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9/20/12 10:11:16 AM#41
Originally posted by Caldrin Well it was only just millions of through sales, 2.4M was the last announced number. And financially - as mentioned above - this means little unless conpared to the cost of the game. And in this regard JR, CEO of EA said that SWTOR needed 1M (long term) subs if it was to "show a profit but nothing to write home about". Sure analysts estimated that 2M copies sold would result in $60M profit but SWTOR cost more. (You may have also seen a 500k subs number, that was how many subs were needed to cover their operating costs - it will be less than that now of course following the cut-backs.)
I also agree with the above posters who question whether the number of subs is stable. If 20% of the 2.4M through sales took out a 6 month sub then that would be 480k subs coming up for renewal in August and September. EA would know the exact number and the renewal rate but they clearly expected a pretty huge drop off given the sub number they announced - something between 500k and 1M. A pretty big margin of error! So 1.7M in Feb, 1.3M somethings in May, no more than 1M in July and expecting a fall towards 500k. Not good especially when you needed 1M to make a profit and were planning on 1.2M when they bought Bioware (as stated by EA CEO JR to the media).
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9/20/12 11:28:14 AM#42
Originally posted by Fadedbomb The burden of proof lies with the person making the assertion (you). He's not being lazy by not rushing out to prove your point for you, you are for not supplying proof in the first place. That being said, I agree with you that they were in direct competition for the same customers. I disagree that "not beating WoW" makes them a failure. "Criticism is an indirect form of self-boasting." - Emmet Fox |
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9/20/12 9:40:52 PM#43
Originally posted by LoverNoFighter If WoW is so great then why are we wanting all games to beat WoW's butt and take over their #1 spot. By the way, not all of us like GW2. Does that make us a failure for not seeing what you see?
Langsdorff |
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Foomerang
Advanced Member
Joined: 11/10/05
A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still |
9/20/12 9:45:06 PM#44
have they made their money back on this game? Themepark is not a sub genre, its an excuse. |
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9/21/12 5:25:42 AM#45
This does not look to me being successful thread :-) but for me SWTOR is best game ever of any genre. Not joking. But of course this is my taste and I'm not blind to see have lost numbers. But after joining servers nearly all areas were full, mailny starting can confirm as I have starded to build next 4 empire builds (now have 4 maxed out rep. and 4 emp.). And I'm big lover of WOW, which have been moved to 2nd place after long years being 1st. But they are close. On 3rd i see Rift. Great game ... but still for me wow and swtor are more to my taste. On the other hand could look to so many wow and swtor haters impossible, that I love every day more and more GW2, TSW also (even if I have stopped short of free time expired) hope stay among us, CO is very fun but only from time to time, liked a lot once Aoc and War (but too many bugs and zero support), .... Up to lv. 20 even loved Aion despite many problems ... after that this game is permanently dead for me. Same as Rappelz and some other "free". But never hated them. If so many enjoy them, good for them. Hope this game stays. I would never go to their forums and bash their loved games as many do as full job occupation with wow, swtor, ... and few others. I can mantion them as bad examples, but that's all. It is not bashing. |
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9/21/12 5:28:19 AM#46
Originally posted by Langsdorff We?? Do not count me. I just want to play more and more of good games and last thing that would cross my mind is wanting for that any game to kill any other game. This is main problem not only in gaming. Troubled people just wanting failure of one thing because of another. And if eventually this happen they will try to find another traget. Really sick way of enjyoing life. |
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9/21/12 6:03:45 AM#47
TOR is far from a success we all know it, It's more the biggest failure in MMO history. Within 6 months this massive would be beast did server merges, huge exodus of players and turned into f2p, if that's not a failure then I don't know what is. If it's not broken, you are not innovating. |
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9/21/12 6:08:56 AM#48
SWTOR would be a success if it were developed by a small company with a budget up to 40-50 mil top. That would mean that the 2 mil box sales would pay off the development. Which obviously isn't the case. SWTOR is considered by many the most expensive game in a gaming history costing anywhere between 150-500 mil. The 2 milion sales and low of retention (currently between 200-400k) is NOT EVEN close to pay off the investment.
REALITY CHECK |
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9/21/12 7:22:03 AM#49
Failure as an investment. Failure as an MMO. Failure as a game. "i don't waste my time building relationship in games" - nariusseldon |
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9/21/12 7:39:35 AM#50
Originally posted by Torgrim I guess this makes you happy and sleeping better at night. |
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9/21/12 7:43:50 AM#51
Originally posted by LoverNoFighter
I remember you from the Euro-Chim boards...nice to see familiar posters from back in the day...
Happy trails dude /lick
Driz |
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Kyleran
 Bitter Vet™
Joined: 9/13/06
Fools find no pleasure in understanding, but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV |
9/21/12 7:46:08 AM#52
Originally posted by RavingRabbid I didn't really see a conflict, after all, SWTOR really is a giant single player game experience and not a proper MMO so of course Rabbids can play it. Actually makes perfect sense when you think about it. "What gamers want ... is new game play patterns different from what they've experienced before" - Axehilt |
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9/21/12 7:49:26 AM#53
Originally posted by lifeordinary
My thoughts exactly. |
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Loktofeit
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Joined: 1/13/10
EVE in 2013 - DUST 514, CSM8, Fanfest, 10th Anniversary, Uprising, Odyssey. Gonna be a good year :) |
9/21/12 8:00:45 AM#54
Originally posted by Caldrin Can you link to data on that second part? filmoret: One thing I have never figured out is why the game devs hardly ever fix simple problems that arise. It is like they don't care about the pvp community. Nitth: What makes you so sure its a simple fix? filmoret: Because most of them are. Sometimes its just changing a number in a code string other times its creating a few variables. However none of them should take over a few hours of coding. |
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9/21/12 8:18:06 AM#55
Originally posted by Loktofeit I'd bet he's just guessing. Because, you know, he said he was guessing. /facepalm "Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice." ~Greys Law |
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9/21/12 11:38:39 AM#56
Originally posted by Kyleran I guess you did not actually play, just bashing ... because as I have played for very long one of the best parts of swtor is that you can solo or group play until the end. Only class quests are mondatory and they are solo. |
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9/21/12 11:40:27 AM#57
Originally posted by Tardcore Ops, it looks somebody forgot to take pills lately .... |
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9/21/12 11:47:55 AM#58
My Lord.....Some of you people have way to much time writing essays on a game. It's simple, Like a game play it, Dont like a game? Find one you like. There simple.
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Karahandras
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Joined: 8/11/08
All it takes for evil to succeed is for the good to stand by and do nothing |
9/21/12 11:57:06 AM#59
Originally posted by LoverNoFighter Just old of mild curiosity who(apart from the fanboys) is/are claiming it's a success? |
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Karahandras
Hard Core Member
Joined: 8/11/08
All it takes for evil to succeed is for the good to stand by and do nothing |
9/21/12 12:01:37 PM#60
Originally posted by Caldrin I think it's something like 2.5 mil copies sold. Which seems good until you remember they spent something like 150 million dollars on advertising and so the copies sold would maybe have made half that back(if they were lucky) and that doesn't include develpment costs and license fee etc.. With that amount poured into advertising they really were expecting much more in the way of sales. |
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