Originally posted by Cothor

WvW seems pointless really. The bonuses are not significant enough to care about.

spvp is pointless as the gear cannot be worn outside

Dungeons are pointless other than farming shards for crafting

It would seem there is no way to elevate yourself beyond others, there is no form of name recognition, no way to be known as the richest, best, etc. Just pointless content.

The graphics and questing system are very good, but once you hit 80 the game just comes to a halt. Perhaps I am missing something here?

I am honestly flabbergasted that yet again someone is asking what the point of a game is. There is never a point to a game.

why isnt this thread closed yet.....i dont see the point of this thread tbh.

The OP is a troll imho.......he does nothing but talking how bad the game is while he is obviously still playing it....cant be realy that bad then can it??

I am alos an oldschool sandbox player (UO FTW baby) and this guy is comparing sandboxes to themeparks.......tssss.

When it come to his beloved grind for the ultimate gear there is a game that is REALY good at making you grind for you UBER gear and thats wow......oh and tomorow you'll have a new expansion coming out where you can start from zero to 85 (or is it 90 these days....i dont care anyways) and then grind your guts out in pve OR pvp to be the better man on the server.

So OP.....plz go back to wow.....thats the game you like and need....bye now.

Originally posted by Cothor

WvW seems pointless really. The bonuses are not significant enough to care about.

spvp is pointless as the gear cannot be worn outside

Dungeons are pointless other than farming shards for crafting

It would seem there is no way to elevate yourself beyond others, there is no form of name recognition, no way to be known as the richest, best, etc. Just pointless content.

The graphics and questing system are very good, but once you hit 80 the game just comes to a halt. Perhaps I am missing something here?

I too find the game lacking any real substantive way for me to impress my legions of internet girlfriends. They all live in Canada. You wouldn't know them.

Originally posted by Asm0deus

I don't think GW2 is a bad game it can be quite fun but i also don't think they designed the game so that poeple would stay but rather to play  in bursts, with extended periods of it sitting on your shelf collecting dust in between those bursts.

I find the above sentence to be particularly apt when it comes to GW2 as I have found that once I reached 80 that it's hard to play continually, day after day, without taking a break.

This is only my own opinion and I can expect others to think differently, but speaking for myself where I do find it a decent game and I've had a whole lot of fun playing, it's definitely one where I need another, subscription game, to back it up.

yep, i hate playing wvw.

it's soo, boring and pointless.

im going back playing bf3.

Originally posted by Thillian

Originally posted by KhinRunite

Originally posted by Thillian

Character progression is the defining feature of an RPG. 

It would be weird to whine about non-existent progression in an FPS game, since the main difference between FPS or action game and RPG is that in action game or FPS your character is not defined / limited by stats and levels. 

Since this is a MMORPG forum, and not MMOFPS or MMOActionGame, it is perfectly logical that people complain about lack of character progression when the game is obviously almost totally lacking it.

But doesn't character progression end anyway when there's no more skills to unlock, or nothing else for a character's self to "grow"? Are we counting continuous power acquisition through gear upgrades as character progression? I thought they're called gear progression. I thought raids were just slapped on by MMORPG devs in order to prolong content before the arrival of the next expansion which will continue the actual character progression?

As far as character progression is concerned, GW2 has it. Even as a player reaches 80 it is still possible to earn Skill Points so the character can "grow".

What game are you talking about, if you're talking about gear progression? And yes, even gear progression counts as character progression.

I have no particular game in mind, just the usual raid-gear-endgame MMOs. Part of the OP and the ongoing discussion is about the lack of power through gear in GW2's endgame. I also consider gear progression as a part of character progression, but when it's gotten to a point that the only way for you to progress (be more powerful) is through gear I feel I'm just doing a filler until the introduction of a new level cap.

Anyway, MMORPGs I play either have no level cap or have AA system in place (Alternate Advancement), which makes your character earn special XP points, which further specializes your character even when he's already at "max" level.

GW2 doesn't have a reasonable character progression even if it has 80 levels. Since the content scales to you, your character is not really improving compared to the environment. The feeling of progression is basically killed. People that like shooters or action games with constant difficulty might like it, I hate it.

I don't know about reasonable. It sure doesn't have the typical character progression. The feeling of progression may have been nerfed...but I don't feel it killed. Going back to 1-15 zones I find it much much easier compared to when I was actually level 1-15. It's true I'm not a God to the mobs there, but I don't mind.

Originally posted by Thrennie

Originally posted by Asm0deus

I don't think GW2 is a bad game it can be quite fun but i also don't think they designed the game so that poeple would stay but rather to play  in bursts, with extended periods of it sitting on your shelf collecting dust in between those bursts.

I find the above sentence to be particularly apt when it comes to GW2 as I have found that once I reached 80 that it's hard to play continually, day after day, without taking a break.

This is only my own opinion and I can expect others to think differently, but speaking for myself where I do find it a decent game and I've had a whole lot of fun playing, it's definitely one where I need another, subscription game, to back it up.

same feelings. nice game, but thats it. cant hold as a main mmo, at least for me. to give a credit, its sub free and at least i can log in sometimes, when i have nothing to do or get bored to my main mmo.

Originally posted by Cothor

Originally posted by SirFubar
From that point of view, playing any sort of video game is pointless too.

I disagree. In other MMOs you can be better than other players by obtaining the best gear and being able to accomplish things that are not possible for them. I want recognition, I want to be known as one of the best in some catagory. This game does not offer that, the game has absolutely no purpose at all. There is no benefit to being level 80 when you could just be level 10. This game is really confusing and it isn't looking like it will have a bright future.

You can be better than other players simply by the virtue of being more skilled.  You really think you're better because your gear allows you to hit harder?  That's pretty sad reasoning for why GW2 is pointless.

Originally posted by Kuinn
What's the point of any game. They are just games, play one if you find it fun, dont if you dont. This isnt one of those games designed for socially deranged nerds who absolutely must have better stats in their gear to feel alive.

This, and the fact that people have logged hundreds of hours each already in a $60 game.  Try stretching out the longevity of a linear single player game of the same price range like Batman: Arkahm Asylum.  You can't.  There are hundreds of hours of gameplay in GW2 though, however people are acting like they got robbed.  They'd only be robbing you if they made you pay a sub for the same few hundred hours of content, but we've seen how that's working out for Tera and TSW so far.  Personally, I think every game should start out B2P and if the quality and amount of content warrants it, they can have my $15 a month.  The only game that manages to really make a dent with this payment plan is WoW, but no company nor the players ever learn.

Originally posted by Cothor

WvW seems pointless really. The bonuses are not significant enough to care about.

spvp is pointless as the gear cannot be worn outside

Dungeons are pointless other than farming shards for crafting

It would seem there is no way to elevate yourself beyond others, there is no form of name recognition, no way to be known as the richest, best, etc. Just pointless content.

The graphics and questing system are very good, but once you hit 80 the game just comes to a halt. Perhaps I am missing something here?

Question, did you:

- completed all areas and even found the hidden ones in every zone?

- completed all story and explorable paths of all dungeons?

- maxed your crafting proffesions or all crafting professions?

- completed all achievements on your achievements page (PvE & PvP ones)?

- reached max rank in the structure PvP?

- got yourself legendary gear or weapons?

- completed your personal story?

- played tournaments in the mists?

- checked other professions and played with them till the updates of GW2 will come our way?

I don't know if the next announced free update will include these but with the guild halls on their way there will be also Guild vs Guild in the game soon.

Additional to that our hall of monuments will come aswell personal housing in which you will be able to have trophies of your achievements you can show to friends or guests.

It was also said that you will have the possibility to indeed having your own statue in your home instance in the future (not personal housing cause its extra)

As about Ladders and Rankings there you go:

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/pvp/pvp/Ladder-ranking-custom-tournaments/page/2

ANet is known for lots pvp options like in GW1 and they are already working on it to give us more options.

As you can see on their thread the ladder and ranking system is coming our way aswell.

Not sure if it will be added with the update we will probably get today or not though.

To the guy that said he played till level 9 I can only say:

- you didn't saw anything yet cause you never left the starting area. 

Originally posted by TheIronLegion

Originally posted by akiira69

Originally posted by Cothor

WvW seems pointless really. The bonuses are not significant enough to care about.

spvp is pointless as the gear cannot be worn outside

Dungeons are pointless other than farming shards for crafting

It would seem there is no way to elevate yourself beyond others, there is no form of name recognition, no way to be known as the richest, best, etc. Just pointless content.

The graphics and questing system are very good, but once you hit 80 the game just comes to a halt. Perhaps I am missing something here?

Finally people are seeing what I have been saying since Arena.Net said they were going to make GW2. Arena.Net and NCsoft have no concept of end game whether it is PvP or PvE. Everyone laughed at me and said Guild Wars 2 would be different from Guild Wars 1. whelp here it comes

 

"I TOLD YOU SO!"

Pretty sure Arenanet has a very good concept of endgame. Guild Wars 1 is a fine testiment to that. Go play through GW1 and try to sail through all of its content; it will take you quite some time. Saying "I told you so" only solidifies that you are nothing more than a blind hater. I think, in fact that most of Ncsofts published titles have a large amount of "end game". Look at Aion. Love it or hate it aion has a TON of content. Every content patch they introduced several new zones with hundreds of quests, new world bosses, several new instances, new gear, skins, housing, etc etc. Aion may not have been the game for me when i played it for x months. And the fact that it is now F2P and still maintains its servers and can push out the same amount of new content at a regular pace is impressive. Lineage II is another good testiment to Ncsofts knowlege of endgame. GW1, with every new expansion, added a new map to the game that was either equal in size to the original or larger. They pretty much made an entirely new game to add on to the original. We might as well be on Guild Wars 4. So I'm going to have to disagree with you, though you obviously won't care and will just continue to spout hate.

I have played Guild Wars 1 all the way through and found it to be dull that is why I have repeatedly stated Guild Wars 2 will be like Guild Wars 1. You get to end game and find nothing there. I have played almost every game NCsoft has released(Dungeon Runers, Exteel, Lineage 2, CoH/CoV, Tabula Rasa, and Aion). Compared to games like Asheron's Call, Lord of the Rings Online, Everquest 2, and World of Warcraft NCsofts and Arena.Nets understanding of End Game Content sucks. 

Originally posted by Cothor

....but once you hit 80 the game just comes to a halt. Perhaps I am missing something here?

You're not wrong, but that's true of every MMO whenever you hit max level these days.  No game has anything useful to do at "end game" which is why they keep the obsessives happy with the "Hamster Wheel of Never-Ending Raiding", leaving everyone else wondering what to do for entertainment.

Originally posted by akiira69

Originally posted by TheIronLegion

Originally posted by akiira69

Originally posted by Cothor

WvW seems pointless really. The bonuses are not significant enough to care about.

spvp is pointless as the gear cannot be worn outside

Dungeons are pointless other than farming shards for crafting

It would seem there is no way to elevate yourself beyond others, there is no form of name recognition, no way to be known as the richest, best, etc. Just pointless content.

The graphics and questing system are very good, but once you hit 80 the game just comes to a halt. Perhaps I am missing something here?

Finally people are seeing what I have been saying since Arena.Net said they were going to make GW2. Arena.Net and NCsoft have no concept of end game whether it is PvP or PvE. Everyone laughed at me and said Guild Wars 2 would be different from Guild Wars 1. whelp here it comes

 

"I TOLD YOU SO!"

Pretty sure Arenanet has a very good concept of endgame. Guild Wars 1 is a fine testiment to that. Go play through GW1 and try to sail through all of its content; it will take you quite some time. Saying "I told you so" only solidifies that you are nothing more than a blind hater. I think, in fact that most of Ncsofts published titles have a large amount of "end game". Look at Aion. Love it or hate it aion has a TON of content. Every content patch they introduced several new zones with hundreds of quests, new world bosses, several new instances, new gear, skins, housing, etc etc. Aion may not have been the game for me when i played it for x months. And the fact that it is now F2P and still maintains its servers and can push out the same amount of new content at a regular pace is impressive. Lineage II is another good testiment to Ncsofts knowlege of endgame. GW1, with every new expansion, added a new map to the game that was either equal in size to the original or larger. They pretty much made an entirely new game to add on to the original. We might as well be on Guild Wars 4. So I'm going to have to disagree with you, though you obviously won't care and will just continue to spout hate.

I have played Guild Wars 1 all the way through and found it to be dull that is why I have repeatedly stated Guild Wars 2 will be like Guild Wars 1. You get to end game and find nothing there. I have played almost every game NCsoft has released(Dungeon Runers, Exteel, Lineage 2, CoH/CoV, Tabula Rasa, and Aion). Compared to games like Asheron's Call, Lord of the Rings Online, Everquest 2, and World of Warcraft NCsofts and Arena.Nets understanding of End Game Content sucks. 

You really can't be serious by this statement.

Guild Wars 1 prophecies or did you play all 3 chapters + the expansion EotN?

What did you play from Coh/CoV? Ever checked the mission architect, got involved in supergroups and their base construction + supergroup mission, raids, base raids and other?

WoW can't and will never come close to both of these games to say the least and LotR is the generic and classical design of a mmo for 99% of its content.

Everquest 2 is also a classic design and can't be compared (even I liked the game back then) with the uniqueness of systems GW1 or CoH offer.

NCSoft has released and unfortunately partially cancelled great games that were mainly fun.

Lineage 2 was a classic design with a few twists here and there that made it stood out but not much though.

Tabula Rasa had a awesome design but they dropped it and changed it from fantasy to sci fi so it can stand out more.

A very bad move in my opinion that destroyed the whole game and previously planned systems.

I'll take ANets "Endgame" and partially NCSofts understanding at any day while I would avoid Blizzards and many others for sure.

Originally posted by Eir_S

Originally posted by Kuinn
What's the point of any game. They are just games, play one if you find it fun, dont if you dont. This isnt one of those games designed for socially deranged nerds who absolutely must have better stats in their gear to feel alive.

This, and the fact that people have logged hundreds of hours each already in a $60 game.  Try stretching out the longevity of a linear single player game of the same price range like Batman: Arkahm Asylum.  You can't.  There are hundreds of hours of gameplay in GW2 though, however people are acting like they got robbed.  They'd only be robbing you if they made you pay a sub for the same few hundred hours of content, but we've seen how that's working out for Tera and TSW so far.  Personally, I think every game should start out B2P and if the quality and amount of content warrants it, they can have my $15 a month.  The only game that manages to really make a dent with this payment plan is WoW, but no company nor the players ever learn.

This ^

Honestly, a lot of people are chasing a giant pipe-dream when it comes to MMOs. There's a huge double-standard put on MMOs, that doesn't get placed on any other type of game. Games, by their nature, are repetative and often pointless. However, that doesn't stop games like mario, or zelda, or shadow of the colossus, etc. etc. etc. from being great games.

Progression can be a really fun thing in a game, but it's not the only reason to play it. For example, Natural Selection / Starcraft have a sense of progression, but that's not the reason they are fun. It's a bonus, but every game is redoing the same progression all over again.

In GW2, you have progression, but at a certain point the focus changes. It becomes much more about customization, strategy, and skill. If you are only interested in linear progression, MMOs are probably not for you, because they will inevitably always run out of unique content. There's just only a certain amount of things you can do before they become 'too similar'. Even WoW is very guilty of this. I have yet to play a linearly progressive MMO that doesn't suffer from this. It's physically impossible to keep that ball rolling uphill forever. People just consume the content far too quickly.

Originally posted by Cothor

WvW seems pointless really. The bonuses are not significant enough to care about.

spvp is pointless as the gear cannot be worn outside

Dungeons are pointless other than farming shards for crafting

It would seem there is no way to elevate yourself beyond others, there is no form of name recognition, no way to be known as the richest, best, etc. Just pointless content.

The graphics and questing system are very good, but once you hit 80 the game just comes to a halt. Perhaps I am missing something here?

the point? the point is to have alot of fun and do dungeons, pvp, WvW.

u can do so many things in gw2. Clear each Race history. try different Orders etc. i can easily use about 6 month on all that to explorer it 100% and we are getting content update soon i heard

Originally posted by akiira69

Originally posted by Joriel
the point is to have fun

how do you have fun in game that is boring?

What makes you think having big flashy loot is going to make the game enjoyable for you?

Originally posted by Cothor

WvW seems pointless really. The bonuses are not significant enough to care about.

spvp is pointless as the gear cannot be worn outside

Dungeons are pointless other than farming shards for crafting

It would seem there is no way to elevate yourself beyond others, there is no form of name recognition, no way to be known as the richest, best, etc. Just pointless content.

The graphics and questing system are very good, but once you hit 80 the game just comes to a halt. Perhaps I am missing something here?

From what ppl say around there is no point. Some funs say point is to have fun. But that goes for all mmorpgs not just gw2.

Originally posted by Cothor

WvW seems pointless really. The bonuses are not significant enough to care about.

spvp is pointless as the gear cannot be worn outside

Dungeons are pointless other than farming shards for crafting

It would seem there is no way to elevate yourself beyond others, there is no form of name recognition, no way to be known as the richest, best, etc. Just pointless content.

The graphics and questing system are very good, but once you hit 80 the game just comes to a halt. Perhaps I am missing something here?

hmmm. whats the point of quake, monopoli or chess?

you dont get anything at the end. you actually have to LIKE THE GAME YOU ARE PLAYING. it will not buy your love.