Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by solarine

Originally posted by eAzydaman

Originally posted by Kyleran
Not a whole heck of a lot, at least in terms of character power progression and territory control which is why I decided to pass.

Sorry to hear that. Which games have you played in the past? I consider DAOC the last MMO played for me, WOW etc doesn't even count in my book. And thinking back I don't remember gear progression to be my main focus, might have been because it took AGESS to level in daoc and the pvp was just to damn good.

Also don't forget EVE. It has both (of what Kyleran said he ws looking for).

 

Me, I would like to see some stuff to do other than combat. (No, I didn't exactly "expect" them, I knew they weren't in.)

Stuff like housing, vehicle building, fishing, farming would be nice... Crafting and trading on the scale of EVE would also be a valid gamesphere. I played some games purely as a trader. As it is, solely trading in GW2 is underwhelming.

Even mini games would be cool, and at one point they said they were looking to have it, but then they told us it was going to have to wait after launch. 

Exploration is cool also, but it's something that's going to be interesting on just your first character - doing 100% map completion on an alt seems like a really boring prospect.

As for combat itself. I guess the only time I feel any thrill in combat is when it's open world PVP - being taken by surprise plays heavily into that, I suppose. Content progression a la WOW also has a certain hook, but it's not something I really dig into anymore.

 

My early MMORPG experience was molded by playing Lineage 1, DAOC, Shadowbane and Lineage 2 in order.  I went into WOW believing that all MMORPG's involved a PVP based, castle sieging end game, never occurred to me they could be designed any other way. (I didn't use to read much about new MMO's back then)

So since the, I really measure all new MMORPG's based on this criteria, and as you might imagine, most come out wanting.  You mentioned EVE, funny thing about that, I've played that the longest out of any MMO, over 3.5 years, and I've just signed up for another 3 month tour because there's nothing much out there for me to play.

I will give DFUW a try, even though I loath the idea of unrestricted FFA PVP with full looting (EVE isn't anything like this btw) but I am really, really bored so I'll put aside my preference just to see how it goes.

I'm sure GW2 is a great game, but what I noticed the past few titles that I've played, (Rift, SWTOR, TERA, TSW) is while I did have some fun leveling up characters (always do) as I approached their end games I quickly found my interest waning and quitting the games right as I reached top level or sometimes just before.

I've decided I just can't do it anymore, play the game to level up a character (even though it's pretty fun) only to hit "the end" and have nothing of interest for me.

I'm really not about endless progression, unless there's an actual reason for it, like making me stronger in PVP and even then, only if it involves benefiting my team in terms of controlling our territory and objectives.

GW2 is not that game, Anet made no secret of their intent and people who enjoy it do so for reasons different then why I play MMORPG's.

It's all good, we all like different things, and fortunately very soon I might have a shot at another game.

 

Cool, think a part of your problem though might be that your not very selective about your games. Seems like you wanna try everything. In terms of endgame Rift, SWTOR, TERA etc is all the same. No offence but those games looked like disasters from a mile away. If your cool with a hotkey MMO than ArcheAge might be something for you when or if it releases.

Originally posted by eAzydaman

Originally posted by Atlan99

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by hikaru77

Originally posted by eAzydaman

Serious question, for me endgame in GW2 has always been sPVP and WvWvW. Did anyone expect something else?

IMO have gear grind and raiding never been a meaningful way to do endgame.

 

Competitive PvP but sadly, is not in the game.  

you must have an interesting definition of competitive PVP

It was in pretty rough shape before I uninstalled.

It was easily the worst balanced BG style Pvp I had played in an mmo.

To top it off you got lots of 1v1, 1v2 matchups. Overall it left a very poor impression.

Atlan99, still here? :) Amazing how many threads you respond too when you clearly hate the game. I can think of MANY MMO's that had far worse balance from release than GW2 (WOW, AOC etc). Come on you can do better than that. The balance between classes is pretty damn good for a 3 week old game. No class is over the top OP.

When u have just 3 classes in Spvp (Thieft, Warrior, ranger), something is not right. I dont care about the PvE in gw2 i bought it for the Spvp, but atm is a joke, is never a fair match, 1vs4, 4vs8, 8v8 for 2 min, then it could be a 2v2, peolple joining and quitting all the time, it doesnt matter if you win or lose, is by far the worst Spvp system that i found is a MMO in the last 5 years or more. I stopped playing GW2 a few days ago, it doesnt have a sub, so i can wait till they fix the PvP sometime in the future. 

I expected very little and thats exactly what there is in GW2. Yes, people can make the point about 'doing vistas' or that other junk but your just basically saying you can do stuff that was available since level 1, and its stuff every other MMO basically has to do (even if not done in a fancy way such as Vistas) which to me, really can't be considered end game as much as time wasting. Then again, other games have grinding which GW2 has plenty of (and in some cases more tedious such as running the same dungeon dozens of times rather then allowing diversity) which is about impossible to neglect in MMos but you can usually hide the grind with fun, and truthfully the grind that GW2 does have doesnt' feel that fun to me. There are very few events that I can say are real enjoyable to do that I can grind those out for the karma. Crafting is probably the strongest point but again, something you basically can do much work for before 80.

WvW is the focusof their end game and truthfully it doesn't feel like it. The issue I think comes in the fact that WvW and sPvP just don't feel like they are 'end game' since you can do it since level 1. Yes, its nice having the option to do those, but in the end its just spoiling the fun and doesn't really make you feel like its an end goal you reached and now your playing it.  

I was expecting GW2 to pretty much offer PvP as their end game and in that regard it has done that... though a bit poorly. All they really offer is stuff other games have and nothing more. If they want to neglect PvE for PvP, they need to make sure PvP has a lot more to it. Guild Vs Guild would probably be the thing that would at least make the game feel better on that aspect then other games that post PvE and still have PvP elements.

Originally posted by Xiaoki

 

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Originally posted by eAzydaman

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Originally posted by snapfusion

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Originally posted by eAzydaman Serious question, for me endgame in GW2 has always been sPVP and WvWvW. Did anyone expect something else? IMO have gear grind and raiding never been a meaningful way to do endgame.  

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There are a couple of milion people out there at least that would disagree with you so I would say, your wrong, gear grinding and raiding is without out a doubt meaningful endgame to a large number of players.  But your last sentence is kind of borked so you might be saying the opposite thing, I am honestly not sure.

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I said IMO. Yup I know millions of the WOW generation like the gear grind, I just never saw the fun in that. I'm not AGAINST gear grind, as long as it's kept completely seperate from PVP (includes WvWvW in GW2).

 

 

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Gear grind and raiding did not start with WoW.

 

If you have nothing against then you wouldn't have said that it has never been meaningful.

Nope but it brought it to the extreme. Now everything has to revolve around gear. Diablo 3 even though it's not an MMO is a perfect example of a game that has ZERO enjoyment beside shinys.

It's not meaningful for me, heck I don't even think I will get the legendarys in GW2, just wanna get the exotics and start WvWvW:ing daily.

I am still puzzled by all of the endgame threads that get started about every MMO. What do you people expect endgame to be, a real life simulator? We already have one of those.

It's a game, a time waster/leisure activity, not a full time job.

And in my opinion, the endgame argument is harder to define for GW2, because to me, endgame started at level 1. I say that because I am doing the same things now at 80 that I did at 1. 

So my question to the OP is, "What do you want in endgame? "

Because I think your time would be better suited to looking for a title that delivers what you want instead of buying a game that does not promise what you want...and then acting surprised when it doesn't happen.

Originally posted by eAzydaman

It was in pretty rough shape before I uninstalled.

It was easily the worst balanced BG style Pvp I had played in an mmo.

To top it off you got lots of 1v1, 1v2 matchups. Overall it left a very poor impression.

Atlan99, still here? :) Amazing how many threads you respond too when you clearly hate the game. I can think of MANY MMO's that had far worse balance from release than GW2 (WOW, AOC etc). Come on you can do better than that. The balance between classes is pretty damn good for a 3 week old game. No class is over the top OP.

I feel someone has hold Arenanet accountable for some of the gaffes they have made thus far.

Too many people seem to be willing to give them a free pass for being "the plucky underdog". Which considering they are owned by NcSoft, is a tad out of touch with reality.

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Originally posted by eAzydaman

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Originally posted by Xiaoki  

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Originally posted by eAzydaman

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Originally posted by snapfusion

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Originally posted by eAzydaman Serious question, for me endgame in GW2 has always been sPVP and WvWvW. Did anyone expect something else? IMO have gear grind and raiding never been a meaningful way to do endgame.  

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There are a couple of milion people out there at least that would disagree with you so I would say, your wrong, gear grinding and raiding is without out a doubt meaningful endgame to a large number of players.  But your last sentence is kind of borked so you might be saying the opposite thing, I am honestly not sure.

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I said IMO. Yup I know millions of the WOW generation like the gear grind, I just never saw the fun in that. I'm not AGAINST gear grind, as long as it's kept completely seperate from PVP (includes WvWvW in GW2).    

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Gear grind and raiding did not start with WoW.   If you have nothing against then you wouldn't have said that it has never been meaningful.

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Nope but it brought it to the extreme. Now everything has to revolve around gear.  

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Was WoW your first MMO? There was gear grinding and raiding before WoW you know.

i am past the point where i expect things from MMOs.

what i expected was the same thing as in GW1.

pure pvp grind as usual.

fun WvWvW with reasonable queues ...

I'm actually not bitter though.  Just a little disappointed with WvWvW as a whole.

Originally posted by eAzydaman

 for me endgame in GW2 has always been sPVP and WvWvW.

 

 

same here....I came here for the WvW and sPvP over other reasons.

Originally posted by Xiaoki

 

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Originally posted by eAzydaman

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Originally posted by Xiaoki  

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Originally posted by eAzydaman

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Originally posted by snapfusion

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Originally posted by eAzydaman Serious question, for me endgame in GW2 has always been sPVP and WvWvW. Did anyone expect something else? IMO have gear grind and raiding never been a meaningful way to do endgame.  

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There are a couple of milion people out there at least that would disagree with you so I would say, your wrong, gear grinding and raiding is without out a doubt meaningful endgame to a large number of players.  But your last sentence is kind of borked so you might be saying the opposite thing, I am honestly not sure.

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I said IMO. Yup I know millions of the WOW generation like the gear grind, I just never saw the fun in that. I'm not AGAINST gear grind, as long as it's kept completely seperate from PVP (includes WvWvW in GW2).    

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Gear grind and raiding did not start with WoW.   If you have nothing against then you wouldn't have said that it has never been meaningful.

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Nope but it brought it to the extreme. Now everything has to revolve around gear.  

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Still not true.

 

Was WoW your first MMO? There was gear grinding and raiding before WoW you know.

DAOC was my first MMO. Can't remember chasing gear in that game, sure gear played a bigger role than in GW2 but what I remember is the large scale PVP and amazing immersive world.

I played WOW for 3 months, gear grind, cartoon style graphics and a lackluster combat system made me trash that crap fast. I'm not much for PVE though so that made it really hard for me to like that game.

Originally posted by hikaru77

Originally posted by eAzydaman

Serious question, for me endgame in GW2 has always been sPVP and WvWvW. Did anyone expect something else?

IMO have gear grind and raiding never been a meaningful way to do endgame.

 

Competitive PvP but sadly, is not in the game.  

+1

Originally posted by papardelios

Originally posted by hikaru77

Originally posted by eAzydaman

Serious question, for me endgame in GW2 has always been sPVP and WvWvW. Did anyone expect something else?

IMO have gear grind and raiding never been a meaningful way to do endgame.

 

Competitive PvP but sadly, is not in the game.  

+1

And people just uninstall the game and can't wait a month or two for competitive pvp. They already said ladder etc will be implemeted soon. There must be some other reason, you could just leave the game alone until they implement that. Or you play sPVP to get ready for it, you can't seriously have reach the skill cap on your char?

Originally posted by eAzydaman

Originally posted by papardelios

Originally posted by hikaru77

Originally posted by eAzydaman

Serious question, for me endgame in GW2 has always been sPVP and WvWvW. Did anyone expect something else?

IMO have gear grind and raiding never been a meaningful way to do endgame.

 

Competitive PvP but sadly, is not in the game.  

+1

And people just uninstall the game and can't wait a month or two for competitive pvp. They already said ladder etc will be implemeted soon. There must be some other reason, you could just leave the game alone until they implement that. Or you play sPVP to get ready for it, you can't seriously have reach the skill cap on your char?

What u mean with ¨skill cap¨? all you need to play Spvp is a level 1 char, and ¨soon¨ could be 6 months for a B2P game. 

Originally posted by prpshrt
I expected more level 80 content. There is like 1 level 80 zone. While that zone is fun to explore it's only one zone. They should open up the crystal desert, ring of fire isles, and magumma wastes IMO. 

A huge facepalm.

Originally posted by hikaru77

Originally posted by eAzydaman

Originally posted by papardelios

Originally posted by hikaru77

Originally posted by eAzydaman

Serious question, for me endgame in GW2 has always been sPVP and WvWvW. Did anyone expect something else?

IMO have gear grind and raiding never been a meaningful way to do endgame.

 

Competitive PvP but sadly, is not in the game.  

+1

And people just uninstall the game and can't wait a month or two for competitive pvp. They already said ladder etc will be implemeted soon. There must be some other reason, you could just leave the game alone until they implement that. Or you play sPVP to get ready for it, you can't seriously have reach the skill cap on your char?

What u mean with ¨skill cap¨? all you need to play Spvp is a level 1 char, and ¨soon¨ could be 6 months for a B2P game. 

I mean can you utilize your class to it's full potential? I already know the answer. The incentive for me too play is that I still have alot to learn about my thief and I continue too improve daily. Once ladders is implemented I will be paired with ppl of equal skill. I don't care about PVP levels or flashy looking gear, I play because it's fun and challengeing.

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Originally posted by Aerowyn
was just talking about this is another thread but GW2 offers tons of things to do at 80 just depends on what you value as endgame content...

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Originally posted by Aerowyn
was just talking about this is another thread but ToR offers tons of things to do at 50 just depends on what you value as endgame content..

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Originally posted by Aerowyn
was just talking about this is another thread but WoW offers tons of things to do at 85 just depends on what you value as endgame content...

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Originally posted by Aerowyn
was just talking about this is another thread but Rift offers tons of things to do at 50 just depends on what you value as endgame content...

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Originally posted by Aerowyn
was just talking about this is another thread but TSW offers tons of things to do at endgame just depends on what you value as endgame content...

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Originally posted by Aerowyn
was just talking about this is another thread but Tera offers tons of things to do at 60 just depends on what you value as endgame content...

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Yeah?

Your point?