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  krakra70

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9/20/12 8:42:09 PM#21
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by krakra70
Just looking at the chart at http://beta.xfire.com/games/gw2 it's easy to see that gw2's population is shrinking very quickly. And the best is yet to come (MoP).

that's not what I see.

 

(not a gw2 player btw).

 

the decline is descelerating. the game is approaching stability. naturally stability is below the peak not above it otherwise it wouldn't be called a peak.

 

the final datapoint is abnormal, that does show accelerated decline but I won't make predictions out of 1 datapoint.

 

edit: Phry, i know the words "steady decline" sound cool and all but the quadratic curve I'm looking at is the exact opposite of 'steady'. a straight line is steady. a parabola is not steady.

It doesn't matter if the decline is deccelerating or steady. What matters is that there is a decline already (not even 1 month after launch). Successful MMOs usually GROW in numbers for the first few years, then they peak and then they start losing players. 

 

BTW It's very noticable when doing DEs in level 20-60 zones nowadays. I see myself skipping most of the group events (because I can't find other people) which never happened when I got my first char to 80. 

  User Deleted
9/20/12 8:45:08 PM#22
Originally posted by Eir_S
Originally posted by krakra70
Just looking at the chart at http://beta.xfire.com/games/gw2 it's easy to see that gw2's population is shrinking very quickly. And the best is yet to come (MoP).

Best kid's game, maybe.

 

This made me lol. Yes, I think wow has its share of minors, but GW2 is so obviously aimed at a 10-18 audience. How can you not see this?

  Robokapp

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9/20/12 8:51:20 PM#23
Originally posted by krakra70
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by krakra70
Just looking at the chart at http://beta.xfire.com/games/gw2 it's easy to see that gw2's population is shrinking very quickly. And the best is yet to come (MoP).

that's not what I see.

 

(not a gw2 player btw).

 

the decline is descelerating. the game is approaching stability. naturally stability is below the peak not above it otherwise it wouldn't be called a peak.

 

the final datapoint is abnormal, that does show accelerated decline but I won't make predictions out of 1 datapoint.

 

edit: Phry, i know the words "steady decline" sound cool and all but the quadratic curve I'm looking at is the exact opposite of 'steady'. a straight line is steady. a parabola is not steady.

It doesn't matter if the decline is deccelerating or steady. What matters is that there is a decline already (not even 1 month after launch). Successful MMOs usually GROW in numbers for the first few years, then they peak and then they start losing players. 

 

BTW It's very noticable when doing DEs in level 20-60 zones nowadays. I see myself skipping most of the group events (because I can't find other people) which never happened when I got my first char to 80. 

I don't dissagree. You are correct.

 

form what I see, the game will have a slower death than the latest new releases however. perhaps the payment model is at work here?

  Jackdog

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9/20/12 8:51:50 PM#24
Originally posted by krakra70

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It doesn't matter if the decline is deccelerating or steady. What matters is that there is a decline already (not even 1 month after launch). Successful MMOs usually GROW in numbers for the first few years, then they peak and then they start losing players. 

 

stil have not answered the question. WoW had right at 49K players on Aug 26 2 days before GW2 release, yesterday it had 21K,. SWToR, LoTRO. and Aion are all also pretty much at the same pont they were at GW2's release. If people are abandoning GW2 in droves as you are claiming where are they going ? WoW lost almost 60% of it's XFire numbers with GW2's release and they don't seem to be going back

I miss DAoC

  Jimmydean

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9/20/12 8:56:30 PM#25
Originally posted by Jackdog
Originally posted by krakra70

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It doesn't matter if the decline is deccelerating or steady. What matters is that there is a decline already (not even 1 month after launch). Successful MMOs usually GROW in numbers for the first few years, then they peak and then they start losing players. 

 

stil have not answered the question. WoW had right at 49K players on Aug 26 2 days before GW2 release, yesterday it had 21K,. SWToR, LoTRO. and Aion are all also pretty much at the same pont they were at GW2's release. If people are abandoning GW2 in droves as you are claiming where are they going ? WoW lost almost 60% of it's XFire numbers with GW2's release and they don't seem to be going back

Reserved for sept 25th. 

Check back then, you'll see where they went.

  Jackdog

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9/20/12 9:00:22 PM#26
Originally posted by Jimmydean
 

Reserved for sept 25th. 

Check back then, you'll see where they went.

so what is your prediction for September 25th? 40K ? 50K? And where will they be on November 25th? Do you honestly think 5 levels and a panda race going to get WoW back up into the 100's like it was a year or so back? WoW has been steadily losing numbers for a long time before GW2's release. My guess is people are tired of the endless grind, time will tell of course

 

No doubt WoW wil get a bump on the 25th, just like GW2's first weekend was the highest numbers it has seen. Question is how long will it take for the shiny to wear off?

I miss DAoC

  GeezerGamer

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9/20/12 9:03:49 PM#27


Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by krakra70 . It doesn't matter if the decline is deccelerating or steady. What matters is that there is a decline already (not even 1 month after launch). Successful MMOs usually GROW in numbers for the first few years, then they peak and then they start losing players.   
stil have not answered the question. WoW had right at 49K players on Aug 26 2 days before GW2 release, yesterday it had 21K,. SWToR, LoTRO. and Aion are all also pretty much at the same pont they were at GW2's release. If people are abandoning GW2 in droves as you are claiming where are they going ? WoW lost almost 60% of it's XFire numbers with GW2's release and they don't seem to be going back

maybe they cancelled their subs for a month to check out GW2 and are just waiting til the 25th?
I don't know, just a guess.

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  hikaru77

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Joined: 3/28/07
Posts: 1012

9/20/12 9:08:45 PM#28
Originally posted by krakra70
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by krakra70
Just looking at the chart at http://beta.xfire.com/games/gw2 it's easy to see that gw2's population is shrinking very quickly. And the best is yet to come (MoP).

that's not what I see.

 

(not a gw2 player btw).

 

the decline is descelerating. the game is approaching stability. naturally stability is below the peak not above it otherwise it wouldn't be called a peak.

 

the final datapoint is abnormal, that does show accelerated decline but I won't make predictions out of 1 datapoint.

 

edit: Phry, i know the words "steady decline" sound cool and all but the quadratic curve I'm looking at is the exact opposite of 'steady'. a straight line is steady. a parabola is not steady.

It doesn't matter if the decline is deccelerating or steady. What matters is that there is a decline already (not even 1 month after launch). Successful MMOs usually GROW in numbers for the first few years, then they peak and then they start losing players. 

 

BTW It's very noticable when doing DEs in level 20-60 zones nowadays. I see myself skipping most of the group events (because I can't find other people) which never happened when I got my first char to 80. 

It will be even worse after MoP, and i dont like wow. Not even a month and population is droping fast, i wonder why?

  stevebmbsqd

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9/20/12 9:13:21 PM#29
Originally posted by Jackdog

While I agree that XFire numbers have droppedin the last 3 weeks,the question is where did the players go to?  The #2 western MMO which would be WoW, it's numbers have been flat for the last 3 weeks, # 3 would be SWToR also flat, Aion dropped a bit, LoTRO is pretty much flat. If people are dropping GW2, where are they going ? Certainly not back to WoW, SWToR, Aion, or LoTRO although WoW did take a almost 50% hit on GW2's release date it looks like.Back on Aug 26th WoW had almost 50K hours

On the MOP thing I just have to chuckle, not sure who thought that was a billiant idea but have to wonder what demographic they are aiming for with pandas.  Will be interesting to see how much of a XFire bounce they get and how long it sustains

 You do realize that the Pandaren were the most requested race in a poll awhile back right? Blizzard didn't just pull that race out of their ass as the one to add.........

  Jackdog

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Posts: 6374

9/20/12 9:15:17 PM#30
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

 


Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by krakra70 . It doesn't matter if the decline is deccelerating or steady. What matters is that there is a decline already (not even 1 month after launch). Successful MMOs usually GROW in numbers for the first few years, then they peak and then they start losing players.   
stil have not answered the question. WoW had right at 49K players on Aug 26 2 days before GW2 release, yesterday it had 21K,. SWToR, LoTRO. and Aion are all also pretty much at the same pont they were at GW2's release. If people are abandoning GW2 in droves as you are claiming where are they going ? WoW lost almost 60% of it's XFire numbers with GW2's release and they don't seem to be going back

 

maybe they cancelled their subs for a month to check out GW2 and are just waiting til the 25th?
I don't know, just a guess.

WoW been losing players long before GW2 released and I seriosly doubt if 60% of the playerbases subs all expired on the 26th of August. If they were going to give GW2 a looksee and did not care for it you would thing that WOW's numbers would already be climbing back to the pre GW2 numbers

dunno myself,. I do k=know though that the first 2 weeks of GW2 I was logging in 12 to 14 hours a day, now I am down to 4 - 6

I miss DAoC

  Jackdog

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Posts: 6374

9/20/12 9:17:19 PM#31
Originally posted by stevebmbsqd
 

 You do realize that the Pandaren were the most requested race in a poll awhile back right? Blizzard didn't just pull that race out of their ass as the one to add.........

if that is true then that makes it even funnier. What were the other choices, all something oriental in nature I assume judging from the rest of the expansions content

I miss DAoC

  NibiruX

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9/20/12 9:20:12 PM#32
Originally posted by hikaru77
Originally posted by krakra70
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by krakra70
Just looking at the chart at http://beta.xfire.com/games/gw2 it's easy to see that gw2's population is shrinking very quickly. And the best is yet to come (MoP).

that's not what I see.

 

(not a gw2 player btw).

 

the decline is descelerating. the game is approaching stability. naturally stability is below the peak not above it otherwise it wouldn't be called a peak.

 

the final datapoint is abnormal, that does show accelerated decline but I won't make predictions out of 1 datapoint.

 

edit: Phry, i know the words "steady decline" sound cool and all but the quadratic curve I'm looking at is the exact opposite of 'steady'. a straight line is steady. a parabola is not steady.

It doesn't matter if the decline is deccelerating or steady. What matters is that there is a decline already (not even 1 month after launch). Successful MMOs usually GROW in numbers for the first few years, then they peak and then they start losing players. 

 

BTW It's very noticable when doing DEs in level 20-60 zones nowadays. I see myself skipping most of the group events (because I can't find other people) which never happened when I got my first char to 80. 

It will be even worse after MoP, and i dont like wow. Not even a month and population is droping fast, i wonder why?

clearly xfire population has nothing to do with actual numbers because we know wow has more player than guild wars 2 but at the same time gw2 has more players than wow on xfire so clearly a drop in xfire players does nothing to demonstrate a drop in actual numbers.

  Jackdog

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9/20/12 9:20:21 PM#33
Originally posted by hikaru77
 

It will be even worse after MoP, and i dont like wow. Not even a month and population is droping fast, i wonder why?

my guess would be school starting, and getting over the I have to get 1 more level before bed syndrome that always occurs with a new games release

Like I pointed out all of the top 5 MMOs have dropped by 30 - 50  % since GW2 released. Their numbers have not bounced up with GW2's numbers decline. Did everyone just quit playing ?

I miss DAoC

  Badaboom

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9/21/12 1:21:00 AM#34
Originally posted by Jackdog
Originally posted by hikaru77
 

It will be even worse after MoP, and i dont like wow. Not even a month and population is droping fast, i wonder why?

my guess would be school starting, and getting over the I have to get 1 more level before bed syndrome that always occurs with a new games release

Like I pointed out all of the top 5 MMOs have dropped by 30 - 50  % since GW2 released. Their numbers have not bounced up with GW2's numbers decline. Did everyone just quit playing ?

It's clear that the game of choice is still gw2 and people are just playing less.

  STDB

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9/21/12 1:57:53 AM#35
Who cares? X-fire is not a reliable source, I'm sure most of the GW2 players (including me) don't even use that website. The GW2 servers are full / high in the afternoon, no changes there. /shrug
  KhinRunite

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9/21/12 2:23:19 AM#36
Originally posted by STDB
Who cares? X-fire is not a reliable source, I'm sure most of the GW2 players (including me) don't even use that website. The GW2 servers are full / high in the afternoon, no changes there. /shrug

The point of the thread is just that. X-Fire numbers. Just take it as it is. XFire users are playing GW2 less and less, but it's still the dominant MMORPG.

I myself don't use X-fire.

  Loke666

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9/21/12 2:30:57 AM#37
Originally posted by NibiruX

clearly xfire population has nothing to do with actual numbers because we know wow has more player than guild wars 2 but at the same time gw2 has more players than wow on xfire so clearly a drop in xfire players does nothing to demonstrate a drop in actual numbers.

Actually, both can be right. GW2 can have a third of Wows western players but still top it on Xfire, it all depends on how much each player plays each day. Xfire logs how many hours the game is played each day from all players.

If each GW2 player plays 4 hours and each Wow player 1 GW2 would top the list anyways.

Then again. you cant compare Xfire ratings between games, it differs a lot how much users of certain games uses it. And it is way more popular in the US than EU.

  Shadoed

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Joined: 10/03/03
Posts: 1485

9/21/12 2:32:35 AM#38
Originally posted by Jackdog
Originally posted by krakra70

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It doesn't matter if the decline is deccelerating or steady. What matters is that there is a decline already (not even 1 month after launch). Successful MMOs usually GROW in numbers for the first few years, then they peak and then they start losing players. 

 

stil have not answered the question. WoW had right at 49K players on Aug 26 2 days before GW2 release, yesterday it had 21K,. SWToR, LoTRO. and Aion are all also pretty much at the same pont they were at GW2's release. If people are abandoning GW2 in droves as you are claiming where are they going ? WoW lost almost 60% of it's XFire numbers with GW2's release and they don't seem to be going back

If you bothered to look at the support forums on X-fire (don't use it, but checked it out), the application stopped working for a lot of players of WoW when the Pandaria patch landed as it didn't recognise the 64bit client and those that couldn't be bothered to manually fix it are just not having hours logged, even those that have still don't have the client working in game apparently. Not some magical drop in players, not some mass migration in one day, simply a technical problem.

That being said, x-fire numbers are crap anyway, whether it is GW2's so called decline or WoW's. Of course GW2 hours played have dropped as people settle into their normal play routines after the initial rush, the same as Pandaria will see an initial boost and then tail off back to the norm again later on, it is just the nature of these things.

It must be Thursday, i never could get the hang of Thursdays.

  sr7olsniper

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Joined: 8/07/09
Posts: 221

9/21/12 2:36:34 AM#39
Originally posted by halflife25
Originally posted by Eir_S
Originally posted by krakra70
Just looking at the chart at http://beta.xfire.com/games/gw2 it's easy to see that gw2's population is shrinking very quickly. And the best is yet to come (MoP).

Best kid's game, maybe.

And you don't have the population statistics for GW2, the only evidence is that people are playing less than they did at launch.  That happens to every MMO.

Are we really gonna fgo down that path again? MOP is for kids and GW2 is for grown ups with its fluffy asura and 'my little pony' pink bows? why can't you people disagree with other people opinion without generalization or labels? seriiously? been playing GW2 for 20 days and i don't see how and what in this game puts us in a position to call MOP a kiddies game. The game is full of kids and pre teens.

Actually you forgot, Stitch from Lilo Stich (azura), Tinker Bell wannabes (Sylvari) and Beasts from Beaty and the beast (Char). NOT to mention the cutscenes were obviously designed by disney, just look at the ending one for the personal story and  you even see the Magical kingdom. Gotta love the hipocresy of the GW2 crowd. 

At least with a sub game they know that people won't tolerate bullshit and leave. With anet we have no recourse but to buy our own lube so our assholes don't get too stretched out from getting bent over a table at Anets will. - Hrimnir

  Loke666

Elite Member

Joined: 10/29/07
Posts: 16835

9/21/12 3:11:52 AM#40
Originally posted by sr7olsniper

Actually you forgot, Stitch from Lilo Stich (azura), Tinker Bell wannabes (Sylvari) and Beasts from Beaty and the beast (Char). NOT to mention the cutscenes were obviously designed by disney, just look at the ending one for the personal story and  you even see the Magical kingdom. Gotta love the hipocresy of the GW2 crowd. 

We can at least spell.

But the MOP attack was over the top, all fantasy MMOs have silly parts.

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