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  sr7olsniper

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9/21/12 4:29:09 PM#141
Originally posted by Rokurgepta
Sorry but Pay to Win implies you can get something with money that you can't get in game any other way. That you are BUYING an advantage that the others can't get unless they too spend money. Simply not true in GW2.

Not really. Pay to win is anything that affects character power. If you can buy the best gear with real money regardless if this is in game or not, specially more so if the grind is retardedly long, then that is p2w

At least with a sub game they know that people won't tolerate bullshit and leave. With anet we have no recourse but to buy our own lube so our assholes don't get too stretched out from getting bent over a table at Anets will. - Hrimnir

  sr7olsniper

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9/21/12 4:37:13 PM#142
Originally posted by EvolvedMonky

Um this thread is just full of trolls and if there not trolls there mmo noobs.

Cant believe there are people saying GW2 is pay 2 win and grindy. Seriously go out in the mmo world and play all the f2p games out there. 

The whole point of a cash shop is pay for convience or cosmetics. The bad ones will implement items in there shops that require you to pay to be competitive, not competitive early but to be competitive at all.  Thats where that term pay 2 win came from.  There were certain games early on where you had to pay money if you even wanted to stand a chance in pvp or even be able to be picked for raids. There was no chance you could gain these items or bonuses thru the game. You had to buy them and in doing that gave paying players and edge.

Its normal for f2p cash shops to sell items that help you lvl or whatever faster than a non paying player. It would be stupid buisness practice to only sell bunny ears and expect to make mad revenue.  

I agree with you up to a certain point. Now a days anything that directly enhances player power at max lvl is considered pay to win. If you take the 250k karma needed the grins is 720 des. You can do that, or buy gems, turn them into gold and buy equal gear. That is the very definition of paytowin. You could also argue that the whole being able to buy currency both directly or indirectly is pay to win in a game like GW2 because the game is based around e market. You can buy siege weapons to give you an edge and that costs gold, you can get e best gear from crafting and that costs gold, I can go on. It is in an essence a design flaw to make everything a evil able with gold because you inevitably run into these issues, ven moreover if their is PVP involved. Te best way to go about is yiu can get the N-1 gear with money but you actually need to do content to get the top gear. The thing is though, there is no gear progression in GW2 so the difference would be minimal 

At least with a sub game they know that people won't tolerate bullshit and leave. With anet we have no recourse but to buy our own lube so our assholes don't get too stretched out from getting bent over a table at Anets will. - Hrimnir

  Rhoklaw

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9/21/12 4:41:47 PM#143

Gear progression, gear treadmill, whatever you want to call it. GW2 does in fact have a very, VERY gear dependant PvP system. At least in terms of W v W. Levels may not play a huge roll in difference but when you have a level 80 in full exotics going up against anything but, expect to get your ass handed to you.

So, that being said, if your 25, 40, 65 or even 79. Don't expect a fair fight by any means if your opponent is capped out on level 80 exotic gear.

Today, all I did was get 1 or 2 shotted. Whether it was a 2h warrior, a thief or believe it or not, an AOE from an elementalist. Yes, Meteor Shower actually killed me in 2 hits. I guess when my MS only does about 700-1200 dmg a hit. Seeing someone elses doing 6000-8000 a hit is just plain stupid.

I thought GW2's W v W would give me what I missed about DAoC's Frontier R v R. Instead, its more of an FPS one shot game instead of a drawn out crowd control game. I love GW2's concept for W v W but who wants to play a game where you get 1-2 shot on a regular basis. Whats the point of playing? Especially when repair costs are as absurd as they are.

I don't know, maybe it's just me, but it seems more and more MMO's are giving into the FPS shooter genre instead of focusing on the RPG like the games of old. Are kids these days that desperate for their instant gratification that they can't sit and enjoy a battle if it takes them 10-15 minutes to win?

  Tardcore

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9/21/12 4:45:45 PM#144
Originally posted by The_Korrigan
Originally posted by sookster54
Those who rushed to 80 and skipped a good chunk of the world's content are the ones that need to shell out cash to get the things they need.

And I kinda like that concept. The lazy pay real money to buy my materials on the auction house.

Actually, it's brilliant - please keep on rushing ;-)

I'm a little curious about the whole "rushing to 80" kerfuffle. Zylaxx, one of the more passonite fans of this game already has a level 80 and apperently has had one for awhile. I'd like to see his feelings on this subject as I seriously doubt a player that has been so looking forward to this game would have cut corners just to hit level cap.

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  SteeJanz

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9/21/12 4:52:29 PM#145
Originally posted by Tardcore
Originally posted by The_Korrigan
Originally posted by sookster54
Those who rushed to 80 and skipped a good chunk of the world's content are the ones that need to shell out cash to get the things they need.

And I kinda like that concept. The lazy pay real money to buy my materials on the auction house.

Actually, it's brilliant - please keep on rushing ;-)

I'm a little curious about the whole "rushing to 80" kerfuffle. Zylaxx, one of the more passonite fans of this game already has a level 80 and apperently has had one for awhile. I'd like to see his feelings on this subject as I seriously doubt a player that has been so looking forward to this game would have cut corners just to hit level cap.

Or he just played alot more.  I'm a little curious to why you care.  GW2 seems to have more of a hold on those that don't care for it that much then it does for those that do.  Weird.

  Tardcore

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9/21/12 4:58:29 PM#146
Originally posted by SteeJanz
Originally posted by Tardcore
Originally posted by The_Korrigan
Originally posted by sookster54
Those who rushed to 80 and skipped a good chunk of the world's content are the ones that need to shell out cash to get the things they need.

And I kinda like that concept. The lazy pay real money to buy my materials on the auction house.

Actually, it's brilliant - please keep on rushing ;-)

I'm a little curious about the whole "rushing to 80" kerfuffle. Zylaxx, one of the more passonite fans of this game already has a level 80 and apperently has had one for awhile. I'd like to see his feelings on this subject as I seriously doubt a player that has been so looking forward to this game would have cut corners just to hit level cap.

Or he just played alot more.  I'm a little curious to why you care.  GW2 seems to have more of a hold on those that don't care for it that much then it does for those that do.  Weird.

Hate to tell you this sparky but I'm actually playing the game, as I've said numerous times on these forums. But I guess in your world you can only love something OR crtitique it, but not both.

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  gurugeorge

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9/21/12 9:03:09 PM#147
Originally posted by sr7olsniper
Originally posted by Rokurgepta
Sorry but Pay to Win implies you can get something with money that you can't get in game any other way. That you are BUYING an advantage that the others can't get unless they too spend money. Simply not true in GW2.

Not really. Pay to win is anything that affects character power. If you can buy the best gear with real money regardless if this is in game or not, specially more so if the grind is retardedly long, then that is p2w

FWIW I've never seen P2W defined like that.  It always means being able to buy an advantage with real money that a player can't achieve in-game.  It bites doubly hard in games where gear stats count for more than skill.

GW2 simply doesn't answer to that definition.  All items that can be bought can be obtained by grind.  And gear counts for less than skill anyway.  9/10 a good player in Masterwork will beat a bad player in Exotic.

It's no different than EVE's system - you can buy PLEX and sell in game to get isk, and you can buy stuff quickly that you might otherwise have had to grind for, but in no case can you buy anything that someone couldn't get by grinding.  In the arguments that raged when it looked like EVE was going to introduce P2W into their cash shop, the definition of P2W I gave above was the operative one.  Similar also is the difference in "gear" - e.g. you can buy expensive ships with slightly better stats, but they count for less than player skill and sp (which is based on an absolute time factor thet can't be circumvented anyway).

Nobody objects all that strongly to time shortcuts; what people object to is other players being able to buy a massive advantage over others via the cash shop, that others can't hope to match even by in-game activity.

  Purutzil

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9/21/12 9:08:35 PM#148
Originally posted by sr7olsniper
Originally posted by Rokurgepta
Sorry but Pay to Win implies you can get something with money that you can't get in game any other way. That you are BUYING an advantage that the others can't get unless they too spend money. Simply not true in GW2.

Not really. Pay to win is anything that affects character power. If you can buy the best gear with real money regardless if this is in game or not, specially more so if the grind is retardedly long, then that is p2w

Very true. Its P2W... but people have certain 'limits' of what people can stand. In many cases a small tiny exp boost isn't likely to be considered a big deal, though theres people who do consider it a big advantage. It depends really on the person and just how much of an effect it has on the player. 

Guildwars 2 IS P2W, even if it had a much more minor effect like "5% exp boost" as the only benefit, it still could be considered to some extent that. Issue comes that when you can buy gems and turn them into gold, along with the other parts to it, you got something thats hard to argue that it doesn't have at least some pay 2 win aspects. Its really up to the user to determine if its within an acceptable amount to them. 

 

Overall (on topic) I do agree they put out a lot of contradictions... mostly on the developer sides. They claim a lot but it still has many of the old practices in place. Its not a bad thing, mind you, but it does bother people when you call out your one thing but truthfully your something else.

  Bladestrom

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9/21/12 9:24:20 PM#149
P2W = pay to win. In some mmorgs gear = advantage therefore when you buy gear you have an advantage. In GW2 gear is not an advantage, because everyone has a full exotic set ( oh not now the game just released but in a few months everyone will). So you are not paying to win anything, it is not P2W.

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  NightBandit

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9/21/12 9:31:50 PM#150

I pay to win everytime I buy a game so it's all the same no matter how you want to dress it up. I'm not sure what the big deal is, you either like a game to buy and play it or you don't. So all this BS about buying to win is all a load of Bollacks IMO. If you feel it's not the right thing to do then don't buy the damn game no one is making you have that model.

The thing is, some folks have the money and a different mind set about how they want to play a game and what gives anyone else the right to tell them otherwise, not you or I end of. Games are made for people to have fun or do as they please, it may not be your cup of tea how they do that, but sorry pal that's how it will always be and complaining about it is a total waste or reading and writing time. Thankfully I have the time to respond but normally I would not bother.

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  TwoThreeFour

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9/21/12 9:32:55 PM#151
Originally posted by Bladestrom
P2W = pay to win. In some mmorgs gear = advantage therefore when you buy gear you have an advantage. In GW2 gear is not an advantage, because everyone has a full exotic set ( oh not now the game just released but in a few months everyone will). So you are not paying to win anything, it is not P2W.

Many F2P "P2W" games work similarely: as long as you've invested enough time you will be on par with avid item mall users, the question of relevance to decide if it is "P2W" is to check how much time is required to catch up.

  GeezerGamer

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9/21/12 9:35:13 PM#152


Originally posted by gurugeorge

Originally posted by sr7olsniper

Originally posted by Rokurgepta Sorry but Pay to Win implies you can get something with money that you can't get in game any other way. That you are BUYING an advantage that the others can't get unless they too spend money. Simply not true in GW2.
Not really. Pay to win is anything that affects character power. If you can buy the best gear with real money regardless if this is in game or not, specially more so if the grind is retardedly long, then that is p2w
FWIW I've never seen P2W defined like that.  It always means being able to buy an advantage with real money that a player can't achieve in-game.  It bites doubly hard in games where gear stats count for more than skill.

GW2 simply doesn't answer to that definition.  All items that can be bought can be obtained by grind.  And gear counts for less than skill anyway.  9/10 a good player in Masterwork will beat a bad player in Exotic.

It's no different than EVE's system - you can buy PLEX and sell in game to get isk, and you can buy stuff quickly that you might otherwise have had to grind for, but in no case can you buy anything that someone couldn't get by grinding.  In the arguments that raged when it looked like EVE was going to introduce P2W into their cash shop, the definition of P2W I gave above was the operative one.  Similar also is the difference in "gear" - e.g. you can buy expensive ships with slightly better stats, but they count for less than player skill and sp (which is based on an absolute time factor thet can't be circumvented anyway).

Nobody objects all that strongly to time shortcuts; what people object to is other players being able to buy a massive advantage over others via the cash shop, that others can't hope to match even by in-game activity.


Yes and no. While I currently don't see GW2 as P2W, they are walking the line. Because it's not as simple as whether or not you can grind it out, but also how long it will take, If the amount of time is such that the power gap is both profound and extended, that crosses P2W. If the cash buyer has enough time to use that power gap to establish things that will perpetuate his position even after the gap is bridged, that is P2W. Again, I don't see GW2 doing these things, but they are nerfing the ways in which players can effectively grind. So they are taking steps that will lead to an extended lead for the real money player. However, I don't see that advantage or any other residual advantage lingering on after the grinder catches up. Now, if ArenaNet implements something in the mean time, that allowing yet another power extension that the spender can take advantage of immediately and at the same time forcing the grinder to once again begin the grind to try to bridge a power gap that will only reset once again when he reaches it. Thus creating a perpetuating cycle where the grinder is always behind playing catch up and never actually getting there, then that is also P2W.

Sometimes a little time with a small advantage is all you need to guaranty a win.

I feel that the state of the genre is such that a total and complete failure is needed so it can be reborn anew.
I'm actually hoping this new generation of 8 button MMOs will make that happen.

  stratasaurus

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9/21/12 9:40:09 PM#153
Originally posted by Eir_S
Originally posted by bubaluba
Uh thats one huge grind! I don't know one game where you need to grind so much.

I can think of several.

I think the point is not really that there is more grind then other games.  The point is there was not suppose to be grinding.  Of course grinding is a part of playing any MMO and people just need to get over it.  If you don't want to have any kind of grinding go play a single player game where you play to the end and thats it.  Want to be social go buy a co-op game.

 

Now the WvW is a real issue as is leveling back.  It is not challenging to go back to low levels with high level gear.  ANET did a very horrible job and took the shortcut with how to scale levels instead of making it so the scaling was actually anything close to accurate.  IMO level scaling was the largest miss in GW2 and will hurt them in the long run as it was a huge selling point.  This will not hit for a little while still but as more people get to 80 with exotics pvp will become unrealistic for those at low levels.  This also I do not think is something ANET can "just fix" how level scaling works I'm sure is pretty deep in the code and is not something they will ever be willing to spend the huge amount of time/money to change.  End of the day new players will log on and try pvp and get pwned and so will people rolling alts.  How much this will hurt GW2 who knows but it will def hurt them.

  IPolygon

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9/22/12 5:19:21 AM#154
Originally posted by sr7olsniper
Originally posted by Rokurgepta
Sorry but Pay to Win implies you can get something with money that you can't get in game any other way. That you are BUYING an advantage that the others can't get unless they too spend money. Simply not true in GW2.

Not really. Pay to win is anything that affects character power. If you can buy the best gear with real money regardless if this is in game or not, specially more so if the grind is retardedly long, then that is p2w

No, p2w only makes sense in player to player competition. There is no p2w in PvE.

  lilHeala

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9/22/12 5:38:24 AM#155
Originally posted by MMOExposed
Originally posted by AegisSaga
snippedysnip

offcial forum copy paste to MMORPG.com...

 

haha yeah and it's not the first time I see it. Some folks think their opinion is so important that they almost make it like propaganda for their 1-man campaign.

  Nadia

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9/22/12 6:00:01 AM#156
Originally posted by Rhoklaw

I guess when my MS only does about 700-1200 dmg a hit. Seeing someone elses doing 6000-8000 a hit is just plain stupid.

how does someone make MS do 8X damage in exotic gear?

  TwoThreeFour

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9/22/12 7:24:16 AM#157
Originally posted by IPolygon
Originally posted by sr7olsniper
Originally posted by Rokurgepta
Sorry but Pay to Win implies you can get something with money that you can't get in game any other way. That you are BUYING an advantage that the others can't get unless they too spend money. Simply not true in GW2.

Not really. Pay to win is anything that affects character power. If you can buy the best gear with real money regardless if this is in game or not, specially more so if the grind is retardedly long, then that is p2w

No, p2w only makes sense in player to player competition. There is no p2w in PvE.

What about level competitions? Because despite PvE servers, level competitions still happen in games where it is hard to reach max level.

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