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In the wake of GuildWars 2 do you think Teso should be buy to play ?
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9/21/12 9:21:35 AM#2
No should be sub based... and no cash shop..
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Originally posted by Caldrin So I guess your prepared for the almost inevitable free to play conversion within a year or two and the cash shop that goes with it then ? Very few modern games can charge a sub and have any kind of success . |
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9/21/12 4:50:19 PM#4
You gave me a start, I very much forgot about this game.
Yeah. Buy to play, definetly. Don't want to hate or troll, but I don't think that it will be very good, based on what we've seen. Especially since they're taking a franchise with such a strong fanbase as Elder Scrolls and giving it the theme park treatment. |
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9/21/12 5:00:54 PM#5
I think it should be scrapped and Zenimax should apologize for letting a collective brainfart actually make it into the development phase.
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9/21/12 5:08:51 PM#6
Originally posted by OG_Zorvan Add that option and let me revote. |
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9/21/12 5:13:11 PM#7
Originally posted by OG_Zorvan I vote this option. You have to wonder how nervous they are after watching the disaster that is SWTOR. I want to be Uncle Owen again. |
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9/21/12 5:18:59 PM#8
No, too many freeloaders in the genre.
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9/21/12 5:20:53 PM#9
Originally posted by OG_Zorvan QFT |
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9/21/12 5:27:10 PM#10
Originally posted by SuperDonk Yes, let's vote to shut down and cease development on all games that we don't like simply because they're not what we wanted them to be. /sarcasm I don't get it. You guys aren't paying for it to be developed, this game isn't being developed in place of the next SP title, and even if Zenimax shut down right now Bethesda (or whoever owns the IP) wouldn't sign off on a new, different elder scrolls multiplayer. This is the game they want on the maket. If it sucks, market forces will ensure it dies. But you guys with your posts like this... It's not the toy you asked your parents to buy you, so you rant like impetulent children, stomp your feet, cross your arms and cry to whoever will listen. Grow up. "Criticism is an indirect form of self-boasting." - Emmet Fox |
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9/21/12 5:36:44 PM#11
Originally posted by rygard49 I'll just leave this here: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/6187-Why-Boycotts-Fail-Where-Whining-Tantrums-Win You realize you are whining about people whining. |
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Originally posted by TalulaRose So by that logic everyone that plays a single player game like Medal of Honor is a freeloader . Every one thats paid a box price for Guild Wars 2 is a freeloader . A freeloader would be someone who wants to pay nothing for a game . When you pay a boxed price your not a freeloader . Its best to think before you post something or it makes you look stupid . |
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9/22/12 5:58:37 AM#13
It should be based on a subscription model to help accelerate it's fall.
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9/23/12 3:10:51 PM#14
Originally posted by Entinerint By the logic in the video you posted, then me whining about them whining is the right thing to do. But seriously the video had nothing to do with what's going on here. This was a video about showing angst against publishers while not hurting the developers. And that's where he says whining becomes a key weapon over boycotting, which developers won't interpret in the correct form. What's going on here is that people dislike a game that's going to be made regardless of their tantrums, and are making ludicrous statements to show their displeasure. In this case, the displeasure is focused at the developer, and not the publisher. In this case, the problem presented in that video you linked does not apply even in the slightest. In this case, boycotting the game is the clear action they'd want to take over posting stupid bullshit on the forums. "Criticism is an indirect form of self-boasting." - Emmet Fox |
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9/23/12 3:23:37 PM#15
Think it's because you're misinterpreting what the Elder Scrolls community largely wanted out of this whole thing.
I know, it's a fallacy to speak for the many. But fact is people wanted an elder scrolls type game, but multiplayer. Elder scrolls type gameplay, but online. It's not supposed to replace the single player titles, it's supposed to stand alongside them.
It's the core reason games like Darkfall and Mortal even had traction with lots of people. Medieval/fantasy multiplayer in the same vein as titles like Elder Scrolls and Mount&Blade. And sure, Elder Scrolls gameplay is not exactly a stellar example of good gameplay, but when they lack competitors that try to give you a similar experience it's hard not to be looked to as a 'we want more of that' type deal.
People are unhappy because they are getting a game that is ostensibly Elder Scrolls because of lore, but not gameplay. Certainly people like the lore. It's half of why things like the uesp wiki exist. But for most the lore is likely not as important as the concept behind the gameplay was. As the size of an explosion increases, the number of social situations it is incapable of solving approaches zero. - Vaarsuvius |
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9/23/12 3:23:38 PM#16
Originally posted by roo67 Except that very few modern games could continually update enough content or included enough emergent content to keep enough players playing. The issue is not a subscription. If people are willing to go to the movies and pay extra for 3d glasses for a novel experience that doesn't really add too much to the movie but still think it's worth it then they will have no problem paying a measley $15 per month for a game that they think is worth it. Subscriptions start being an issue when it's not clear what you are getting for your money. So to answer your initial question "that depends on whether or not they can supply a game that players think is worth a subscription.
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9/23/12 3:26:01 PM#17
Yes all AAA MMOs should be B2P from now on. Subscription is a failed model. Only maybe Blizzard's secret MMO might succeed long term as a new sub MMO.
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9/23/12 3:42:08 PM#18
Every MMO should be B2P.
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9/23/12 3:46:28 PM#19
I miss "depend what kind of game it is".
But since from this scarce info we have we know that TESO will be themepark & "online rpg" and not mmorpg like Zenimax said themself. Then yes it should be b2p.
IF Zenimax would be doing what TES games are (and Zenimax do not) : full sandbox then sub and no cash shop would be best choice. But in current situation it is not. |
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9/23/12 3:49:14 PM#20
I think it should have duel options,BTP with cash shop or a sub with with everything in the cash shop available in the game through loot or crafting.
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