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  Wicoa

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9/22/12 11:36:03 AM#21
I dont like CRZ period I made a whole other thread about it.
  Lazarus71

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9/22/12 11:42:50 AM#22
This is great news indeed, World PvP was what I loved about WoW, being ganked and all. Some of my best memories are the battles in TM/SS and getting some people together in STV to kick some gankers ass. I mean that's why I rolled on a pvp server at launch and never looked back.

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  DarLorkar

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9/22/12 11:53:18 AM#23

I think it is a stupid idea for ALL servers.. PVP sure make them more active. But just adds drama and problems for PVE servers.

 

After a little thought.. i would bet this is what Titan is going to use. And WOW is the test bed.

  Wicoa

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9/22/12 11:57:27 AM#24
Originally posted by DarLorkar

I think it is a stupid idea for ALL servers.. PVP sure make them more active. But just adds drama and problems for PVE servers.

 

After a little thought.. i would bet this is what Titan is going to use. And WOW is the test bed.

 

Thats an interesting after thought you got thar.

As a concept CRZ could and would work in group heavy games it would actually be a delight with a larger world and mobs to farm in that group.

In a single person levelling game which is what levelling in wow really is. Its a disaster.

  Lazarus71

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9/22/12 12:08:50 PM#25
Originally posted by Wicoa
Originally posted by DarLorkar

I think it is a stupid idea for ALL servers.. PVP sure make them more active. But just adds drama and problems for PVE servers.

 

After a little thought.. i would bet this is what Titan is going to use. And WOW is the test bed.

 

Thats an interesting after thought you got thar.

As a concept CRZ could and would work in group heavy games it would actually be a delight with a larger world and mobs to farm in that group.

In a single person levelling game which is what levelling in wow really is. Its a disaster.

Just curious did you even play WoW at launch or on a pvp server. Sounds to me like CRZ is trying to bring back what a lot of the players loved about WoW and pvp servers in the first place, as in some actual life in the open world and not just the lobby game it has become.

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  Lolus

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9/22/12 12:12:55 PM#26
CRZ is a buggy mess, good they eventually disabled it until it actually works. Merging servers would be best option anyway
  Lazarus71

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9/22/12 12:16:23 PM#27
Originally posted by Lolus
CRZ is a buggy mess, good they eventually disabled it until it actually works. Merging servers would be best option anyway

Well that's to bad, you would have thought they would have tested CRZ extensively before adding it.

Though I have not subbed for years I do agree that server merges would seem to be a better move. Anyone have any insight as to why they are not going that route?

Edit: Unless they don't want to mess with server population because of an expected large influx of players for MoP.

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  Wicoa

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9/22/12 12:33:30 PM#28
Originally posted by Lazarus71
Originally posted by Wicoa
Originally posted by DarLorkar

I think it is a stupid idea for ALL servers.. PVP sure make them more active. But just adds drama and problems for PVE servers.

 

After a little thought.. i would bet this is what Titan is going to use. And WOW is the test bed.

 

Thats an interesting after thought you got thar.

As a concept CRZ could and would work in group heavy games it would actually be a delight with a larger world and mobs to farm in that group.

In a single person levelling game which is what levelling in wow really is. Its a disaster.

Just curious did you even play WoW at launch or on a pvp server. Sounds to me like CRZ is trying to bring back what a lot of the players loved about WoW and pvp servers in the first place, as in some actual life in the open world and not just the lobby game it has become.

 

Hey laz.

Yes I played wow at launch, I started on an RP server and then later moved while still in vanilla to a pvp server, since the start of cata though I started fresh on a pve realm and honestly right now I thank the stars I did cause I would be even more upset than I am.

 

The problem is there is something gamers call "realm pride" with CRZ it has compounded the lobby game.  The whole thing is a lobby now with CRZ the only part left of a realm server world is the AH, the guilds and the city chat.  That is it.  I think its a step too far into lobbyenism.  If they rreeaallyy wanted to get people talking again, they could have just removed dungeon and raid finder.  Though personally I like those tools and I have a guild that I enjoy playing with and I chat to people I randomly find across the world.

 

Currently there are so many bugs with CRZ it should have been beta'd more for example you cannot put someone from another realm in the CRZ on ignore.  There is significant increased lag and apparently disconnects.  Your guild offline online people phase in and out, while they are still online. Some zones you cannot even quest in and this fault happens at random.  There are more poblems than this, most of them gave been posted on the US forums, the EU ones are just a mess right now.

 

The most negative thing about this whole thing is that it hasn't given players choice and thats what gaming should be about expanding the systems horizontally and giving players the tools for them to play with, themselves.  It would be better if we had 5 server shards to choose from for each zone so if one is full we can try an empty one etc.

 

They have forced the players into the worst part of a lobby game with no place to call home except the safe city zone.  I call that a mess.  This system was supposed to help low pop servers and is so misguided that it causes more problems than it fixes. Simple server mergers would have been the logical and correct response.

  Lazarus71

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9/22/12 12:40:04 PM#29
Originally posted by Wicoa
Originally posted by Lazarus71
Originally posted by Wicoa
Originally posted by DarLorkar

I think it is a stupid idea for ALL servers.. PVP sure make them more active. But just adds drama and problems for PVE servers.

 

After a little thought.. i would bet this is what Titan is going to use. And WOW is the test bed.

 

Thats an interesting after thought you got thar.

As a concept CRZ could and would work in group heavy games it would actually be a delight with a larger world and mobs to farm in that group.

In a single person levelling game which is what levelling in wow really is. Its a disaster.

Just curious did you even play WoW at launch or on a pvp server. Sounds to me like CRZ is trying to bring back what a lot of the players loved about WoW and pvp servers in the first place, as in some actual life in the open world and not just the lobby game it has become.

 

Hey laz.

Yes I played wow at launch, I started on an RP server and then later moved while still in vanilla to a pvp server, since the start of cata though I started fresh on a pve realm and honestly right now I thank the stars I did cause I would be even more upset than I am.  The problem is there is something gamers call "realm pride" with CRZ it has compounded the lobby game.  The whole thing is a lobby now with CRZ the only part left of a realm server world is the AH, the guilds and the city chat.  That is it.  I think its a step too far into lobbyenism.

If they rreeaallyy wanted to get people talking again, they could have just removed dungeon finder.

Currently there are so many bugs with CRZ it should have been beta'd more for example you cannot put someone from another realm in the CRZ on ignore.  Your guild offline online people phase in and out, while they are still online.  There are more poblems than this most of it is posted on the US forums, the EU ones are just a mess right now.

The most negative thing about this whole thing is that it hasn't given players choice and thats what gaming should be about expanding the systems horizontally and giving players the tools for them to play with themselves.  It would be better right now if we had 5 server shards to choose from for each zone so if one is full we can try an empty one etc.

They have forced the players into the worst part of a lobby game with no place to call home except the safe city zone.  I call that a mess.

I see Wicoa and I really can't disagree with the points you just made. When you put it like that CRZ does seem like a step in the wrong direction. Thanks for the civil and well thought out response to my question, a rare thing to see on the forums on this site sadly.

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  Wicoa

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9/22/12 12:41:30 PM#30
Originally posted by Lazarus71
Originally posted by Wicoa
Originally posted by Lazarus71
Originally posted by Wicoa
Originally posted by DarLorkar

I think it is a stupid idea for ALL servers.. PVP sure make them more active. But just adds drama and problems for PVE servers.

 

After a little thought.. i would bet this is what Titan is going to use. And WOW is the test bed.

 

Thats an interesting after thought you got thar.

As a concept CRZ could and would work in group heavy games it would actually be a delight with a larger world and mobs to farm in that group.

In a single person levelling game which is what levelling in wow really is. Its a disaster.

Just curious did you even play WoW at launch or on a pvp server. Sounds to me like CRZ is trying to bring back what a lot of the players loved about WoW and pvp servers in the first place, as in some actual life in the open world and not just the lobby game it has become.

 

Hey laz.

Yes I played wow at launch, I started on an RP server and then later moved while still in vanilla to a pvp server, since the start of cata though I started fresh on a pve realm and honestly right now I thank the stars I did cause I would be even more upset than I am.  The problem is there is something gamers call "realm pride" with CRZ it has compounded the lobby game.  The whole thing is a lobby now with CRZ the only part left of a realm server world is the AH, the guilds and the city chat.  That is it.  I think its a step too far into lobbyenism.

If they rreeaallyy wanted to get people talking again, they could have just removed dungeon finder.

Currently there are so many bugs with CRZ it should have been beta'd more for example you cannot put someone from another realm in the CRZ on ignore.  Your guild offline online people phase in and out, while they are still online.  There are more poblems than this most of it is posted on the US forums, the EU ones are just a mess right now.

The most negative thing about this whole thing is that it hasn't given players choice and thats what gaming should be about expanding the systems horizontally and giving players the tools for them to play with themselves.  It would be better right now if we had 5 server shards to choose from for each zone so if one is full we can try an empty one etc.

They have forced the players into the worst part of a lobby game with no place to call home except the safe city zone.  I call that a mess.

I see Wicoa and I really can't disagree with the points you just made. Thanks for the civil and well thought out response to my question, a rare thing to see on the forums on this site sadly.

Hey laz you are welcome :)

I have even edited it to make it better!

  Aori

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9/22/12 1:23:27 PM#31
Originally posted by Wicoa
Originally posted by Lazarus71
Originally posted by Wicoa
Originally posted by DarLorkar

I think it is a stupid idea for ALL servers.. PVP sure make them more active. But just adds drama and problems for PVE servers.

 

After a little thought.. i would bet this is what Titan is going to use. And WOW is the test bed.

 

Thats an interesting after thought you got thar.

As a concept CRZ could and would work in group heavy games it would actually be a delight with a larger world and mobs to farm in that group.

In a single person levelling game which is what levelling in wow really is. Its a disaster.

Just curious did you even play WoW at launch or on a pvp server. Sounds to me like CRZ is trying to bring back what a lot of the players loved about WoW and pvp servers in the first place, as in some actual life in the open world and not just the lobby game it has become.

 

Hey laz.

Yes I played wow at launch, I started on an RP server and then later moved while still in vanilla to a pvp server, since the start of cata though I started fresh on a pve realm and honestly right now I thank the stars I did cause I would be even more upset than I am.

 

The problem is there is something gamers call "realm pride" with CRZ it has compounded the lobby game.  The whole thing is a lobby now with CRZ the only part left of a realm server world is the AH, the guilds and the city chat.  That is it.  I think its a step too far into lobbyenism.  If they rreeaallyy wanted to get people talking again, they could have just removed dungeon and raid finder.  Though personally I like those tools and I have a guild that I enjoy playing with and I chat to people I randomly find across the world.

 Realm Pride died with Wotlk, since then everyone has been playing in their own bubble.

Currently there are so many bugs with CRZ it should have been beta'd more for example you cannot put someone from another realm in the CRZ on ignore.  There is significant increased lag and apparently disconnects.  Your guild offline online people phase in and out, while they are still online. Some zones you cannot even quest in and this fault happens at random.  There are more poblems than this, most of them gave been posted on the US forums, the EU ones are just a mess right now.

 CRZ is the type of feature you can't really beta extensively, there is a reason they put it on a limited amount of servers. That was the beta test. It is unrealistic to test a feature of this scale with a small amount of people and hope to get it right.

The most negative thing about this whole thing is that it hasn't given players choice and thats what gaming should be about expanding the systems horizontally and giving players the tools for them to play with, themselves.  It would be better if we had 5 server shards to choose from for each zone so if one is full we can try an empty one etc.

 A choice? It sounds like you want to play a lobby game. If the world is to big you want to move to a smaller one. The CRZ works similar, if a world is full you're not phased into it. If you want to play with friends invite them and they'll move to you. If you make friends cross server add them to your friendlist and you can play anytime you want. Plenty of choices still for the player. I like PvP servers, I have some friends who prefer rp or pve and now I can play with them anytime I want without having to roll on their server.

They have forced the players into the worst part of a lobby game with no place to call home except the safe city zone.  I call that a mess.  This system was supposed to help low pop servers and is so misguided that it causes more problems than it fixes. Simple server mergers would have been the logical and correct response.

As I said previous, realm pride is dead and I never really felt like i've had a home since BC. As for server merge, it isn't nearly as easy as you may think. Some servers have a massive amount of horde v alliance or the other way round. Trying to find a server to match up with imbalances is difficulty. You can't just split the current community and call it a day.

Not trying to nitpick ya, just an easier way to respond.

 

  Wicoa

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9/22/12 1:58:44 PM#32
To Aori

1) If they need to test it live then surely logically at the launch of an expansion is not the best  time to do it. This seems to me to be badly managed on a large scale.

 

2) If I have to live with the system then I'd rather have choices, thats a reasonable request.  Instead of stating I hate something I am setting out why I dislike it and what could be done to improve for everyone not just myself.

 

3) Realm pride is a matter of personal perspective, it certainly isn't dead for me I am proud of my realm, I enjoy being there.

  dustyhayes

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9/23/12 11:15:02 PM#33

Just a quick question for all your current WoW players

"Do you think CRZ could of waited for later since MoP launches tomorrow and there's going to be a rise in players numbers & do you think Blizzard as just preempted a fix to solve a possible future problem?"

  Nitth

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9/23/12 11:21:58 PM#34


Originally posted by Wicoa
To Aori1) If they need to test it live then surely logically at the launch of an expansion is not the best  time to do it. This seems to me to be badly managed on a large scale.

What better time to test when all the players are in the top heavy 85-90 zones and the 1-80 ones are basicly barren?

On point of the 85+ zones, You can now test he extent of the crz scaling to see how packed you can make a zone before it incurs lag.


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  GeezerGamer

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9/23/12 11:25:46 PM#35
Originally posted by Senden
I've seen way too many complaints from people regarding the new CRZ ranging from "I choose low pop servers so I can quest in peace and now I can't" to "I can no longer choose when I pvp on a pvp server" and to be honest I could go on. Now CRZs probably need tweaking somewhat to get just right but really.. an MMO developer trying to breathe new life into the open world and to actually make it feel like a real MMORPG again.. only WoW players would consider it a bad thing. I hope there are some people (ghostcrawler I'm looking at you mr old EQ guy you) at the Blizzard development team who feel partially responsible for this weird breed of supposed MMORPG gamer that WoW gave dirty man-birth to.

Wait, Someone rolls on a PVP server and is now bitching because they can't chose when they PVP?

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9/23/12 11:26:29 PM#36
Originally posted by Dauntis
To me a bigger complaint is the gutting of the skill system... I mean yeah it used to be the same four buttons now it is what two buttons you mash continually?

 

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9/23/12 11:27:17 PM#37

The CRZ drama baffled me, it's an amazing feature, granted it was implemented with a lot of bugs from what I've heard and from what the hotfixes have been correcting.

It's a shame they already got rid of group quests and the zones have been recently redesigned (Azeroth, Cataclysm) to focus on exclusively solo gameplay.

CRZ is actually the feature that appealed the most to me, I'll check the expansion out (starting with an alt) when I stop spending all my gaming time on GW2. And that's coming from someone playing on a PvP server, so I expect to see a lot of bored 90s that apparently have nothing else to do than to grief lower level characters.

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9/23/12 11:28:05 PM#38


Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Originally posted by Senden I've seen way too many complaints from people regarding the new CRZ ranging from "I choose low pop servers so I can quest in peace and now I can't" to "I can no longer choose when I pvp on a pvp server" and to be honest I could go on. Now CRZs probably need tweaking somewhat to get just right but really.. an MMO developer trying to breathe new life into the open world and to actually make it feel like a real MMORPG again.. only WoW players would consider it a bad thing. I hope there are some people (ghostcrawler I'm looking at you mr old EQ guy you) at the Blizzard development team who feel partially responsible for this weird breed of supposed MMORPG gamer that WoW gave dirty man-birth to.
Wait, Someone rolls on a PVP server and is now bitching because they can't chose when they PVP?

Crazy world we live in now right?


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