now as much as most people hate Blizzard Entertainment and look at the Failure of Diablo 3 and the Ageing of World of Warcraft , Im still in love with the company . Because even though D3 was a flop and WoW is in its twilight years , Blizzard has also released Starcraft 2 , an extremely enjoyable RTS , and D2 , A hack in slash that has a place in most peoples hearts.

As well as that , WoW is still by far my favourite MMO and I have pre-ordered MoP because I still find enjoyment in playing WoW... Im hoping that Titan takes the torch from WoW and keeps Blizzards MMO scene alive and still allows me to proudly say "Blizzard are the best gaming Devs to date"

Possibly off topic, possibly not as it directly equates to what you consider success.

I know that D3 generated a lot of complaints, there were bugs and connection problems but in what universe is selling 3.5 million copies in 24 hours, 6.3 million in a week, over 10 million to date, the fastest selling PC game to date receiving scores of 8-9/10 by virtually every major publication and critic considered a flop?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diablo_III

 

 

Depends on what context one is discussing flop. Did it sell a lot of copies? Sure it did and you provide plenty of evidence to support your view. But what about discussing it in terms of value and entertainment, did it meet expectations? To many (me included) that is a huge no and I'd go as far as to say that to many people who have supported Blizzrd products in the past, this was a slap in the face. I don't think that just because box sells were high, the state and content of the game should be overlooked and this, as far as I am concerned, may have been the last Blizzard product I buy after what I feel has been shoddy products for years. I bought them on reputation and past games I enjoyed by the company but that has become a thing of the past in my eyes. Titan would have to be pretty damned amazing for me personally to want to buy it because I really have zero problems with nostalgia when I think about Blizzard. Numbers don't tell the whole story.

See my statement above.

See the portion I added before you quoted.

 Opinion isn't something you can argue as factual, it's an opinion.  There is only one context when you label something as a flop, and that is it didn't sell or sold considerably less then it's predicessor, neither of which happened in the case of D3. 

You're attempting to argue your opinion against facts.  The guy your trying "prove wrong" gave you facts that can't be argued against with opinions. 

Just because you didn't like D3 doesn't make it a flop because you inject opinion into it.  10 million copies sold is a fact, and it's a fact that any game that sells that many copies is a success. 

Few games manage to sell 10 million copies, let alone 10 million in a months time.  Some of you here, where people are notoriously critical and have a general dislike of Blizzard, may not of liked the game, however it didn't sell all of it's copies in the first week.  People were still buying it several weeks later.  You don't sell a couple million copies of a game a few weeks after it releases because most people that purchased it disliked it.  If so many people didn't like the game, it wouldn't have managed to reach 10 million boxes sold, it would have sold heavily in its initial release and then simply died off. 

The fact is the game was received very well by the general gaming public, even if many people found some faults in it, and your opinion is entirely irrelevent to that fact. 

MoP is not Titan, Blizzard has stated that it's an entirely new IP and not like WoW. 

The OP did not make any assumptions about Titan, he stated his HOPES that it will be a good game that will continue Blizzards record of succesfull development. 

People around here are so full of spite and vinager that people can't even make a simple post expressing an opinion with anything to do with Blizzard without a bunch of people jumping on them to condemn their post and feelings. 

Originally posted by DakkalordG

Now as much as most people hate Blizzard Entertainment and look at the Failure of Diablo 3 and the Ageing of World of Warcraft , Im still in love with the company . Because even though D3 was a flop and WoW is in its twilight years , Blizzard has also released Starcraft 2 , an extremely enjoyable RTS , and D2 , A hack in slash that has a place in most peoples hearts.

As well as that , WoW is still by far my favourite MMO and I have pre-ordered MoP because I still find enjoyment in playing WoW... Im hoping that Titan takes the torch from WoW and keeps Blizzards MMO scene alive and still allows me to proudly say "Blizzard are the best gaming Devs to date"

Agreed.

I am convinced it will be awesome.

Originally posted by Uhwop

Originally posted by FlawSGI

Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

Originally posted by FlawSGI

Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

Originally posted by DakkalordG

Now as much as most people hate Blizzard Entertainment and look at the Failure of Diablo 3 and the Ageing of World of Warcraft , Im still in love with the company . Because even though D3 was a flop and WoW is in its twilight years , Blizzard has also released Starcraft 2 , an extremely enjoyable RTS , and D2 , A hack in slash that has a place in most peoples hearts.

As well as that , WoW is still by far my favourite MMO and I have pre-ordered MoP because I still find enjoyment in playing WoW... Im hoping that Titan takes the torch from WoW and keeps Blizzards MMO scene alive and still allows me to proudly say "Blizzard are the best gaming Devs to date"

Possibly off topic, possibly not as it directly equates to what you consider success.

I know that D3 generated a lot of complaints, there were bugs and connection problems but in what universe is selling 3.5 million copies in 24 hours, 6.3 million in a week, over 10 million to date, the fastest selling PC game to date receiving scores of 8-9/10 by virtually every major publication and critic considered a flop?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diablo_III

 

 

Depends on what context one is discussing flop. Did it sell a lot of copies? Sure it did and you provide plenty of evidence to support your view. But what about discussing it in terms of value and entertainment, did it meet expectations? To many (me included) that is a huge no and I'd go as far as to say that to many people who have supported Blizzrd products in the past, this was a slap in the face. I don't think that just because box sells were high, the state and content of the game should be overlooked and this, as far as I am concerned, may have been the last Blizzard product I buy after what I feel has been shoddy products for years. I bought them on reputation and past games I enjoyed by the company but that has become a thing of the past in my eyes. Titan would have to be pretty damned amazing for me personally to want to buy it because I really have zero problems with nostalgia when I think about Blizzard. Numbers don't tell the whole story.

See my statement above.

See the portion I added before you quoted.

 Opinion isn't something you can argue as factual, it's an opinion.  There is only one context when you label something as a flop, and that is it didn't sell or sold considerably less then it's predicessor, neither of which happened in the case of D3. 

You're attempting to argue your opinion against facts.  The guy your trying "prove wrong" gave you facts that can't be argued against with opinions. 

Just because you didn't like D3 doesn't make it a flop because you inject opinion into it.  10 million copies sold is a fact, and it's a fact that any game that sells that many copies is a success. 

Few games manage to sell 10 million copies, let alone 10 million in a months time.  Some of you here, where people are notoriously critical and have a general dislike of Blizzard, may not of liked the game, however it didn't sell all of it's copies in the first week.  People were still buying it several weeks later.  You don't sell a couple million copies of a game a few weeks after it releases because most people that purchased it disliked it.  If so many people didn't like the game, it wouldn't have managed to reach 10 million boxes sold, it would have sold heavily in its initial release and then simply died off. 

The fact is the game was received very well by the general gaming public, even if many people found some faults in it, and your opinion is entirely irrelevent to that fact. 

 

MoP is not Titan, Blizzard has stated that it's an entirely new IP and not like WoW. 

The OP did not make any assumptions about Titan, he stated his HOPES that it will be a good game that will continue Blizzards record of succesfull development. 

People around here are so full of spite and vinager that people can't even make a simple post expressing an opinion with anything to do with Blizzard without a bunch of people jumping on them to condemn their post and feelings. 

I am chastised. :)

My own opinion is that I hope Titan will be good.  The only thing I have to go by is WoW, I've enjoyed it off/on for many years.  Funny enough I still don't have a max level player in it.  I just take my time, do my own thing.  Wow let me do this. 

I want Titan to be Blizzards ace because I want to play a good game.. it has nothing to do with Blizzard succeeding or failing. Who the hell cares what happens to the companies? I'm here to play good games.

Game companies are being treated like celebrities or summat these days. It's embarrassing gamers and is an insult to how the industry used to be.. they were better times.

Originally posted by Vannor
I want Titan to be Blizzards ace because I want to play a good game.. it has nothing to do with Blizzard succeeding or failing. Who the hell cares what happens to the companies? I'm here to play good games.

How do you know it will be a good game though?  IMO, blizzard used to get a free pass but that was before D3.  D3's suckiness (yes I just made that word up) made me revoke my free pass.  Blizzard will now be scrutinized.

Originally posted by Badaboom

Originally posted by Vannor
I want Titan to be Blizzards ace because I want to play a good game.. it has nothing to do with Blizzard succeeding or failing. Who the hell cares what happens to the companies? I'm here to play good games.

How do you know it will be a good game though?  IMO, blizzard used to get a free pass but that was before D3.  D3's suckiness (yes I just made that word up) has revoked my free pass.  Blizzard will now be scrutinized.

I didn't say it would be good.. I said I want it to be good. Hell, I want every game to be good.

I don't know why people hate on D3 so much. I played through it only once because, guess what, it's not an MMORPG. The story was mediocre, but the combat was fun. There have been far worse games out there.

I would love to see the D3 rune system in an mmo. I think it is the best replacement for the talent system.

Edit: Blizzard kinda went that direction with MOP, and I think it's an improvement. However, it didn't go far enough, imo

Originally posted by apocoluster
What is Titan?   No seriously do you know?  Why make assumptions just yet?  For all we know its an expansion to Hello Kitty Online.

Titan will be Blizzard's next game designed entirely around a Real Money Auction House.

Mark my words.

Diablo III was just a beta test for the RMAH, just like The Foundry in Star Trek Online is a beta test for the upcoming game Neverwinter.

Originally posted by Vannor

Originally posted by Badaboom

Originally posted by Vannor
I want Titan to be Blizzards ace because I want to play a good game.. it has nothing to do with Blizzard succeeding or failing. Who the hell cares what happens to the companies? I'm here to play good games.

How do you know it will be a good game though?  IMO, blizzard used to get a free pass but that was before D3.  D3's suckiness (yes I just made that word up) has revoked my free pass.  Blizzard will now be scrutinized.

I didn't say it would be good.. I said I want it to be good. Hell, I want every game to be good.

My bad then.  As gamers, everyone should want a game to be good.

Originally posted by Badaboom

Originally posted by Vannor

Originally posted by Badaboom

Originally posted by Vannor
I want Titan to be Blizzards ace because I want to play a good game.. it has nothing to do with Blizzard succeeding or failing. Who the hell cares what happens to the companies? I'm here to play good games.

How do you know it will be a good game though?  IMO, blizzard used to get a free pass but that was before D3.  D3's suckiness (yes I just made that word up) has revoked my free pass.  Blizzard will now be scrutinized.

I didn't say it would be good.. I said I want it to be good. Hell, I want every game to be good.

My bad then.  As gamers, everyone should want a game to be good.

Do you want Titan to be the best game in the market once it is released

Originally posted by coretex666

Originally posted by Badaboom

Originally posted by Vannor

Originally posted by Badaboom

Originally posted by Vannor
I want Titan to be Blizzards ace because I want to play a good game.. it has nothing to do with Blizzard succeeding or failing. Who the hell cares what happens to the companies? I'm here to play good games.

How do you know it will be a good game though?  IMO, blizzard used to get a free pass but that was before D3.  D3's suckiness (yes I just made that word up) has revoked my free pass.  Blizzard will now be scrutinized.

I didn't say it would be good.. I said I want it to be good. Hell, I want every game to be good.

My bad then.  As gamers, everyone should want a game to be good.

Do you want Titan to be the best game in the market once it is released

Doesn't matter whether it's considered the best game or not. If it's good, I'll play it. My original point being, I look at the games.. not the name attached it or how successful or unsuccessful it is.

This threads OP isn't about Titan, it's about Blizzard. I just think that's the wrong angle to take.

D3 did sell a ton of copies.  Most of that was based off previous like of D1-D2 + expansions and trust in Blizzard as a developer.  Not everyone was happy with that purchase.  The same could be said for Starcraft 2.  More people are not enjoying the WoW changes either.  Buyers remorse is worse than low sales figures.  It has a much greater effect on future sales.  So does poor changes to an existing game you are/were playing(WoW and it's declining subs).  Disappointment is worse than not knowing. 

A lot is hinging on their next games.  Some of us are already lost as customers.  Others are still hanging in the balance.  If they disappoint again, it could be very very bad for them as a company.

Originally posted by Vannor

Originally posted by coretex666

Originally posted by Badaboom

Originally posted by Vannor

Originally posted by Badaboom

Originally posted by Vannor
I want Titan to be Blizzards ace because I want to play a good game.. it has nothing to do with Blizzard succeeding or failing. Who the hell cares what happens to the companies? I'm here to play good games.

How do you know it will be a good game though?  IMO, blizzard used to get a free pass but that was before D3.  D3's suckiness (yes I just made that word up) has revoked my free pass.  Blizzard will now be scrutinized.

I didn't say it would be good.. I said I want it to be good. Hell, I want every game to be good.

My bad then.  As gamers, everyone should want a game to be good.

Do you want Titan to be the best game in the market once it is released

Doesn't matter whether it's considered the best game or not. If it's good, I'll play it. My original point being, I look at the games.. not the name attached it or how successful or unsuccessful it is.

I was asking the other guy. I understand your point and consider it reasonable.

Originally posted by Badaboom

Originally posted by Vannor

Originally posted by Badaboom

Originally posted by Vannor
I want Titan to be Blizzards ace because I want to play a good game.. it has nothing to do with Blizzard succeeding or failing. Who the hell cares what happens to the companies? I'm here to play good games.

How do you know it will be a good game though?  IMO, blizzard used to get a free pass but that was before D3.  D3's suckiness (yes I just made that word up) has revoked my free pass.  Blizzard will now be scrutinized.

I didn't say it would be good.. I said I want it to be good. Hell, I want every game to be good.

My bad then.  As gamers, everyone should want a game to be good.

Want and presume are definitely two different things.

Originally posted by paroxysm

D3 did sell a ton of copies.  Most of that was based off previous like of D1-D2 + expansions and trust in Blizzard as a developer.  Not everyone was happy with that purchase.  The same could be said for Starcraft 2.  More people are not enjoying the WoW changes either.  Buyers remorse is worse than low sales figures.  It has a much greater effect on future sales.  So does poor changes to an existing game you are/were playing(WoW and it's declining subs).  Disappointment is worse than not knowing. 

A lot is hinging on their next games.  Some of us are already lost as customers.  Others are still hanging in the balance.  If they disappoint again, it could be very very bad for them as a company.

 The intersting thing about a shared sentiment, is that even when few people actually feel the same way you do it can seem as though a much larger number of people share your feelings even when they don't.  Especially so when you're able to get that shared sentiment from a community that has a tendency to already feel as you do. 

Unhappy people are also much more vocal then happy ones.  Even on blizzards own website you'll see more people saying "game sucked" then you will people saying the game was great. 

Nor is there a single product in the world that everyone liked, there is always going to be people that are unhappy with their purchase. 

Buyers remorse is also never worse then low sales figures.  You're arguing that something that has already made you money is worse then something that didn't make you money, in a medium that doesn't require people to continually pay in order to play the game.  Blizzard isn't depending on people using the RMAH in order to make money off of D3; I'm fairly certain that with more then 10m copies sold they've already made money off of it.  No company has ever built a product and factored in "buyers remorse" as a variable of potential loss in sales. 

And let us not forget, the more people that purchase your product, the more people that will actually dislike it.  Word of mouth carried the product beyond it's initial offering, not past products or the maker of the product.  By week four D1, D2, and the Blizzard name had very little to do with people buying D3, and everything to do with word of mouth and game reviews. 

Yeah, a lot of people weren't satisfied with the game; which would be expected of any game that sells over 10 million copies. 

No game ever sold 8.8 million copies in THREE MONTHS just because of it's name or the name of the maker, let alone because an overwhelming number of people didn't like it. 

If it was as easy as a name, then Duke Nukem Forever would have sold a lot more then 73,000 copies.  A game has to be generally accpeted as good in order to reach 8.8 million sales in three months.